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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:49 pm    Post subject: Daintrain28's Mock Offseason v.2013.17.0 Reply with quote

Scenario:
~We are awarded a 4th round compensatory pick for Matt Flynn

Released/Not resigned/Retired:
~Greg Jennings: Tagged and traded to the Miami Dolphins for a 2nd Round pick (#42)
~Cedric Benson
~Jeff Saturday

Resigned:
~Evan Dietrich Smith


~Sam Shields


~Erik Walden


~Tom Crabtree


Free Agency:
~Steven Jackson RB St. Louis Rams


I just think there is gonna be so much value for Jackson. I am anticipating teams overlooking him for his age. It reminds me of the Patriots trading for Corey Dillon in 2004. He’s a talented RB stuck on a bad team, and he would do wonders for our team. He would force teams to respect the run and not sit in two deep Safety shell. Plus we know TT has tried to trade for Jackson on several previous occasions. Now that he’s a FA, I’m thinking TT might make a play.

I think he will be cheap, and I think he may be the missing piece.

The Draft:
With the 26th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Barrett Jones C/G/T Alabama
6’5” 311 lbs. 5.10/40


Green Bay needs to address the OL position BADLY. We cannot run the ball to save our souls and Aaron Rodgers takes so many hits, I am afraid he is headed for early retirement. We need to invest in some guys who can bring some physicality to our OL.

Jones can play all five positions along our OL. That might be his biggest asset, but almost everyone agrees he could be all world at C. In addition to being athletic, quick, and strong he is as smart as a whip.

The C needs intelligence in order to make line calls, and that is Jones’ strong point. He is brilliant. Graduated early with a master’s degree in accounting and a 4.0.

I think this guy could fill in up and down our OL and would fix many problms making our weakest point the strongest.

With the 42nd pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Zach Ertz TE Stanford
6’6.” 249 lbs. 4.61/40


Complete TE that many think is the best TE in the country. Used at Stanford like we use Finley in GB. He often splits out wide and runs routes like a WR. He also has incredible leaping ability and this makes him dangerous in the red zone. Creates quite the duo with Finley before taking over the starting gig down the road.

With the 58th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Phillip Thomas S Fresno State
6’0” 210 lbs. 4.60/40


Thomas fits the Packers like a glove. Ball-hawking DB who is a natural at FS. Great prospect to take over for Woodson down the road.

With the 90th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech
6’2” 195 lbs. 4.58/40


Big-time playmaker overlooked because he is on a bad team. Despite being one of the few weapons La Tech has, Patton put up monster numbers. He is a steal and fits the mold of what we look for at WR. Tall, elusive, and puts up big YAC. Should be a good find for our offense this late.

With the 126th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
A.J. Klein ILB Iowa State
6'2" 244 lbs. 4.71/40


Great article in the Journal-Sentinnel today about how AJ Klein might be the perfect fit for stopping the read option and pistol offense. He's smart, athletic, fast and most importantly diagnosis and reacts to plays well.

Another added bonus is he grew up in Kimberly, Wisconsin. But the fact he offers a way to stop the mobile QB is what makes him such an attractive prospect at this spot.

With the 134th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Kwame Geathers DT Georgia
6’6” 350 lbs. 5.40/40


If it weren’t for the fact he played on arguably the best defense in the country last year, Geathers would have been a starter. Still made a ton of plays, and would have been the starting NT for Georgia this year for sure, but came out a year early for the NFL. Bad for him, but good for us. There is a ton of value here for this guy, and he should develop great for us on the bench for 1-2 years.

With the 164th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Darius Slay CB Mississippi State
6’1” 190 lbs. 4.53/40


Great value this late. Slay fits the classic TT CB, tall, long armed, and fast. Overshadowed by Jonathan Banks, but put up a solid season in his own right. Should give us some more help in our secondary.

With the 182nd pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Jasper Collins WR Mount Union
6'0" 190 lbs. 4.52/40


Crafty small school prospect who put up big numbers against Division III talent. Collins main addition to this team as a return specialist, to allow Randall Cobb to focus solely on the offense.

With the 210th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Dustin Hopkins K Florida State
6’2” 190 lbs.


Consistent 75% FG kicker in college has hit beyond 50 yards several times throughout his career. A good prospect to challenge Crosby for his starting job.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did we just become best friends?!!

You hit my pre-draft spot on. Stephen Jackson makes so much sense. Drafted my preferred man in the 1st. A great value pick in Ertz that pushes 2-3 TEs off the roster and gives us an upgrade weapon, and could start the following year if we choose. Then you got a safety to add depth year one and start year two. My crush at WR in Patton--who looks to like a WR and not those athletes that catch the ball around college level talent. Klein is blue collar smart and again makes 2-3 other players obsolete. Geathers gives reps that may not be splash plays but wear the opposition down for the penetrators. Slay is a great TT corner who can develop here. You got Cobb off special teams. And you pushed Crosby to out in his best pro season. Boom. Bishop, Perry, Worthy get healthy. Super Bowl.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like this one at large!

I for one love the Jackson idea if the money works. I might be willing to pay him more than some as well. Jackson is the type of RB Harris would combo with well also. Everything about Jackson "the man" works as well. Sure would be nice seeing a guy like that go out on top. Even more so if it played out that way with one of the teams I hold close to my heart.

I have a value issue with Jones at 26 anyway, but even more so if you pay EDS. That said, I like the Jones idea a good bit more than the Fluker idea. The value is less than ideal but Jones is very "safe" and a damn fine football player. I would throw a value flag if they gave EDS a new contract and view it as a push pick if they did not sign him. As I have said before I view Jones as a Max Unger clone and I view that as his board slot as well. I just have a hard time drafting a center in round1 that grades out less than elite. Jones would slide a bit on my board in Green Bay if only because they have two young sound guards under contract long term. That all said, no player in this draft class feels more like a Packer than Jones!

I'm not a huge fan of Ertz in fit. But at some point the value river will meet that road on draft day. That's just about the area I could start to see value here also. If nothing else, Ertz would be the best of this TE class at being able to expose that deep safety shell cover-2 the Packers seen week in and week out last year.

As I have said before, I have no issue with Thomas at fit as long as he runs well enough. That's a safety that needs to run well on paper for his game to play well at the next level though IMO.

Love Patton in Green Bay!

As I said in your last mock, Klein works as long as the board works. At the very least you have a great ST's body right there. Hard not to respect the way that kid gets after it though.

Geathers in not on my board.

Slay is worth a look. Man got tested with Banks on the other side and held his own. His set is in line with Bush as well and could fill that gig down the road. Nice eye on that one Dain!

Could not use a pick on the last two.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I feel outdone today. Laughing Great Mock. Can't complain with any of this. If anything were to push us over the top, this is probably it. Obviously a bit of a wet dream, but either way, was fun to read. That's the biggest thing for me with these mocks. Many on this site are quite overcritical with draft positioning. Most would have never seen us getting both Perry and Worthy last year either. It's optimistic, but not completely unrealistic.

Loved it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

man, if we got Patton at 90 I'd be stoked. Think he'll be gone in the first 60 picks though.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

incognito_man wrote:
man, if we got Patton at 90 I'd be stoked. Think he'll be gone in the first 60 picks though.


Patton is one of those kids that will look the best for GM's just after All Star games. The WR's that run well are about to get their turn. How that all goes will set Patton's board. More times than not I'm on the side of drafting the "player" though. In that, I might be a little higher on Patton than some will be post workouts. Should he be there? Probably not! But there is good reason to think he could be at this stage in the process.

Think Chad Johnson with a little less speed and a lot less mouth!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmy50 wrote:
Could not use a pick on the last two.


I appreciate all the kind words, and I understand why you do not like Hopkins and feel we can agree to disagree. But why do you not like Jasper Collins? Development WR who put up huge production in college and can return punts in the meantime? I dunno looks alright to me.
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Jenning will not get tagged IMO but if you are right then you need to make more roster moves to free up enough money. Tagging Jennings means you will need to cut Charles Woodson and maybe even Hawk - and restructure Finley.

I am not a big fan of drafting a safety in the 2nd. I will be surprised if Kein falls that far though I love the pick. I like picking up a kicker because I think Crosby has proven to be too unreliable, but MM seems to have complete faith in him so who knows if the Packers will pull that trigger. Barret Jones is the perfect fit because he can play multiple positions and the Packers need to get stonger up the middle. Good job though the math doesn't add up during free agency season.
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"like" this mock and everything said.
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ChaRisMa wrote:
Did we just become best friends?!!

You hit my pre-draft spot on. Stephen Jackson makes so much sense. Drafted my preferred man in the 1st. A great value pick in Ertz that pushes 2-3 TEs off the roster and gives us an upgrade weapon, and could start the following year if we choose. Then you got a safety to add depth year one and start year two. My crush at WR in Patton--who looks to like a WR and not those athletes that catch the ball around college level talent. Klein is blue collar smart and again makes 2-3 other players obsolete. Geathers gives reps that may not be splash plays but wear the opposition down for the penetrators. Slay is a great TT corner who can develop here. You got Cobb off special teams. And you pushed Crosby to out in his best pro season. Boom. Bishop, Perry, Worthy get healthy. Super Bowl.


~Well, thank you! Like I said most of my mocks are more to learn about prospects, and not meant to be necessarily what I am thinking, however, after the disaster that was my last mock, I made this one that was more in line with what I am thinking the Packers should do.
~I agree with you on all accounts, and I also think that even if the draft goes differently, we were darn close to another SB even with all the injuries. Just getting Bulaga, Bishop, Perry and Worthy back could be enough to hoist another Lombardi.
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palmy50 wrote:
I for one love the Jackson idea if the money works. I might be willing to pay him more than some as well. Jackson is the type of RB Harris would combo with well also. Everything about Jackson "the man" works as well. Sure would be nice seeing a guy like that go out on top. Even more so if it played out that way with one of the teams I hold close to my heart.


Ya, I'm usually against this kinda "big splash" in FA, but as I've said before, I think Steven Jackson could be the missing piece, I really do. Teams will sit in two deep shell, and then Jackson will gouge them. They bring a Safety or two in the box and Rodgers picks them apart. For 1-2 years this might take our elite offense and make it legendary.

palmy50 wrote:
I have a value issue with Jones at 26 anyway, but even more so if you pay EDS. That said, I like the Jones idea a good bit more than the Fluker idea. The value is less than ideal but Jones is very "safe" and a damn fine football player. I would throw a value flag if they gave EDS a new contract and view it as a push pick if they did not sign him. As I have said before I view Jones as a Max Unger clone and I view that as his board slot as well. I just have a hard time drafting a center in round1 that grades out less than elite. Jones would slide a bit on my board in Green Bay if only because they have two young sound guards under contract long term. That all said, no player in this draft class feels more like a Packer than Jones!


Am I that far off base saying Jones is not elite? In addition to having rare strength and athleticism for a C prospect, the guy is brilliant, which is one of the most important aspects of playing C. You mentioned him being a clone of Max Unger, I seem to remember ppl saying Unger was one of the best C prospects to come around in awhile.

The other thing that ups the value for Jones is if Sherrod has another injury Jones can fill in at LT and with a little development be an upgrade over Newhouse.

I'm looking for players that can be difference makers, I really only see two possibilities, Jones and Lacy.

palmy50 wrote:
I'm not a huge fan of Ertz in fit. But at some point the value river will meet that road on draft day. That's just about the area I could start to see value here also. If nothing else, Ertz would be the best of this TE class at being able to expose that deep safety shell cover-2 the Packers seen week in and week out last year.


Can you elaborate more? I was under the impression that Ertz fit our scheme perfectly - as does Tyler Eifert.

palmy50 wrote:
As I have said before, I have no issue with Thomas at fit as long as he runs well enough. That's a safety that needs to run well on paper for his game to play well at the next level though IMO.


Here's where I do not have issues with Thomas, the guy led the nation in INTs from the FS position. You have to be fast in order to do that, I know sometimes stats lie, but in this case it makes me think even if his 40 time isn't there, he must play fast enough.

palmy50 wrote:
As I said in your last mock, Klein works as long as the board works. At the very least you have a great ST's body right there. Hard not to respect the way that kid gets after it though.


Here's the biggest question I have for you. Do you agree with - or are you open to - the JS article that identified Klein as a player teams might target to stop the read option or the pistol offense? The article pointed to in addition to his smarts and work ethic, he's athletic, fast and diagnosis plays and reacts very quickly. Honestly, I had taken him out of my mock until I read that.

Ppl have soured on AJ Hawk, and for the most part it's because as the #5 overall pick you expect him to be Ray Lewis. I've always supported him because even though he's not great, he's played sold. However, against the read option and pistol offense, Hawk looks slow and indecisive. Klein is a guy who in Round 4 could be an upgrade over our current starter and that's a rare feat in Round 4.

What do you think?

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Geathers in not on my board.


Can I ask why?
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gizmo2012 wrote:
Jenning will not get tagged IMO but if you are right then you need to make more roster moves to free up enough money. Tagging Jennings means you will need to cut Charles Woodson and maybe even Hawk - and restructure Finley.


Do I have to go in that much detail? I am not a capologist, I'm sure there are ways this can be done however. I just have a hard time believing TT would walk away from a free 2nd Round pick.

gizmo2012 wrote:
I am not a big fan of drafting a safety in the 2nd. I will be surprised if Kein falls that far though I love the pick. I like picking up a kicker because I think Crosby has proven to be too unreliable, but MM seems to have complete faith in him so who knows if the Packers will pull that trigger. Barret Jones is the perfect fit because he can play multiple positions and the Packers need to get stonger up the middle. Good job though the math doesn't add up during free agency season.


~I don't think TT looks at a pick and says "well, we can't take a player here because he plays this or that position." Thomas very well could be the BPA at this spot.
~Why do you think Klein won't be there in Round 4? He's currently listed as a Rounds 5-7 prospect. I bumped him up to the end of Round 4. Seems like a good fit to me.
~I agree with you about Jones. Rodgers takes too many hits it is time to upgrade our OL, starting with a wicked smart, talented C who could be all world 1-2 years down the road.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome mock. I would be incredibly happy if this were to actually happen.

Only things I'm not crazy about is Phillip Thomas in the 3rd and retaining Erik Walden.
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2Bigby0 wrote:
Awesome mock. I would be incredibly happy if this were to actually happen.

Only things I'm not crazy about is Phillip Thomas in the 3rd and retaining Erik Walden.


~Why aren't you crazy about Phillip Thomas (BTW, he'd be our second 2nd Round pick).
~Walden is retained as a backup. I'm not crazy about #93 starting, but he is a crazy good backup.
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