Stats show WCO was never the best route for Weeden

[buno67]

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2013/02/statistics_show_west_coast_was.html

Pluto posted about this...

At OkSt, Weeden took the pass out of shotgun nearly every pass. ProFootballFocus said 43percent of Weeden's passes this year were from the shotgon.

Pluto starts going into other facts...

#1 NFL QBs threw out of the shotgun at an avg of 66% of the time
#2 Out of the 39 QBs examined by ProFootballfocus, only Houston's Matt Schaub (39%) threw a lower % of passes from the shotgun than Weeden
#3 Weeden was more effective from the shotgun. From Shotgun, Weeden had a QB rating of 79.1 with 8TDs and 7INTs, where under center it was 67.7 with 6TDs and 10INTs
#4 Weeden threw 73more passes from under center than from Shotgun

Weeden in shotgun: 132-222, 8 TDs, 7 ints., 79.1 rating �
Weeden under center: 165-295, 6 TDs, 10 ints., 67.7 rating

Now some stats that could be promising for Weeden and Chud...

#1 In Chud's offense with the Panthers, New threw 79% of his passes from the gun 4th highest. (could be higher if he didnt pull the ball down and run)
#2 Turner and Rivers threw it 77% out of the gun which was 8th highest in the NFL


OK WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN???

Pluto was saying Weeden's strength is standing in the pocket and throwing deep but in the WCO it stresses being under the center and making the quick passes. So right there that is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Also spending so much time under center and throwing quick routes could be the reason he had so many passes knocked down, since he had to set up closer to the defensive linemen and with him throwing so quick lineman know they cant get to him in time to sack him so they throw there hands up. I would love to see all of Weeden's passes that were knocked down and see if they were from the gun or under center to see the real ratio

Its like what caused the Browns to draft Weeden in the first place? It was the work he did at OkSt and how good of a QB he was in college. So why not adapt him to the NFL by putting him in an offense scheme he is familiar at
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[Ether]

I'd like to know what every QB's rating is from shotgun as opposed to under center. Statistics really just show that Weeden was bad from the shotgun and even worse under center, I don't find that promising or a reason for optimism at all.

[StewieRules]

I don't see it that way at all - you don't need double digit + improvement for it to not mean improvement. Weeden had some good games, some very good games; I tend to think his progress was there, it just wasn't abnormal, as RG3's was.

Frankly, and I've posted this in the past, he was a bad fit in the WCO - and our WCO was fairly ancient to boot. When I hear coaches say "Oh sure but now he has to get under center most of the time and do a 2.5 mile long play call cause that's the NFL ...blah blah blah .." it makes my butt twitch. These are the same guys who railed against the spread - until NE used it to crush everyone, and its the same mentality that criticized the pistol as a college gimmick until SF showed how effective it could be. They're loathe to try anything new until someone else does and it works and then it's all the rage.

In our case, we should tailor our new vertical game to mimic the no-huddle fast attack Weeden ran so successfully at Ok St - if that means shot gun 80% of the time then so be it. It seems to me that the great coaches all have their philosophies, but they tailor them to suit their talent - Parcells and the wildcat to mask having no real QB, Belichick and the spread for Brady since they had no real RB, SF and the pistol for Kaepernick's unique skill set, etc. Weeden has talent, let's hope Chud & Co design an offense for him, not just around him.

[cattleman78]

I thought Pluto brought up an interesting point on Weeden. His q.b. rating was 11 points higher out of the shotgun. If he used the shotgun 66% like the league average his rating would probably been 7-8 points higher.

Also interesting Pluto said he hears Brown's are looking at off. linemen because they don't know about Pinkston being able to play. I.M.O. Cousins needs to go also. Don't be surprised if we get a guard and an o.t. this off season. The guard might be a starter and the o.t. a solid back up.
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[mtmmike]

personally norv doesnt come here if he feels weeden isnt right

[buno67]

[bungleodeon]

It was his first year having to deal with being under center, that being said, if he can't learn to play under center he has no future in the NFL, so let's hope those numbers improve (both under center and in the shotgun).
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[TeHDruiD]

Opponents often talked about how they knew what was coming just based off of the formation. In the shotgun we likely were running more vertical routes, whereas under center typically it was the shorter stuff they were squating on. He had lapses in judgement, but it doesn't help when defenders see him under center and know a quick route is coming and can sit on it. I feel like Shurmurs system did no one any favors, particularly the QB who had to make miracle throws the majority of the time because the defense knew what was coming

Shurmur had no creativity, he was too embedded in the old school WCO and never adapted to todays game like Reid and McCarthy have been able to do. It's hard for a QB to have success in that situation imo. This is why I'm excited for Chud, he's innovative and creative and that will allow his players to be in positions to succeed and not be stuck with there feet in the mud

[StewieRules]

This ^^^^^

[bruceb]

As I have said before, Weeden was a bad pick. Period.

What Shurmur did with him made the pick worse.

But putting him in a shotgun is not going to turn him into a QB who will lead us to the promised land, not in the NFL.

Still a bad pick. Period.
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[JCBrowns21]

Usually when we used the shotgun it was 3rd &long or late in the game. Defenses were a little softer and there were more receiving options in 3 and 4 receiver sets. I wouldn't read too much into this.
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