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Texas_OutLaw7
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| Football Mensa wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | We keep guys and give them bad contracts add to it that the Gmen have enough room under the cap to make these kinds of moves and Dallas is way over the cap. |
The Giants were actually over the cap last year, and needed the additional $ that they got from the Dal/Wash penalty to get under the cap. |
Yet still they have enough room to cut guys and move on. They are and have been a better run franchise this century.
When I said " the Gmen have enough room under the cap" , I didn't mean they were under the cap in dollars. I was referring to they had enough room under the cap guidelines to make necessary moves. Where as Dallas always seems to have their backs against the wall because of poor contract management. It's always restructuring or an extension for a player who isn't worth the production. |
I would argue that Dallas often makes bigger splashes (effective or not) than the Giants do. So I don't agree with the backs being up against a wall or not.
I also think fans fall into a trap that they expect players to over-perform their contract and not expect them to receive top dollar as a result. I don’t always agree with moves, and I don’t always disagree. But I saw nothing wrong with say the Rat deal. Since I would bet on high motor guys almost always. And yet I was thrilled when we didn’t offer Laurent or Canty or Bowen a deal. It works both ways.
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | We keep guys and give them bad contracts add to it that the Gmen have enough room under the cap to make these kinds of moves and Dallas is way over the cap. |
The Giants were actually over the cap last year, and needed the additional $ that they got from the Dal/Wash penalty to get under the cap. |
Yet still they have enough room to cut guys and move on. They are and have been a better run franchise this century.
When I said " the Gmen have enough room under the cap" , I didn't mean they were under the cap in dollars. I was referring to they had enough room under the cap guidelines to make necessary moves. Where as Dallas always seems to have their backs against the wall because of poor contract management. It's always restructuring or an extension for a player who isn't worth the production. |
I would argue that Dallas often makes bigger splashes (effective or not) than the Giants do. So I don't agree with the backs being up against a wall or not.
I also think fans fall into a trap that they expect players to over-perform their contract and not expect them to receive top dollar as a result. I don’t always agree with moves, and I don’t always disagree. But I saw nothing wrong with say the Rat deal. Since I would bet on high motor guys almost always. And yet I was thrilled when we didn’t offer Laurent or Canty or Bowen a deal. It works both ways. |
Smarter splashes. Not bigger splashes. Draft better and fewer splashes are needed. Dallas signs more players because they continue to restructure and extend guys. It eventually catches up with you. Still sit at 8-8 with one playoff win in forever.
Rat was a bad signing. His production was going down. That was Jerry being a fan and not a smart gm.
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Texas_OutLaw7
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| Football Mensa wrote: | Smarter splashes. Not bigger splashes. Draft better and fewer splashes are needed. Dallas signs more players because they continue to restructure and extend guys. It eventually catches up with you. Still sit at 8-8 with one playoff win in forever.
Rat was a bad signing. His production was going down. That was Jerry being a fan and not a smart gm. |
Not arguing the effectiveness. Merely saying the premise that our backs are against the wall is wrong. We often are able to do as we please. And tend to be in better positions than most teams. Like say the bucs, all the money in the world but an owner who considers their team second in his eyes to his soccer franchise.
And we disagree about Rat. But that’s not the point.
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | Smarter splashes. Not bigger splashes. Draft better and fewer splashes are needed. Dallas signs more players because they continue to restructure and extend guys. It eventually catches up with you. Still sit at 8-8 with one playoff win in forever.
Rat was a bad signing. His production was going down. That was Jerry being a fan and not a smart gm. |
Not arguing the effectiveness. Merely saying the premise that our backs are against the wall is wrong. We often are able to do as we please. And tend to be in better positions than most teams. Like say the bucs, all the money in the world but an owner who considers their team second in his eyes to his soccer franchise.
And we disagree about Rat. But that’s not the point. |
Well we'll see about the cap.....because it's hurting us.
On another note...nice job by your Gators yesterday. Though I think my Tigers did better... 
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| Football Mensa wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | Giants d line is loaded. Linval Joseph is better than Canty. Canty definitely got the better end of the deal. He has a ring and his former teammates wish they were relevant in today's nfl. I can't blame Canty for leaving. Most anyone reading this blog would have done the same. He definitely went to play with a franchise that is run like a franchise should be. |
One that overpays for weak talent and ends up paying them to not be in their team? Weren't you bashing Dallas for that? Haha |
You mean like the franchise that actually cut guys and move on but the Cowboys don't ? Or do you mean like a franchise that has won a couple of superbowls lately ? Or like the franchise that has never lost in Jerryworld ? Which is it ?
Canty was a solid contributor for a few seasons. He did the right thing for himself. Now the Gmen are doing the right thing by moving on. Does Dallas ever do this ? No. We keep guys and give them bad contracts add to it that the Gmen have enough room under the cap to make these kinds of moves and Dallas is way over the cap. So which franchise would you say is more stable ? Or is it ha ha ? |
You mean the franchise that is paying Bradshaw $3m and Canty $2m to NOT be on their team? The one that paid huge money for an average 5-tech and tried to transition him into a 3-tech where he was never more than a decent rotational guy.
Meanwhile Dallas let Canty walk, refusing to overpay for average talent, knowing they could keep Spears for much less and get equal production. Same way they refused to overpay for Bowen who hasn't been anything special in Washington since leaving for the big bucks.
You bash the Cowboys for overpaying for poor talent or retaining guys too long, but then ignore that they've let plenty of guys walk b/c they didn't want to overpay and that they have cut guys loose many times when they were no longer living up to their contracts (Newman, Williams, etc)
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Well we'll see about the cap.....because it's hurting us.
On another note...nice job by your Gators yesterday. Though I think my Tigers did better... |
Eih. I think we as fans get caught up in the numbers too much. I have yet to see us not land someone we wanted. The last was Scrabbles – which frankly seems like a blessing.
And seriously. It’s as if they hate being ranked in the top 5. “Oh, the world is looking at us? Sweet implode now.” Not really all that concerned though.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/06/team-by-team-cap-adjustments-for-2013/
The final Cap carry over numbers are in.
The Cowboys have put the paperwork in to carry over 2.33 Million from 2012 to 2013.
The Eagles had the most to carry over at whopping 23 Mil!! And the least amount at a staggering figure of 247,000 went to the Rams!
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The dirty birds of Philly have hired Billy Davis as there new DC!
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| textaz03 wrote: | | The dirty birds of Philly have hired Billy Davis as there new DC! |
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| textaz03 wrote: | | The dirty birds of Philly have hired Billy Davis as there new DC! |
I heard that they are looking to switch to the 3-4.
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| Desperado82 wrote: | | textaz03 wrote: | | The dirty birds of Philly have hired Billy Davis as there new DC! |
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lol is right. Davis has been mediocre at best. Shocked that Spags wasn't in the mix.
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| Football Mensa wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | We keep guys and give them bad contracts add to it that the Gmen have enough room under the cap to make these kinds of moves and Dallas is way over the cap. |
The Giants were actually over the cap last year, and needed the additional $ that they got from the Dal/Wash penalty to get under the cap. |
Yet still they have enough room to cut guys and move on. They are and have been a better run franchise this century.
When I said " the Gmen have enough room under the cap" , I didn't mean they were under the cap in dollars. I was referring to they had enough room under the cap guidelines to make necessary moves. Where as Dallas always seems to have their backs against the wall because of poor contract management. It's always restructuring or an extension for a player who isn't worth the production. |
And with a built in restructure and a couple cuts the Cowboys will be able to extend Romo and have $15-20m in cap space - so where's the difference?
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | We keep guys and give them bad contracts add to it that the Gmen have enough room under the cap to make these kinds of moves and Dallas is way over the cap. |
The Giants were actually over the cap last year, and needed the additional $ that they got from the Dal/Wash penalty to get under the cap. |
Yet still they have enough room to cut guys and move on. They are and have been a better run franchise this century.
When I said " the Gmen have enough room under the cap" , I didn't mean they were under the cap in dollars. I was referring to they had enough room under the cap guidelines to make necessary moves. Where as Dallas always seems to have their backs against the wall because of poor contract management. It's always restructuring or an extension for a player who isn't worth the production. |
And with a built in restructure and a couple cuts the Cowboys will be able to extend Romo and have $15-20m in cap space - so where's the difference? |
TY for making my point.
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| Football Mensa wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | We keep guys and give them bad contracts add to it that the Gmen have enough room under the cap to make these kinds of moves and Dallas is way over the cap. |
The Giants were actually over the cap last year, and needed the additional $ that they got from the Dal/Wash penalty to get under the cap. |
Yet still they have enough room to cut guys and move on. They are and have been a better run franchise this century.
When I said " the Gmen have enough room under the cap" , I didn't mean they were under the cap in dollars. I was referring to they had enough room under the cap guidelines to make necessary moves. Where as Dallas always seems to have their backs against the wall because of poor contract management. It's always restructuring or an extension for a player who isn't worth the production. |
And with a built in restructure and a couple cuts the Cowboys will be able to extend Romo and have $15-20m in cap space - so where's the difference? |
TY for making my point. |
Guess I may be dense, so I have to ask how is a built in restructure a bad thing?
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Football Mensa
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| WizardHawk wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Football Mensa wrote: | | We keep guys and give them bad contracts add to it that the Gmen have enough room under the cap to make these kinds of moves and Dallas is way over the cap. |
The Giants were actually over the cap last year, and needed the additional $ that they got from the Dal/Wash penalty to get under the cap. |
Yet still they have enough room to cut guys and move on. They are and have been a better run franchise this century.
When I said " the Gmen have enough room under the cap" , I didn't mean they were under the cap in dollars. I was referring to they had enough room under the cap guidelines to make necessary moves. Where as Dallas always seems to have their backs against the wall because of poor contract management. It's always restructuring or an extension for a player who isn't worth the production. |
And with a built in restructure and a couple cuts the Cowboys will be able to extend Romo and have $15-20m in cap space - so where's the difference? |
TY for making my point. |
Guess I may be dense, so I have to ask how is a built in restructure a bad thing? |
...restructure of any kind is still deferring and eventually you have to pay up...
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