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Entropy


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditchdigger wrote:
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It seems your entire problem is with Lombardi. So look at him more objectively and tell me what he's done so far that you disagree with. (not rhetorical)


He's been hired. Same problem I have with Banner. I'll update you as the year goes on, but it's hard to get past those two mistakes.


Yes it's hard to get past something you view as a mistake unless you consider why you view it as a mistake.

I knew every mistake the Browns made before they made them too; all I had to do was view everything as a mistake. It's infallible logic. Very Happy

Hey, I'm no fan of Lombardi or Banner either (not yet). But I actually want them to succeed and I'm always looking for evidence of success along with evidence of a lack of success.

I'll say this, with free agency looming; we'll have more evidence soon.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditchdigger wrote:
mistakebytehlak wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Thomas5737 wrote:
I agree with Ditch, he is a smart man.



...Can I have your Cribbs jersey?




And no, you can't have my 16. You wouldn't want it anyway. It has a smell that hasn't come out no matter how many times it's been washed.


which most likely started at 150 west maynard


If I told you it's only been washed once since then, would you believe me?


yes. yes i would.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistakebytehlak wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
mistakebytehlak wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Thomas5737 wrote:
I agree with Ditch, he is a smart man.



...Can I have your Cribbs jersey?


And no, you can't have my 16. You wouldn't want it anyway. It has a smell that hasn't come out no matter how many times it's been washed.


which most likely started at 150 west maynard


If I told you it's only been washed once since then, would you believe me?


yes. yes i would.


Close. It's been washed at least twice since then. Maybe three times.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
It seems your entire problem is with Lombardi. So look at him more objectively and tell me what he's done so far that you disagree with. (not rhetorical)


He's been hired. Same problem I have with Banner. I'll update you as the year goes on, but it's hard to get past those two mistakes.


Yes it's hard to get past something you view as a mistake unless you consider why you view it as a mistake.

I knew every mistake the Browns made before they made them too; all I had to do was view everything as a mistake. It's infallible logic. Very Happy

Hey, I'm no fan of Lombardi or Banner either (not yet). But I actually want them to succeed and I'm always looking for evidence of success along with evidence of a lack of success.

I'll say this, with free agency looming; we'll have more evidence soon.


So you agree that this is all opinion we're talking about here, and that your incessant badgering for "evidence" from me is pointless and annoying?

Glad we could get on the same page.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
It seems your entire problem is with Lombardi. So look at him more objectively and tell me what he's done so far that you disagree with. (not rhetorical)


He's been hired. Same problem I have with Banner. I'll update you as the year goes on, but it's hard to get past those two mistakes.


Yes it's hard to get past something you view as a mistake unless you consider why you view it as a mistake.

I knew every mistake the Browns made before they made them too; all I had to do was view everything as a mistake. It's infallible logic. Very Happy

Hey, I'm no fan of Lombardi or Banner either (not yet). But I actually want them to succeed and I'm always looking for evidence of success along with evidence of a lack of success.

I'll say this, with free agency looming; we'll have more evidence soon.


So you agree that this is all opinion we're talking about here, and that your incessant badgering for "evidence" from me is pointless and annoying?

Glad we could get on the same page.


So you agree that all opinions are not equal and evidence tends to be a rather large factor...and I'm really annoying sometimes?

Yes, we're on the same page. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
It seems your entire problem is with Lombardi. So look at him more objectively and tell me what he's done so far that you disagree with. (not rhetorical)


He's been hired. Same problem I have with Banner. I'll update you as the year goes on, but it's hard to get past those two mistakes.


Yes it's hard to get past something you view as a mistake unless you consider why you view it as a mistake.

I knew every mistake the Browns made before they made them too; all I had to do was view everything as a mistake. It's infallible logic. Very Happy

Hey, I'm no fan of Lombardi or Banner either (not yet). But I actually want them to succeed and I'm always looking for evidence of success along with evidence of a lack of success.

I'll say this, with free agency looming; we'll have more evidence soon.


So you agree that this is all opinion we're talking about here, and that your incessant badgering for "evidence" from me is pointless and annoying?

Glad we could get on the same page.


So you agree that all opinions are not equal and evidence tends to be a rather large factor...and I'm really annoying sometimes?

Yes, we're on the same page. Very Happy


Lombardi has two strikes against him: (1) No clear cut display of competence in player selection; and (2) A relative (to immediately prior years) paucity of picks to (fill in the blank...guide, steer, champion, hold his breath until he turns blue on, etc.).

It seems much more likely that he will strikeout than that he will hit a home run much less a couple, which is what we need to get over the top and into contention.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
It seems your entire problem is with Lombardi. So look at him more objectively and tell me what he's done so far that you disagree with. (not rhetorical)


He's been hired. Same problem I have with Banner. I'll update you as the year goes on, but it's hard to get past those two mistakes.


Yes it's hard to get past something you view as a mistake unless you consider why you view it as a mistake.

I knew every mistake the Browns made before they made them too; all I had to do was view everything as a mistake. It's infallible logic. Very Happy

Hey, I'm no fan of Lombardi or Banner either (not yet). But I actually want them to succeed and I'm always looking for evidence of success along with evidence of a lack of success.

I'll say this, with free agency looming; we'll have more evidence soon.


So you agree that this is all opinion we're talking about here, and that your incessant badgering for "evidence" from me is pointless and annoying?

Glad we could get on the same page.


So you agree that all opinions are not equal and evidence tends to be a rather large factor...and I'm really annoying sometimes?

Yes, we're on the same page. Very Happy


Lombardi has two strikes against him: (1) No clear cut display of competence in player selection; and (2) A relative (to immediately prior years) paucity of picks to (fill in the blank...guide, steer, champion, hold his breath until he turns blue on, etc.).

It seems much more likely that he will strikeout than that he will hit a home run much less a couple, which is what we need to get over the top and into contention.


Please list the players he, alone, picked bruce.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
It seems your entire problem is with Lombardi. So look at him more objectively and tell me what he's done so far that you disagree with. (not rhetorical)


He's been hired. Same problem I have with Banner. I'll update you as the year goes on, but it's hard to get past those two mistakes.


Yes it's hard to get past something you view as a mistake unless you consider why you view it as a mistake.

I knew every mistake the Browns made before they made them too; all I had to do was view everything as a mistake. It's infallible logic. Very Happy

Hey, I'm no fan of Lombardi or Banner either (not yet). But I actually want them to succeed and I'm always looking for evidence of success along with evidence of a lack of success.

I'll say this, with free agency looming; we'll have more evidence soon.


So you agree that this is all opinion we're talking about here, and that your incessant badgering for "evidence" from me is pointless and annoying?

Glad we could get on the same page.


So you agree that all opinions are not equal and evidence tends to be a rather large factor...and I'm really annoying sometimes?

Yes, we're on the same page. Very Happy


Lombardi has two strikes against him: (1) No clear cut display of competence in player selection; and (2) A relative (to immediately prior years) paucity of picks to (fill in the blank...guide, steer, champion, hold his breath until he turns blue on, etc.).

It seems much more likely that he will strikeout than that he will hit a home run much less a couple, which is what we need to get over the top and into contention.


Please list the players he, alone, picked bruce.


Nobody seems to know who, if anyone "he, alone, picked", which by definition is "No clear cut display of competence in player selection".
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
It seems your entire problem is with Lombardi. So look at him more objectively and tell me what he's done so far that you disagree with. (not rhetorical)


He's been hired. Same problem I have with Banner. I'll update you as the year goes on, but it's hard to get past those two mistakes.


Yes it's hard to get past something you view as a mistake unless you consider why you view it as a mistake.

I knew every mistake the Browns made before they made them too; all I had to do was view everything as a mistake. It's infallible logic. Very Happy

Hey, I'm no fan of Lombardi or Banner either (not yet). But I actually want them to succeed and I'm always looking for evidence of success along with evidence of a lack of success.

I'll say this, with free agency looming; we'll have more evidence soon.


So you agree that this is all opinion we're talking about here, and that your incessant badgering for "evidence" from me is pointless and annoying?

Glad we could get on the same page.


So you agree that all opinions are not equal and evidence tends to be a rather large factor...and I'm really annoying sometimes?

Yes, we're on the same page. Very Happy


Lombardi has two strikes against him: (1) No clear cut display of competence in player selection; and (2) A relative (to immediately prior years) paucity of picks to (fill in the blank...guide, steer, champion, hold his breath until he turns blue on, etc.).

It seems much more likely that he will strikeout than that he will hit a home run much less a couple, which is what we need to get over the top and into contention.


Please list the players he, alone, picked bruce.


Nobody seems to know who, if anyone "he, alone, picked", which by definition is "No clear cut display of competence in player selection".


Sure, but that's just one strike then. You counted it twice.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sure, but that's just one strike then. You counted it twice.


I believe he is also lamenting the fact that we are down 1 pick due to using it in the selection of Josh Gordon in the Supplemental Draft.

He apparently does not subscribe to the theory that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Sure, but that's just one strike then. You counted it twice.


I believe he is also lamenting the fact that we are down 1 pick due to using it in the selection of Josh Gordon in the Supplemental Draft.

He apparently does not subscribe to the theory that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.


In my experience, a bird in the hand is valued at 20% of a bird in the bush, let alone two.
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Thomas5737 wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Sure, but that's just one strike then. You counted it twice.


I believe he is also lamenting the fact that we are down 1 pick due to using it in the selection of Josh Gordon in the Supplemental Draft.

He apparently does not subscribe to the theory that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.


In my experience, a bird in the hand is valued at 20% of a bird in the bush, let alone two.


Well, I can certainly see how some would rather still have that second round pick along with the gaping hole at WR going into this draft.

But, to do so, I need to contort myself like a pretzel, remove three fifths of my brain, drink 7 quarts of cod-liver oil, and sit inside a campfire singing Clementine while playing a banjo with my eyelids as I'm being pelted with hazelnuts by clowns riding on tricycles.

I just prefer not to.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
bruceb wrote:
Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
It seems your entire problem is with Lombardi. So look at him more objectively and tell me what he's done so far that you disagree with. (not rhetorical)


He's been hired. Same problem I have with Banner. I'll update you as the year goes on, but it's hard to get past those two mistakes.


Yes it's hard to get past something you view as a mistake unless you consider why you view it as a mistake.

I knew every mistake the Browns made before they made them too; all I had to do was view everything as a mistake. It's infallible logic. Very Happy

Hey, I'm no fan of Lombardi or Banner either (not yet). But I actually want them to succeed and I'm always looking for evidence of success along with evidence of a lack of success.

I'll say this, with free agency looming; we'll have more evidence soon.


So you agree that this is all opinion we're talking about here, and that your incessant badgering for "evidence" from me is pointless and annoying?

Glad we could get on the same page.


So you agree that all opinions are not equal and evidence tends to be a rather large factor...and I'm really annoying sometimes?

Yes, we're on the same page. Very Happy


Lombardi has two strikes against him: (1) No clear cut display of competence in player selection; and (2) A relative (to immediately prior years) paucity of picks to (fill in the blank...guide, steer, champion, hold his breath until he turns blue on, etc.).

It seems much more likely that he will strikeout than that he will hit a home run much less a couple, which is what we need to get over the top and into contention.


Please list the players he, alone, picked bruce.


Nobody seems to know who, if anyone "he, alone, picked", which by definition is "No clear cut display of competence in player selection".


Sure, but that's just one strike then. You counted it twice.


Huh?

Please explain exactly how lack of clear cut competency and relatively few picks are one thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Sure, but that's just one strike then. You counted it twice.


I believe he is also lamenting the fact that we are down 1 pick due to using it in the selection of Josh Gordon in the Supplemental Draft.

He apparently does not subscribe to the theory that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.


Those are significant leaps in illogic, even for a hater like you.

Your pussbag attitude apparently is morphing into flights of fantasy.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
Thomas5737 wrote:
ditchdigger wrote:
Entropy wrote:
Sure, but that's just one strike then. You counted it twice.


I believe he is also lamenting the fact that we are down 1 pick due to using it in the selection of Josh Gordon in the Supplemental Draft.

He apparently does not subscribe to the theory that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.


In my experience, a bird in the hand is valued at 20% of a bird in the bush, let alone two.


Well, I can certainly see how some would rather still have that second round pick along with the gaping hole at WR going into this draft.

But, to do so, I need to contort myself like a pretzel, remove three fifths of my brain, drink 7 quarts of cod-liver oil, and sit inside a campfire singing Clementine while playing a banjo with my eyelids as I'm being pelted with hazelnuts by clowns riding on tricycles.

I just prefer not to.

Aahhhhh...I miss my college days
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