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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:34 pm    Post subject: KK's 2013 Baltimore Ravens Pre-Combine Mock/Off-Season Reply with quote

Hey, everyone is doing it. Why not?

Let me shout out all my fellow draft experts to come and show the slightest of love Wink -- YES, I'm talking to YOU....

diamondbull424
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(any many more)

Who's back?
Joe Flacco re-signed to 6 yr. deal.
Ed Reed re-signed to 2 yr. deal.
Bryant McKinne re-signed to a 1 yr. deal
Dannell Ellerbe re-signed 4 yr. deal
Anquan Boldin restructures contract.
Terrell Suggs restructures contract.
Vonta Leach restructures contract.

Who's saying bye?
Jacoby Jones (cap casualty) Crying or Very sad - signs w/MIA
Paul Kruger - signs w/CLE
Cary Williams - signs w/TB
Matt Birk - retires


WHO'S SAYING HELLO?
- Ravens sign LB Rey Maualuga to a cheap 2 yr. deal (I talked down on him but I do see a scenario where he could come on a deal similar to what we signed Pollard 2 years ago. He's only 26 and like others stated, the 4-3 isn't really his fit. Maybe he can flourish under a 3-4 scheme. He'll start next to Ellerbe, with McClain rotating in.)


TRADE
Baltimore trades their 1st round selection (#32) to Tampa Bay for their 2nd (#43), 4th (#109), and 4th (#123) round selections.
Reasoning: Tampa makes sure they move up on day 1 to get the best TE in the class (Zach Ertz - Stanford). Just another classic case of Ozzie doing what he does best. Hacking the system to its finest!

Round 2, via TB (pick #43)
DEANDRE HOPKINS- WR - Clemson - 6'0 - 205

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STRENGTHS: Presents good height and length for an outside receiver, also has some lower-body strength for explosion off the line of scrimmage and in his cuts. Solid route-runner used in the short, intermediate, and deep games, who has flexibility to avoid corners in zone and the quick feet to separate on hitches, comebacks, and other cuts. Does a nice job creating separation and deceiving defensive backs with head fakes and quick moves. Will threaten the top of defenses with NFL-quality straight-line speed. Possesses strong hands in traffic, not afraid of contact downfield and can separate at the last second with an arm extension. Agile enough to quickly avoid oncoming defenders after the catch yet remain balanced to head downfield for the big gain. Does not go down without a fight, can run through arm tackle attempts from cornerbacks. Snatches throws with his hands, even those within his frame. Concentrates on the ball throughout difficult catches and extends his long arms to make a big radius. Sells double-moves well with a head fake and body lean. Very good body control to contort his body on catches and pluck the ball out of the air, keep one foot in-bounds on the sideline. Effective run blocker, usually reaches his target and gets his hands up, uses correct blocking angle to sustain; also shows some nastiness at times, capable of putting his man to the ground. Consistently productive over his time at Clemson, improving his stats each season

Reasoning: I see the team becoming a gun (let Flacco do his thing) type team -- where we spread everyone out and Flacco just goes HAM. Basically, we're going to become the next Green Bay (but only better). There isn't no clear cut #1 receiver in this draft like in years past as a AJ Green/Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson. Saying that, there are 3 guys I think that have the potential to get that good -- Allen, Patterson, and Hopkins. Everyone should know about my man crush on Nuke Hopkins. With Jones gone and Anquan starting to age, the Ravens take advantage of getting an explosive down field weapon that has the skill set to play the slot or the outside.
NFL Comparison: (a faster version) Roddy White
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13cTixvMEos


TRADE
Baltimore leap frogs Pittsburgh - trades 2nd (#62) and both 4th round picks from Tampa (#109 & #123) to Dallas for their 2nd (#47)
Reasoning: Uh oh...there is a NT that is surprisingly falling. Baltimore feels Pittsburgh are interested in taking him with the 48th selection. Ozzie gets on the phone and works magic with Dallas and moves up 15 spots to take.............


Round 2, via DAL (pick #47)
JESSE WILLIAMS- NT - Alabama - 6'4 - 320

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STRENGTHS Brute nose tackle (though he plays some five-technique) with a very good motor. Solid two-gap player who keeps his eyes in the backfield to find the ball. Plays with leverage, gets under the pads of his man to hold the line or push him into the backfield. Has enough quickness and power off the snap to pop off his blocker and grab backs heading outside or coming through the middle. Uses quick hands to swipe aside lunging blockers to penetrate into the backfield. Stays upright against cut blocks and gives second effort to get up when on the ground. Gets low with power in short-yardage situations. Also hustles to the sideline to chase scrambling quarterbacks and stretch plays when fresh. Pushes the pocket a bit as a pass rusher, and will work past lesser blockersí shoulders into the backfield. Cleans up piles, sending linebackers flying.

Reasoning: BAM-A! Miraculous, Jesse Williams starts to fall for some odd reason (not to mention he's an Ozzie sweetheart with the Alabama connection) The guy takes over for Kemo and provides instant competition for Cody. Ozzie clearly said, the middle of the defense is what he's going to address -- and it all starts with the NT position. Jesse Williams is a 2 down run stuffer and an underrated interior pass rusher (Watch the tape vs. LSU/Arkansas below). Exactly the type of guy we need and to push Cody's potential out of him (if he has any). Now we have a great 2 man rotational set at NT with Cody and Williams.
NFL Comparison: Randy Starks
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBbTLxLiicA


Round 3, (pick #94)
DAVID AMERSON- CB/FS - N.C. State - 6'3 - 194

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STRENGTHS Possesses size, physicality and athleticism to be a starting NFL defensive back. Very confident, attacks aggressively down hill, both in jumping routes, and in defending the run. Receiver-like ball skills allow him to high-point passes on jump balls and make quarterbacks pay for trying to fit a ball between levels of zone coverage. Also adjusts well to low and wide throws despite his size. Flashes agility. Will pop receivers to dislodge the ball and running backs coming to his side of the field. Wrap-up tackler, closes quickly to the ball when attacking receivers in off-coverage and against east-west runs. Works through receiver blocks in the run game with strong hands and quickness.

Reasoning: Some people may not like this pick, but it makes much sense. I see Amerson as BPA here. The guy is just a turnover machine. He dominated the ACC in 2011 and DB's such as Terrell Buckley, Charles Woodson, Eric Berry, Sean Taylor, and Patrick Peterson (to name a few) didn't match his turnover production in '11. He didn't do as well in '12, but he is definitely a turn over machine and one of the most intriguing prospects in this class. With us, I see him playing FS. If that doesn't pan out, with Cary Williams gone, that big body presence opposite Webb isn't really there (maybe Graham - hopefully Jimmy Smith evolves) but either way, he's going to be a great football player at the next level and an excellent pick up at the end of the 3rd round.
NFL Comparison: Sean Smith
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbcWTBYdMMU


Round 4, (pick #126)
TERRON ARMSTEAD- LT - Arkansas Pine-Bluff - 6'5 - 304

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STRENGTHS Armstead is a fantastic athlete for the position. He is light on his feet in pass protection, and nimble when on the move. Agile, moves well in space, shows the quickness to get to the second level and cut off linebackers. Has been asked to pull all the way across the line and has shown effectiveness in doing so. Bends and redirects well. Extends his arms to keep pass rushers at bay. Not overwhelmed by defensive twists and stunts. Does a good job of selling play fakes, draws, and screens.

Reasoning: There are only a few left tackle potential prospects I like in the late portion of the draft. My favorite is Terron Armstead. Small school kid, that flourished at Senior Bowl and East-West shrine game. He has great athleticism for a big man and polished feet. He can get stronger but he dominated his competition in college. If you watch the tape below, you'll fall in love.
NFL Comparison: Duane Brown
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3D6tAJCiUs


Round 4, Comp. pick
QUANTERUS SMITH- DE/OLB - Western Kentucky - 6'5 - 251

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STRENGTHS Possesses the length pro coaches love to see on their defense. Flashes the explosion off the snap as an edge rusher to beat most college tackles to the back of the pocket. Agile enough to contain on the edge and move in space when asked to drop, as well as the motor to hustle down the line and fight to the quarterback until the ball is away. Plays the weak and strong sides of the formation, using extension and a bit more lower body strength than expected given his size to hold his own against right tackles. Hand use greatly improved between junior and senior seasons. Now possesses active, disruptive hands, constantly fighting for inside position and waxing blockersí hands off his body. Has the flexibility to dip his shoulder and reduce his surface area coming around the edge. Creative pass rusher who understands the art of the slow rush. Gets the offensive tackle to over-commit, then beats him with a rip to the outside or swim to the inside. Makes plays on coverage units as an interior presence.

Reasoning: The Sun Belt conference has produced some great pass rushers over the years (Osi and Ware to name a few). I'm not trying to say he's anything similar but he has great upside. He tore his ACL in 2012 but through 10 games he was on a roll -- leading the nation in sacks with 12.5. If he can check in medically, the risk-reward here is definitely a chance to take.
NFL Comparison: Von Miller
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWCAavZMJBY


Round 5, (pick #158)
JOHN LOTULELEI- OLB - UNLV - 5'11 - 236

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STRENGTHS Lotulelei is a thick outside linebacker who possesses enough quickness to avoid offensive linemen and closing speed to attack stretch plays on the other side of the line. Heís an aggressive tackler who can explode into ballcarriers; he also takes out fullbacks and pulling guards in the hole like a hammer. Lotulelei low center of gravity and upper-body strength allows him to punch to shed and play with leverage inside, and he has the instincts and vision to find the ball in traffic. His hustle and solid tackling should allow him to succeed on the interior of special teams coverage units.

Reasoning: John is the brother of future top 3 pick Star Lotuelelei. He is an undersized linebacker that dominated the competition while he was in Mecred college. Transfered to UNLV and did pretty solid. From the tape he has good insticnts, fast, and seems to be very fluid in change of direction. Double dipping on pass rushers just in case the great potential of Quanterus Smith doesn't pan out.
NFL Comparison: (Poor mans) Courntey Upshaw
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT9ZwJMPVCI


Round 5, Comp. pick
KHALED HOLMES- C - USC - 6'4 - 305

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STRENGTHS Tenacious player who gets after any defensive lineman in his path Ė and teammates who arenít getting the job done. Sustains blocks through the whistle and takes his man backwards and drives them to the ground regularly. Quick feet for his size, can reach second-level targets or get out in front of screens. Hustles to help either guard, or both on the same play, when uncovered. Good mover on zone plays. Uses his hands and bulk to move his man out of the hole. Usually anchors even when his man gets his hands up quickly after the snap. Good student, has already graduated with a double major of classics and communication.

Reasoning: I know many here aren't big fans of Khaled Holmes. Neither am I, but at this point he would just be competition for Gino. He did pretty well against Star Lotulelei in the video below.
NFL Comparison: Sameson Satele
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV2TpVSkuBU


Round 6, (pick #190)
DION SIMS- TE - Michigan State - 6'5 - 285

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STRENGTHS Has a massive frame, which makes him an inviting targets for quarterbacks to throw to. Soft hands and who catches the ball off of his frame. Uses his size to shield defenders from making a play on the ball. Tough to tackle with the ball in his hands, falls forward. Gains speed in the open field. Understands positioning and shows nimble feet as a run blocker. Good foot quickness as a pass blocker.

Reasoning: RAVINGMADD and Flaccomania got their blocking TE in Michael Williams. Well, I got my own! Dion Sims. This guy is massive at 285 and excels at blocking as well as being an all around tight end. As others have stated, getting a TE in the draft will be a cheaper option than bringing Bajema back.
NFL Comparison: Scott Chandler
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgAoHNx_6VU


Round 6, Comp. pick
VINCE WILLIAMS- ILB - Florida State - 6'1 - 250

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Veteran linebacker who has good awareness and a great understanding of the defensive system which allowed him to shine in his first season as the starter at middle linebacker in 2011. One of 11 Seminoles playing this fall that has already received an undergraduate degree.

Reasoning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8cHcGfSXU0
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPw0zgCyXc0


Round 6, Comp. pick
KYLE JUSZCZYK- FB - Harvard - 6'1 - 248

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2012: Led team with 52 reception for 706 yards and eight TDs ... Senior Bowl game invitee and finished with four carries for nine yards used primarily out of the H-back position for the North team ... East-West Shrine Game invitee ... CDS All-Star Game Invitee ... First team All-America by Associated Press ... First team All-America by American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) ... First team tight end by College Sports Journal ... First team All-America by CollegeSportsMadness.com ... First team All-America by Beyond Sports Network (BSN) ... Second team tight end by The Sports Network ... Unanimous choice All New-England by the New England Football Writers Association ... All ECAC New England ... Unanimous first team All-Ivy League at H-back ... Ivy League Offensive Player of the Year by CollegeSportsMadness.com ... College Football Performance Awards Watch List at Tight End Award ... Preaseason second team All-America at tight end/fullback by The Sports Networkand Beyond College Sports Network ... Preaseason third team All-America at tight end by The College Sporting News, Phil Steelís College Football Preview and College Sports Journal ... Preseason All-Ivy League by College Sports Madness ... Preseason first team All-Ivy League by Phil Steelís College Football Preview ... Had five catches for 54 yards and a TD in the opener against San Diego ... Had seven catches for 86 yards at Brown ... Two catches for 65 yards against Holy Cross ... Four catches for 57 yards against Cornell ... Had two catches for 79 yards against Bucknell including a highlight-reel 59-yard TD catch and run that was on ESPN's SPortsCenter's Top Plays ... His 15 receptions at Princeton is the second-highest mark at Harvard. His 192 yards is fourth all-time and he tied a school record with three receiving touchdowns ... Had five catches for 38 yards at Dartmouth ... Had five receptions for 55 yards and a TD against Columbia.

Reasoning: Vonta Leach is old and we're slowly transitioning to a gun based offense. He probably won't be back in 2014. I see us moving on with a cheaper option. Juszczky was a stand out at the senior bowl, decimating defenders left and right.
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtgc6hgjN28


Round 7, (pick #222)
KENNY TATE - FS/OLB/ILB - Maryland - 6'4 - 230

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As a Senior (2011): Started four games at Star and averaged 8.8 tackles per game before suffering a season-ending knee injury ... recorded two interceptions in four games ... on watch lists for the Bednarik Award, Bronco Nagurski Trophy, Lott Trophy and Butkus Award ... a consensus preseason all-conference choice ... a first team pick by Athlon, Lindy's, Phil Steele (as a safety) and Sporting News ... also first team preseason All-America choice by Phil Steele, though listed as a safety ... recorded 11 stops against Miami (9/5) and also had an interception late in the fourth quarter that sealed the win ... made 10 tackles, recorded one tackle for loss and forced a fumble against West Virginia (9/17) ... had five tackles vs. Temple (9/24) ... had nine tackles, a half tackle for loss and one interception that set up a Maryland TD against Towson (10/1).

Reasoning: Tate is a hometown guy that was once regarded as the best safety in the nation in '10. Injuries kind of derailed his college career, but he brings a lot of versatile depth. Played OLB, FS, ILB at Maryland.
Tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqGz1ZRnXnM


2013 BALTIMORE RAVENS DRAFT CLASS
WR DeAndre Hopkins
DT Jesse Williams
DB David Amerson
OL Terron Armstead
LB Quanterus Smith
LB John Lotulelei
C Khaled Holmes
TE Dion Sims
LB Vince Williams
FB Kyle Juszyzck
DB Kenny Tate




PROJECTED 2013 BALTIMORE RAVENS ROSTER
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QB: Joe Flacco, Tyrod Taylor
RB: Ray Rice, Bernard Pierce, Bobby Rainey
FB: Vonta Leach
WR: Torrey Smith, Anquan Boldin, DeAndre Hopkins, Tandon Doss, Deonte Thompson
TE: Dennis Pitta, Ed Dickson, Dion Sims
LT: Bryant McKinne, Terron Armstead
LG: Kelechi Osemele, Jah Reid
C: Gino Gradkowski, Khaled Holmes
RG: Marshal Yanda, Ramone Harewood, Jah Reid
RT: Michael Oher, Terron Armstead

LE: Arthur Jones, Pernell McPhee
DT/NT: Jesse Williams, Terrence Cody
RE: Haloti Ngata, DeAngelo Tyson, Bryan Hall

OLB: Courtney Upshaw, Albert McClellan, John Lotulelei
ILB: Dannell Ellerbe, Vince Williams
ILB: Rey Maualuga, Jameel McClain
OLB: Terrell Suggs, Quanterus Smith

CB: Lardarius Webb, Jimmy Smith, Corey Graham, Chykie Brown, Asa Jackson
FS: Ed Reed, David Amerson
SS: Bernard Pollard, James Ihedigbo, Kenny Tate

KR: Deonte Thompson, Asa Jackson
PR: Deonte Thompson, Asa Jackson

K: Justin Tucker
P: Sam Koch
LS: Morgan Cox

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually really like this draft. Nothing to really nitpick. Love the Amerson selection personally, just seems to have instincts and I think he could be a good contributor with Reed still on the roster.
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I think in this scenario where we lose Jacoby Jones, I would take Tavon Austin there over Hopkins. He'd make a good replacement as the 3rd receiver and return man. Tavon Austin is just a special player, and with Cam gone, we could utilize him to his full potential. Sure, he doesn't have the size of the other guys, but he's going to make a lot happen after the catch. I can't help but dream about screens to Tavon Austin with Boldin blocking for him on the outside.

My favorite picks of your mock are David Amerson and Kenny Tate. I love adding that kind of size to the secondary. Amerson reminds me of Richard Sherman and is just a play-maker. I'm a big fan of Kenny Tate's versatility. I would love to see him used like a nickel LB and SS and roam all around the field. Adding those two players to our secondary would be insane to add to what we already have there.

I'm not going to act like I actually know anything about the OL, but I didn't really fall in love with Armstead from that tape. I like his athleticism and that little screen to him was cool, but I didn't see anything that really wowed me in terms of his blocking. Out of the guys we have a shot at getting for LT, I like Menelik Watson and Chris Faulk the most. But again, I'm not the best person to ask in terms of OL.
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So you call me out for liking Maualuga, and turn around and sign him in your mock, and all of a sudden like him as well?


As for the draft, there isn't a player I don't like in the first 5 rounds. While taking a WR is a bit unconventional, if we are turning into a spread offense, Hopkins is going to thrive in our offense.

Jesse Williams is my favorite NT in the draft. Not to mention he could line up at DE as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know nearly enough about draft prospects yet to really chime in (I'm just beginning to do my studying)...but I really like the Kenny Tate pick. With the evolution of the Tight End position, I think a Safety/Linebacker tweener is a really valuable guy to have. I've been watching Tate at UMD his whole career (big Terps fan) and I think the kid is very talented.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2013 BALTIMORE RAVENS DRAFT CLASS
WR DeAndre Hopkins
DT Jesse Williams
DB David Amerson
OL Terron Armstead
LB Quanterus Smith
LB John Lotulelei
C Khaled Holmes
TE Dion Sims
LB Vince Williams
FB Kyle Juszyzck
DB Kenny Tate


With Jones gone I really like the Hopkins pick. He's definitely an upgrade as a WR and I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a bigger play-maker than Boldin either.

Williams is meh for me only because I don't want to see Baltimore go with a NT that high in the draft. I really don't think he falls that far but if he did he would probably be a very strong option as the BPA.

I like Amerson a lot as a FS but with Reed coming back for a couple of years I don't like that pick. Like I've said before the Ravens just wouldn't be getting a lot of value out him him while Reed is still on the team.

Armstead is alright.

I'm not familiar with Smith but I don;t want Baltimore to wait that long to address the pass-rush (no shocker there).

I don't know anything about Lotulelei either but how does one brother get a name like Star and the other John?

Holmes is a nice depth pick at that point.

I love me some Spartans and I like Sims quite a bit but I don't think he lats that long. This guy is as big as a lot of defensive ends but he carries that size well and is a really nice safety valve type of TE. I'm thinking more like 4th or 5th round.

I'm not familiar with Williams or Juszyzck.

It doesn't seem like ate would fall that far but I think it would be a nice pick if he did.

Overall I think I would be fairly happy with this projected outcome. The biggest downside is not getting a bona fide pass-rusher. I'm really souring on Maualuga too, especially if he's brought in to play next to Ellerbe.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesse Williams looks like the fat kid Manny on Modern Family, except with a rat-tail to give him extra points.

That's all I got, folks. There's a reason I didn't get a shout-out at the beginning of the OP.
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I'll be honest, I'll be pissed if the Ravens draft a receiver in the first three rounds.

Just don't think it's necessary at all, and even if he's BPA, it would be a bad call considering where all of the team's weaknesses lie.
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Mancunian Raven wrote:
I'll be honest, I'll be pissed if the Ravens draft a receiver in the first three rounds.

Just don't think it's necessary at all, and even if he's BPA, it would be a bad call considering where all of the team's weaknesses lie.

I think in this scenario where the team gets rid of Jacoby Jones, going WR would make a lot of sense. That position already lacks consistent high level play. Remove Jones and now we lack that second big play threat as well as Jones additions on special teams. So we'd need to make up for that on offense with increased talent.
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coordinator0 wrote:
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2013 BALTIMORE RAVENS DRAFT CLASS
WR DeAndre Hopkins
DT Jesse Williams
DB David Amerson
OL Terron Armstead
LB Quanterus Smith
LB John Lotulelei
C Khaled Holmes
TE Dion Sims
LB Vince Williams
FB Kyle Juszyzck
DB Kenny Tate


I like Amerson a lot as a FS but with Reed coming back for a couple of years I don't like that pick. Like I've said before the Ravens just wouldn't be getting a lot of value out him him while Reed is still on the team.

I don't know, I kind of prefer the guys with his length closer to the line of scrimmage where he can take advantage of it. People had the same concerns with Richard Sherman and said he should be moved to safety because he wasn't fast enough to be a CB. Amerson and Smith at CB with Webb eventually replacing Reed would be ideal for me though, so take it for what you will. Just look at Seattle's secondary though, those CB's are going to dominate the LOS most of the time. I think we could do something similar with Amerson and Smith, they just both have to learn to stop biting so hard on double moves.
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I appreciate the shout out, but I don't think I'd call myself a draft expert as much as a guy who watches a lot of Saturday football.

As far as your draft, the only real issue I have is that you wait until the 6th round comp pick to even address ILB. There are just too many really talented prospects in the early and middle rounds to wait until the 6th and 7th rounds to double dip there.

The other minor quibble I have is that you traded up for the wrong Williams. Brandon Williams has more of a pass rush repertoire than Jesse has, and I think if you want a DT who is scheme versatile in the early rounds, he's the guy to get. But Jesse is beastly, and I'd rather he play for us than against us.
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2013 BALTIMORE RAVENS DRAFT CLASS
WR DeAndre Hopkins
DT Jesse Williams
DB David Amerson
OL Terron Armstead
LB Quanterus Smith
LB John Lotulelei
C Khaled Holmes
TE Dion Sims
LB Vince Williams
FB Kyle Juszyzck
DB Kenny Tate

1. With the loss of Jones, I like picking up a high round-high talent receiver. I haven't watched the most film of WRs simply because I don't anticipate it being a need going into the draft. But I've heard really good things about Hopkins. From what I understand, he's like Jacoby Jones in explosive ability and route running but with very good hands.

2. I think Jesse Williams is a nice solid pick in the 2nd. Not a sexy pick by any means, but if we're going to go with a NT in the draft, I like the idea of taking a guy with the versatility to play 5-tech and upgrade the pass rush and athleticism from the NT spot.

3. I had no idea that Amerson had fallen enough to be considered a 3rd round option. I still doubt that he falls to us in the late 3rd round, but I suppose it's possible. If he does, I like that pick a lot. He provides both CB and FS versatility for the team and therefore could be used if Ed goes down, but could also see some playing time on defense as a corner.

4. Armstead is an alright pick. I'm not crazy about taking developmental OTs as they rarely work out. But with so many picks at our disposal, a shot in the dark isn't a bad pick.

5. Smith is a guy that I haven't gotten a chance to familiarize myself with, so I'm not qualified to speak on him.

6. Same as above.

7. I didn't know that Holmes was considered this weak a prospect to fall this far in the draft. But if he does, I wouldn't mind taking him as depth. And everything is a competition on this team so pushing Gino can only be a good thing.

8.Sims is a blocking TE that I like as well. That's a nice pick.

9. Same as #5..

10. I think you'll see that I also like KJ. He'll be in one of my mock drafts. I like his versatility as a potential H-Back at the next level.

11. Kenny Tate is a guy that I had forgotten about. I think taking him and his athleticism wouldn't be a bad idea. At worse, you'd think with his physical skillset and athleticism that he'd make a nice special teams addition.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2013 BALTIMORE RAVENS DRAFT CLASS
WR DeAndre Hopkins
DT Jesse Williams
DB David Amerson
OL Terron Armstead
LB Quanterus Smith
LB John Lotulelei
C Khaled Holmes
TE Dion Sims
LB Vince Williams
FB Kyle Juszyzck
DB Kenny Tate


I like Amerson a lot as a FS but with Reed coming back for a couple of years I don't like that pick. Like I've said before the Ravens just wouldn't be getting a lot of value out him him while Reed is still on the team.

I don't know, I kind of prefer the guys with his length closer to the line of scrimmage where he can take advantage of it. People had the same concerns with Richard Sherman and said he should be moved to safety because he wasn't fast enough to be a CB. Amerson and Smith at CB with Webb eventually replacing Reed would be ideal for me though, so take it for what you will. Just look at Seattle's secondary though, those CB's are going to dominate the LOS most of the time. I think we could do something similar with Amerson and Smith, they just both have to learn to stop biting so hard on double moves.


It's not Amerson's size for a CB that worries me it's how many times he gets toasted in coverage. If a team takes him to play CB is better be in a zone scheme.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll be honest, I'll be pissed if the Ravens draft a receiver in the first three rounds.

Just don't think it's necessary at all, and even if he's BPA, it would be a bad call considering where all of the team's weaknesses lie.


I think in this scenario where the team gets rid of Jacoby Jones, going WR would make a lot of sense. That position already lacks consistent high level play. Remove Jones and now we lack that second big play threat as well as Jones additions on special teams. So we'd need to make up for that on offense with increased talent.


Even if Jones goes, the Ravens are still heavily loaded at WR. If they subsequently cut David Reed, LaQuan Williams and Deonte Thompson, then I could see a reason for going after a receiver in the draft. But it would seem hasty to get rid of all of those guys without giving them a chance to earn roster spots in training camp.

I think Doss can be a good receiver, he just needs more playing time. Not so sure about Williams, Thompson or Streeter, but I'd like to see what they can do. Reed's probably a goner.

Regarding the rest of this draft, one idea I like a lot is getting Kyle Juszczyk in the sixth round. Not that I really know anything about him, but FBs are not going to be at a premium, and this would be a great way for the Ravens to make a late round pick really count. If this kid can do half the job that Vonta Leach can, he'd end up being a successful pick.
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Mancunian Raven wrote:
diamondbull424 wrote:
Mancunian Raven wrote:
I'll be honest, I'll be pissed if the Ravens draft a receiver in the first three rounds.

Just don't think it's necessary at all, and even if he's BPA, it would be a bad call considering where all of the team's weaknesses lie.


I think in this scenario where the team gets rid of Jacoby Jones, going WR would make a lot of sense. That position already lacks consistent high level play. Remove Jones and now we lack that second big play threat as well as Jones additions on special teams. So we'd need to make up for that on offense with increased talent.


Even if Jones goes, the Ravens are still heavily loaded at WR. If they subsequently cut David Reed, LaQuan Williams and Deonte Thompson, then I could see a reason for going after a receiver in the draft. But it would seem hasty to get rid of all of those guys without giving them a chance to earn roster spots in training camp.

I think Doss can be a good receiver, he just needs more playing time. Not so sure about Williams, Thompson or Streeter, but I'd like to see what they can do. Reed's probably a goner.

Regarding the rest of this draft, one idea I like a lot is getting Kyle Juszczyk in the sixth round. Not that I really know anything about him, but FBs are not going to be at a premium, and this would be a great way for the Ravens to make a late round pick really count. If this kid can do half the job that Vonta Leach can, he'd end up being a successful pick.


It does seem that Doss was getting more playing time at the end of the year and in the playoffs.
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