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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirensong wrote:
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I think a pass rushing LDE is quietly the biggest need on this team. Guard and penetrating DT is definitely up there as well. SLB is also a huge need.

1. LDE
2. OG
3. UT
4. SLB
5. N-CB
6. Receiving TE
pass rushing LDE and pass rushing UT are on in the same IMO. I don't separate them. The ideal for LDE or UT is Sheldon Richardson IMO.


I agree but I would like to fill both positions not just one. There's 2 holes on the line in my opinion as Red needs a reduced role at best and may need to be out of a job with how last season went.

Personally I still want to see Jason Jones get a shot playing LDE full time.
i don't see either Mebane or Branch as a hole at DT. Both do exactly what we need on base downs. What we need is a guy who can play UT on passing downs. Seeing as how are LE will always be replaced by Irvin on passing downs, that just means we need a pass rushing LE/UT hybrid.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably the most overrated need for the Seahawks is pass rush. People keep repeating that need and i just don't get it. Look at the last two games. Completely dominated by the opponents running game. Ask any defense what the primary goal is and its always to stop the run game first. Make the team one dimensional. Thats one thing the Seahawks have had a problem with all season long.

If your secondary is suspect then you need great pass rushers to cover that up. Seahawks have played extremely well even when their pass rush was producing nothing. Inconsistent run defense is the only thing holding the Seahawks back, imo.
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Probably the most overrated need for the Seahawks is pass rush. People keep repeating that need and i just don't get it. Look at the last two games. Completely dominated by the opponents running game. Ask any defense what the primary goal is and its always to stop the run game first. Make the team one dimensional. Thats one thing the Seahawks have had a problem with all season long.

If your secondary is suspect then you need great pass rushers to cover that up. Seahawks have played extremely well even when their pass rush was producing nothing. Inconsistent run defense is the only thing holding the Seahawks back, imo.


Matt Ryan and RG3 were able to pick apart and put points on the board with ease. Injuries to Jason Jones and Chris Clemons also highlighted the need to have more starting quality pass rushers on the roster as well. More pass rushers gets offenses off the field on third downs.

The run stopping issues should improve with Dan Quinn taking control of the trench and our LB's having a year under their belt. A lot of big runs in the playoffs came from bad LB play.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Probably the most overrated need for the Seahawks is pass rush. People keep repeating that need and i just don't get it. Look at the last two games. Completely dominated by the opponents running game. Ask any defense what the primary goal is and its always to stop the run game first. Make the team one dimensional. Thats one thing the Seahawks have had a problem with all season long.

If your secondary is suspect then you need great pass rushers to cover that up. Seahawks have played extremely well even when their pass rush was producing nothing. Inconsistent run defense is the only thing holding the Seahawks back, imo.


Matt Ryan and RG3 were able to pick apart and put points on the board with ease...

So did you ask yourself why they were so successful throwing the ball? As always, a dominant run game sets up the passing attack, and thats exactly what happened in both games. Both teams were averaging about 7 yards per carry in the first half.

Again, ask any defense what their number one goal is and its to stop the run. And they are not saying that because they don't care about the QB throwing it. Get more pass rush specialists without improving run defense and the Seahawks will not improve upon last year.
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As I said, our D-Line issues should be fixed by Dan Quinn (who got Big Red his contract) and our LB have one more years worth of experience D.

Our 3rd down issues came down to a lack of a pass rush and a useless mid-field defense. Our young LB got older, but we still need pash rushers to hit the QB. We had Chris Clemons and a raw Bruce Irvin this season. We also had Big Red playing injured and no real depth behind him besides Jason Jones and a 7th round rookie (Greg Scruggs)

We have a definite starting DT in Alan Branch, we don't have a definite starting UT on 3rd downs. Pete's D is all about role players and we don't have a ton of pass rushers, unlike run stoppers.
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Probably the most overrated need for the Seahawks is pass rush. People keep repeating that need and i just don't get it. Look at the last two games. Completely dominated by the opponents running game. Ask any defense what the primary goal is and its always to stop the run game first. Make the team one dimensional. Thats one thing the Seahawks have had a problem with all season long.

If your secondary is suspect then you need great pass rushers to cover that up. Seahawks have played extremely well even when their pass rush was producing nothing. Inconsistent run defense is the only thing holding the Seahawks back, imo.


Matt Ryan and RG3 were able to pick apart and put points on the board with ease...

So did you ask yourself why they were so successful throwing the ball? As always, a dominant run game sets up the passing attack, and thats exactly what happened in both games. Both teams were averaging about 7 yards per carry in the first half.

Again, ask any defense what their number one goal is and its to stop the run. And they are not saying that because they don't care about the QB throwing it. Get more pass rush specialists without improving run defense and the Seahawks will not improve upon last year.
We had no pass rush all year.

We had an intermittently good run game.

At least one showed signs of being successful, our pass rush never was.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
silus wrote:
Tooki wrote:
silus wrote:
Probably the most overrated need for the Seahawks is pass rush. People keep repeating that need and i just don't get it. Look at the last two games. Completely dominated by the opponents running game. Ask any defense what the primary goal is and its always to stop the run game first. Make the team one dimensional. Thats one thing the Seahawks have had a problem with all season long.

If your secondary is suspect then you need great pass rushers to cover that up. Seahawks have played extremely well even when their pass rush was producing nothing. Inconsistent run defense is the only thing holding the Seahawks back, imo.


Matt Ryan and RG3 were able to pick apart and put points on the board with ease...

So did you ask yourself why they were so successful throwing the ball? As always, a dominant run game sets up the passing attack, and thats exactly what happened in both games. Both teams were averaging about 7 yards per carry in the first half.

Again, ask any defense what their number one goal is and its to stop the run. And they are not saying that because they don't care about the QB throwing it. Get more pass rush specialists without improving run defense and the Seahawks will not improve upon last year.
We had no pass rush all year.

We had an intermittently good run game.

At least one showed signs of being successful, our pass rush never was.

If you could go back and wish for better run defense or pass rush for the final two games, I think its obvious what would be the priority.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete himself said that he is going to target the pass rush in the upcoming draft. That says enough...

To finish the topic, a lot of our run defense issues came down to gap assignments and incorrectly read plays. Our pass rush issues came down to a lack of personnel.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tooki wrote:
Pete himself said that he is going to target the pass rush in the upcoming draft. That says enough...

To finish the topic, a lot of our run defense issues came down to gap assignments and incorrectly read plays. Our pass rush issues came down to a lack of personnel.

The statistics don't support that. Over the final ten weeks of the regular season and two playoff games the Seattle Seahawks defense allowed 5.2 yards per carry. The Seahawks had to make comebacks in both playoff games because they could not stop the run. Nothing to do with pass rush.
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silus wrote:
Tooki wrote:
Pete himself said that he is going to target the pass rush in the upcoming draft. That says enough...

To finish the topic, a lot of our run defense issues came down to gap assignments and incorrectly read plays. Our pass rush issues came down to a lack of personnel.

The statistics don't support that. Over the final ten weeks of the regular season and two playoff games the Seattle Seahawks defense allowed 5.2 yards per carry. The Seahawks had to make comebacks in both playoff games because they could not stop the run. Nothing to do with pass rush.


I am aware of that. I also watched every game and saw a ton of runs get large gains up the middle because Bobby Wagner either hit the wrong gap or he got eliminated completely by the blocker. The Heater used to swallow up those plays and prevent big gains. I also remember some runs that went outside the hashes where (mostly Leroy Hill) took the wrong angle and the RB was able to bounce outside and get a big gain.

Teams realised that our D had LB's who struggled to get off a block, a rookie LB who also struggled at times with gap recognition and a squad who over-pursued plays in general. Whenever a team decided to pull an OG or run a counter play, there was a decent gain because somebody would shoot their gap or not stick to their gap in the hope to make a big play. Our D also cannot tackle to save themselves and a TFL often became a positive gain. These are all issues that can be solved by coaching and ageing.

In regards to the pass rush, we had Chris Clemons and that was it in the base package. He is a stud but he isn't a HOF DE and he got eliminated by the double team. If we had a player who could rush the passer from the 5-tech and the interior on passing downs, the team would have a better shot at stopping the play and getting off the field.
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I'm prolly going to catch some heat for this but

1) UT: Hopefully get a resemblance of a pass rush in the middle. Mebane and Branch are good 1's, but they don't generate pressure.
2) Elephant: Big Red was great against the run in 2011, but not so much this past year. I think that it's mainly due to his injury, but we'll see how that plays out. We need depth there, and a backup who can rush the passer more-so then Red. Pretty much, just like last year with the dangers of potentially losing Clemons, we need a backup. This could be the elephant version of Bruce
3)Nickel: We got burned in the slot. Can Maxwell, Lane, or a potentially healthy Thurmond manage the slot? Probably one of them, but we need to draft someone else just in case.
4-Tie)WR: Much like Elephant, we're screwed if any of our 3 go down.
4 Tie) TE: If we lose Miller, we're screwed. We have Mccoy as a number 1 which isn't the worst, but it's not great. And then we have Evan Moore as a number 2...no thanks
5) WLB: Maybe this should be higher up, but a WLB to replace Hill. We don't have anyone past Malcom Smith, and the jury is still out on him.
6) Guards: I'm sure people are questioning why the hell guards are this low, but it's because at the other positions, I feel like we potentially don't have guys on the roster who can be the long term answer. I feel more confident that we might have our guards already on the roster. Some combo of Sweezy, Carp, and Moffit could be the long term answer. And drafting another one would likely mean scrapping one of these 3, who have potential. In comparison to WLB, we only have Malcom Smith
7) Leo: Just a depth player/project for potential future.
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I'm prolly going to catch some heat for this but

1) UT: Hopefully get a resemblance of a pass rush in the middle. Mebane and Branch are good 1's, but they don't generate pressure.
2) Elephant: Big Red was great against the run in 2011, but not so much this past year. I think that it's mainly due to his injury, but we'll see how that plays out. We need depth there, and a backup who can rush the passer more-so then Red. Pretty much, just like last year with the dangers of potentially losing Clemons, we need a backup. This could be the elephant version of Bruce
3)Nickel: We got burned in the slot. Can Maxwell, Lane, or a potentially healthy Thurmond manage the slot? Probably one of them, but we need to draft someone else just in case.
4-Tie)WR: Much like Elephant, we're screwed if any of our 3 go down.
4 Tie) TE: If we lose Miller, we're screwed. We have Mccoy as a number 1 which isn't the worst, but it's not great. And then we have Evan Moore as a number 2...no thanks
5) WLB: Maybe this should be higher up, but a WLB to replace Hill. We don't have anyone past Malcom Smith, and the jury is still out on him.
6) Guards: I'm sure people are questioning why the hell guards are this low, but it's because at the other positions, I feel like we potentially don't have guys on the roster who can be the long term answer. I feel more confident that we might have our guards already on the roster. Some combo of Sweezy, Carp, and Moffit could be the long term answer. And drafting another one would likely mean scrapping one of these 3, who have potential. In comparison to WLB, we only have Malcom Smith
7) Leo: Just a depth player/project for potential future.


Guard and WLB should be higher, and Evan Moore is no longer on this team. Smile
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bill21792 wrote:
I'm prolly going to catch some heat for this but

1) UT: Hopefully get a resemblance of a pass rush in the middle. Mebane and Branch are good 1's, but they don't generate pressure.
2) Elephant: Big Red was great against the run in 2011, but not so much this past year. I think that it's mainly due to his injury, but we'll see how that plays out. We need depth there, and a backup who can rush the passer more-so then Red. Pretty much, just like last year with the dangers of potentially losing Clemons, we need a backup. This could be the elephant version of Bruce
3)Nickel: We got burned in the slot. Can Maxwell, Lane, or a potentially healthy Thurmond manage the slot? Probably one of them, but we need to draft someone else just in case.
4-Tie)WR: Much like Elephant, we're screwed if any of our 3 go down.
4 Tie) TE: If we lose Miller, we're screwed. We have Mccoy as a number 1 which isn't the worst, but it's not great. And then we have Evan Moore as a number 2...no thanks
5) WLB: Maybe this should be higher up, but a WLB to replace Hill. We don't have anyone past Malcom Smith, and the jury is still out on him.
6) Guards: I'm sure people are questioning why the hell guards are this low, but it's because at the other positions, I feel like we potentially don't have guys on the roster who can be the long term answer. I feel more confident that we might have our guards already on the roster. Some combo of Sweezy, Carp, and Moffit could be the long term answer. And drafting another one would likely mean scrapping one of these 3, who have potential. In comparison to WLB, we only have Malcom Smith
7) Leo: Just a depth player/project for potential future.


Guard and WLB should be higher, and Evan Moore is no longer on this team. Smile


Yeah, I was thinking that about the WLB for sure. I wouldn't mind ranking them above the WR and TE's. Not sure about Guard. I feel like our 2013 guard situation is pretty similar to our 2012 WR position. It's a 'weak' or 'unproven' position on the team. But we have a lot of young guys who could already be the answer. So, in order to decide who best fits the teams future, we may need to let the log jam settle itself out kind of like WR.

We didn't get a WR last year because we thought that we might have a solid core already (and we apparently didn't like last years draftees). It was really unproven, but had potential. If Deon Butler, Mike Williams, and Ricardo Lockette worked out to their potential(like Golden Tate), we wouldn't be sitting here today saying that WR is an immediate need. We would be pretty deep at the position actually. If the guards we have right now work out, then we actually have good depth without draft picks.
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