Greatest Ravens #4

sp6488 · Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 6230 Location: MD

Now that we're into the offseason, I figured we could start making a Ravens all-time list of players. We'll see what everyone thinks about it/participation, but I'm definitely going through 10, but maybe we can go to #20. Anyway, I think it goes without question that Ray is the #1 Raven of all time. #2 and #3 is an interesting debate between Ogden and Reed, but again, those two are pretty cemented in 2/3. I was thinking of starting with 2, but it may be more fun to have the runoff between those two as our grand finale.

So, the list as it currently stands:
1. Ray
2a. JO
2b. Reed

I have included the top 10 guys that I imagine could be argued for in the poll, but if for any number 'Other' receives a significant portion of the vote, then I will start a new poll including the 'other' answer(s) as well as a few of the top vote-getters. Some notable others in this poll could be Rod Woodson or Shannon Sharpe, I just felt that 10 was a good cutoff point.

I'm interested to see how are subforum ranks past Ravens on an all-time list.

Note: Let's keep this to their Ravens contributions. So, a guy like Rod Woodson would be considered for the years he played in Bmore, not Pitt or Oak.

EDIT:
Figured I would start putting the guys' stats and other pertinent info into the post.

Terrell Suggs
Statistics
149 GP / 133 GS, 429 Tackles, 7 INT/ 144 yards/ 2 TD, 84.5 Sacks, 25 FF/ 11 FR/ 0 TD
Post-season Statistics
15 GP, 46 Tackles, 12 Sacks
Accolades/Leaderboards
5x Probowler
1x First-team All-pro
2011 Defensive Player of the Year
2003 Defensive Rookie of the Year
Tied for #3 all-time in NFL history for post-season sacks (tied with Reggie White, behind Bruce Smith and Willie McGinest)

Peter Boulware
Statistics
126 GP / 102 GS, 295 Tackles, 1 INT/ 6 yards/ 0 TD, 70 Sacks, 14 FF/ 5 FR/ O TD
Post-season Statistics
6 GP, 0 Tackles (I think this must be a fluke), 3 Sacks
Accolades/Leaderboards
4x Probowler
1x Second-team All-Pro
1997 Defensive Rookie of the Year

Joe Flacco
Statistics
80 GP / 80 GS, 60.5% comp/ 17,633 yards/ 102 TD/ 56 INT/ 86.3 QBR, 201 rush/ 430 yards/ 7 TD
Post-season Statistics
13 GP, 55.5% comp/ 2,672 yards/ 19 TD/ 8 INT/ 86.2 QBR, 42 rush/ 79 yards/ 1 TD
Accolades/Leaderboards
2012 Superbowl MVP

Haloti Ngata
Statistics
109 GP / 106 GS, 242 tackles, 3 INT/ 68 yards/ 0 TD, 22 Sacks. 4 FF/ 5 FR/ 1 TD
Post-season Statistics
13 GP, 29 Tackles, 2.5 Sacks
Accolades/Leaderboards
4x Probowler
2x First-Team All-pro
2x Second-Team All-pro

Jamal Lewis
Statistics
91 GP / 88 GS, 1,822 rushes/ 7,801 yards/ 4.3 YPC/ 45 TD, 160 Receptions/ 1,365 yards/ 2 TD
Post-season Statistics
6 GP, 130 Rushes/ 426 Yards/ 3.3 YPC/ 4 TD, 6 Receptions/ 32 Yards/ 0 TD
Accolades/Leaderboards
1x Probowler
1x First-Team All-Pro
2003 Offensive Player of the Year
Holds the #3 most prolific rushing season of all-time (2003)

Ray Rice
Statistics
77 GP / 65 GS, 1,216 rushes/ 5,520 yards/ 4.5 ypc/ 33 TD, 311 Receptions/ 2,713 yards/ 6 TD
Post-season Statistics
11 GP, 191 rushes/ 750 yards/ 3.9 ypc/ 5 TD, 37 Receptions/ 296 yards/ 1 TD
Accolades/Leaderboards
3x Probowler
2x Second-Team All-Pro

Todd Heap
Statistics
133 GP / 128 GS, 467 receptions/ 5,492 yards/ 11.8 ypc/ 41 TD
Post-season Statistics
11 GP, 32 receptions/ 385 yards/ 12 ypc/ 2 TD
Accolades/Leaderboards
2x Probowler
1x Second-Team All-Pro

Matt Stover
Statistics
207 GP, 418 FGA/ 354 FGM/ 85.7% FG %, 403 XPA/ 402 XPM/ 99.8% XP %, 1,464 points
Post-season Statistics
11 GP, 19 FGA/ 16 FGM/ 84.3% FG %, 70 points
Accolades/Leaderboards
1x Probowler
1x First-Team All-Pro
1x Second-Team All-Pro

Derrick Mason
Statistics
96 GP / 94 GS, 471 Receptions/ 5,777 yards/ 12.3 ypc/ 29 TD
Post-season Statistics
6 GP, 19 Receptions/ 278 yards/ 14.6 ypc/ 1 TD
Accolades/Leaderboards

Chris McAlister
Statistics
135 GP / 127 GS, 382 Tackles, 26 INT/ 486 yards/ 5 TD, 0 Sacks, 1 FF/ 7 FR/ 1 TD
Post-season Statistics
8 GP, 3 INT/ 22 yards/ 0 TD
Accolades/Leaderboards
3x Probowler
1x First-Team All-Pro
1x Second-Team All-Pro
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BaltimoreTerp · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:52 am Post subject:

Wut, no love for Travis Taylor?

But actually, great question. Extremely difficult one as well. To me, it's between Boulware and Suggs. Boulware was dominant back in the day, playing well in both 4-3 and 3-4 schemes and serving as a vital cog on the 2000 Ravens all-time great defense. Suggs has a greater longevity, a DPOY season, and is better against the run.

Terrell Suggs: 84.5 sacks, 63 stuffs, 48 PD's, 27 FF's

Peter Boulware: 70 sacks, 26.5 stuffs, 19 PD's, 13 FF's

When you put their career numbers up against each other, it actually doesn't even look that close. When you add in the fact that Suggs is still going and will only add to his accomplishments, I think it becomes a bit easier.

I'll take Ball so Hard University for 500, Trebeck.
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mcdni · Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 571

It's all about the Sizzle at #4.
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DontTazeMeBro · Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 20522 Location: 321

I'm going with Flacco. One of the best QBs in the game right now. Had one of the best postseasons any QB has ever had. Winningest road QB in playoff history.
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sp6488 · Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 6230 Location: MD

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BaltimoreTerp · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:28 pm Post subject:

Minor quibble, but Boulware was Defensive Rookie of the Year in 1997, not Defensive Player of the Year, sp.
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sp6488 · Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 6230 Location: MD

wwhickok · Joined: 27 Nov 2012 Posts: 2279 Location: Williamsport, PA

Maybe it's cuz I'm a Steeler fan but I went with Ray Rice, there's 29 yards with of reason I can say this. The guy has been an absolute beast for the Ravens, I know there are times that he has put the ball on the ground but Ray Rice is a big part of the reason the Ravens hung on to win the division this year.

diamondbull424 · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 10018 Location: Baltimore, MD

I think Stover deserves some serious love for his consistency.

But for #4, I'll go with Suggs- for now. But Flacco is right on his tale. For me it's those two. Both have had some inconsistencies in their careers, but are tremendously clutch and get it done when it matters most. Suggs simply has the edge ATM because of his longevity with the team and the fact that he's on pace for a potential HOF career if he can get back to his 2011 form... or something close to it following his string of injuries in 2012. But as of now, I see him on a HOF pace.

With Flacco, I think he needs to put together a better regular season before I'm willing to put him higher than Suggs.

Good topic though.
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Hands of Iron · Joined: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 53

01. Ray Lewis
02. Ed Reed
03. Jonathan Ogden
04. Terrell Suggs

Suggs really solidified the spot with his 2011 DPOY, his post-season performances and the fact that he wrecks the Pittsburgh Steelers like no other player in the NFL when he's healthy.

sp6488 · Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 6230 Location: MD

Hands of Iron · Joined: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 53

Sizzle's playoff production since 2008:

12 Sacks, 7 QB Hits, 20 QB Hurries, 39 Total Pressures, 3 forced fumbles.

Was too bad he was dealing with multiple injuries over this recent run, although his presence alone was of huge benefit to Kruger and in turn, the Ravens.

sp6488 · Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 6230 Location: MD

Hands of Iron · Joined: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 53

He's a great player, and I think he's got a few elite seasons left in him to anchor the defense along with Haloti. I'm pretty optimistic that he'll have that playoff sack record within a couple years - and now 30+ years deep into the official stat - it has to merit consideration for his HOF chances since they are coming on the biggest stage(s) when games matter most. Having that DPOY season really is what put him in conversation as a hopeful HOF more than anything else or any numbers. It's indespensible on a resume and being the fourth one awarded to a Raven (tied for 2nd among all franchises since 1971) he gets to be in that special group with Lewis and Reed.