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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: The Final Mock till Post Combine Reply with quote

Hotep Brothers,
This is my third and final Draft now…I mean we have put together a DREAM coaching staff….and now were about to transition to the hybrid 3-4…here we go.

HC: Chud
DC: Ray Horton
OC: Norv Turner
STC: We keep our young up and coming guy (Chris Tabor)

Now for FA….I have us only grabbing a couple. We have major Cap room and the Hasslem part of me opens the check book and gets us:

OFF:
1. Geoff Schwartz OG- Minn (3 year small deal): Chooses to come to Clev to play with his brother and complete the right side of our Oline
2. Greg Jennings WR – GB (good WR money, but not Fitz/Calvin Johnson money): The Vet Wr. That we need to come in and help our young corps.
3. Paul Kruger DE/OLB Baltimore (they cant pay EVERYBODY): With a ring in hand, Kruger looks for the payday….
4. Derrick Anderson QB- Car…for chud

NFL DRAFT
1. KC- Star Loutelli DT Utah
2. Jax- Dontrell Moore DE Tex AM
3. Oak-Bjoren Werner DE FSU
4. Phi- Luke Jockel LT Tex AM
5 Det- Dee Millner CB Alabama

1rst: Chance Warmack 6’2 322 OG AL
We address our need for a rush linebacker by grabbing Paul Kruger from Baltimore to bookend Jabal Sheard…which frees us to take to top player on the board at 6, a consensus top 3 player on all draft boards..nobody wants to pull the trigger on taking a G this high, but if he’s a 10 year probowl starter….

3rd David Amerson 6’3 194lb CB NCSU
We grab a CB with some size here, there is no way possible he would be available if it hadn’t been for a down Sr. year, where he played part of the year injured….let the NCAA in INT’s as a Soph. with 14.

4th TJ McDonald 6’2 211 So Cal
The son of one of the best safeties I ever saw in my life….SoCal had a down year this year at one point in time, this kid was rated as a potential first round pick. We grab our Center Fielder here and complete our defensive backfield

5th Gavin Escobar 6’5 255lbs TE SdSt.
A very understated TE in this pretty solid draft class of TE’s, still a work in progress as a blocker but nice hands, speeds and balance, reminds me of a Chris Cooley with a little more speed.

6th Tyran Manthieu 5’9 180lbs CB ex-LSU
Enough said….IF he’s here…we roll the dice. I would write more but just check this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gplm7S8YP7U
If not for Drug charges…this kid might be a first round pick.

6th(Eagles): Quanterus Smith 6’5 248lbs DE/OLB WKU
Before a knee injury was the nations sack leader…including a 3 sack performance against future 1rst/2nd round pick D.J. Fluker. Another player had it not been for the injury, he wouldn’t be available here.

7th Comp Joe Kruger 6-6 280lbs DE Utah
We grab Paul’s younger brother to come to Browns also, has the bloodlines and experience to help with the DE rotation.

7th Comp Willie Jefferson 6’6 239 DE/OLB/Slot CB Stephen F Austin
We take the former WR from Baylor….we have a pretty solid track record with WR from Baylor recently….but this kid looks very similarly to Deion Jordan

Priority UDFA
We grab a group of players and find one that fits, could get the punter we want by spending a draft pick…but when attempting to bolster offense AND converting to a 3-4 D….we have to use the Madden video game approach…with Punter and FB’s this year…

Punter group:
B. Wing P LSU (I expect him to be drafted)
Ryan Allen P LouTech.
Scott Kovanada P Ball State
Jackson Rice P Org. St.
We get our new Punter out of one of these two.

FB- Group
Branden Wilson 6-3 254 KSU
Taimi Tutogi 6’1 269 AZ
Tommy Bohanaon 6’1 247 WFU
Ronnie Wingo Jr. 6’2 232 RB/Arkansas (Convert)

Favorites to bring in:
Quienton Dial 6-5 318lbs DE Alabama (PURE 5Tech)

TE Jack Doyle 6’5 253 TE WKU
One of WKU all time leading receivers, can block and is an all around player and leader.

Larry Webster III 6’7 240 lbs DE/OLB/Slot CB Bloomsburg

Travis Johnson 6’3 244 DE/OLB San Jose State
(If he goes undrafted)

Eric Kush 6’4 305 C Cal(PA)
2 year pivot man but 4 year starter, who has experience at LT and C.

Kniles Davis 6’0 226lbs RB Arkansas
If he goes undrafted

Other UDFA to bring in
Luke Marquardt Azusa Pacific 6’9 322 OT
Ridge Wilson West Alabama 6’4 256lb OLB (UK transfer)
Jakar Hamilton FS SCSU 5’11 198 FS/SS/CB (UGA transfer)
Edmund Kugbila 6’5 347 OG Valdosta State

I think this lineup gets us in the playoffs next year….

QB: Weeden/McCoy/Anderson
RB: T-Rich/MoHard/Davis®
FB: Bohanaon®/Smelly
WR: Gordon/Little/Massiquoi
WR: Jennings/Benjamin/Cooper
TE: Cameron/ Escobar®/Doyle®
LT: Thomas/ Miller
OG: Warmack®/Greco
C: Mack/Kush®
OG: G.Schwartz/Luvao
RT: M.Schwartz/ Pinkston

DE: Taylor/J.Kruger®/Dial®
DT: Tuba/Hughs/Kitchen
DE: Winn/J.Kruger®/Dial®
OLB: Sheard/Smith®/Acho
MLB: Jackson/Carder
MLB: Gocong/Michael-Johnson
OLB: P.Kruger/Jefferson®/Acho
CB: Hayden/Mathiu®/Skrine
CB: Amerson®/Wade
FS: McDonald®/Gipson
SS: Ward/ Bademosi

PR/KR: Benjamin\Mathiu®
K- The Drill
P- Allen®

Comments, critiques...Threats? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get ready for the booo birds.

However I am one of the few that will like your draft- I have no problem taking Warmack- would rather get a pick with a trade back and grab him but will not burn down the building if we select him at 6.

I dont know if we will get a Greg Jennings to come to cleveland, so I would save the money , maybe bring in a lesser WR and maybe a DL that has played in the 30 front before.

My only disagreement in your offseason is your thought on the honey badger being a first round pick w/o the drugs... I still think he is good but more likely a 2nd round talent due to his height- Dude is short.

I give this a solid B+ offseason- (with jennings actually signing with us I would say an A)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a great assessment. I love Warmack just as much as any power football guy could. But when is the last time a guard was taken in the top ten? Thoughts?

I think I would rather take Jarvis Jones there, and pair him with kruger, and trade sheard for a first or second round pick, and pick up a guard with that pick... That is if sheard doesn't translate well to the 3-4... we shall see
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great draft... You addressed needs with great players and you were realistic about where people would go. I know people are going to kill you about a guard at 6, but like you said, we land the bpa at a position of need. As for FA... I could argue other people at the positions you picked but it is just a very solid mock. I wouldn't mind a FA FS for McDonald to learn from though... Good job!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DBs are bad and TE is really bad.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm trying to not like it because you took a G at pick 6 but I'm struggling to not like it.
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Dropkick_pride wrote:
DBs are bad and TE is really bad.


Actually I think his choices of Amerson and McDonald are not bad at all as they are both taller DBs that can both play. Looking at the other DBs who might be available at those spots I do not think these two are bad choices at all.

Mathieu at that point is also worth taking a flyer on and having him roam around in the Dime package would probably be alright and he brings some skill to the return game.

As faras the TE spot goes I would not say that Escobar is really bad either, although I think at that position I would prefer Dion Sims or Nick Kasa or maybe instead of Smith in the 6th, you pick up Michael Williams to play TE in the 6th and instead of Escobar in the 5th you could get William Gholston to play DE in the 3-4.

As far as Warmack goes, I love him as a player although 6 is a bit high and would love to trade down a d bit and get him, but if you think he is your guy and the BPA then I think you take him regardless of position unless the position is absolutely not a need, which I think we can all agree is not the case here.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to everybody for their critiques, I am saving this offline to consider in my final draft after the Combine.

Everyone knows I'm a huge fan of Dieon Jordan at 6.....
What I tried to do in this draft is go outside the box....it seems as if the group think had started to take over a bit....NOT SAYING ANYTHING Negative here, just an observation. All the Mock drafts for the longest...including MY first two was basically 2 schools of thought....
1. Which Passrusher (TexAm, Org, FSU)
OR
2. CB Alabama

Then one of the brothers started Mocking Star DT Utah in at our pick....IMO it was a nice thought....but in a draft like this (no QB rated in the top 5 AND no consensus LT...top Olineman may be a G) there is NO way that the top DT who may be the best player in the draft...slips to 6....

So I tried to go outside the box and OFF THE RESERVATION on this one....and go where no man had gone before with trying a different kind of thought process....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pruitt3443 wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
DBs are bad and TE is really bad.


Actually I think his choices of Amerson and McDonald are not bad at all as they are both taller DBs that can both play. Looking at the other DBs who might be available at those spots I do not think these two are bad choices at all.

Mathieu at that point is also worth taking a flyer on and having him roam around in the Dime package would probably be alright and he brings some skill to the return game.

As faras the TE spot goes I would not say that Escobar is really bad either, although I think at that position I would prefer Dion Sims or Nick Kasa or maybe instead of Smith in the 6th, you pick up Michael Williams to play TE in the 6th and instead of Escobar in the 5th you could get William Gholston to play DE in the 3-4.

As far as Warmack goes, I love him as a player although 6 is a bit high and would love to trade down a d bit and get him, but if you think he is your guy and the BPA then I think you take him regardless of position unless the position is absolutely not a need, which I think we can all agree is not the case here.


Funny enough you mention this....I worked LONG and hard on this one Laughing
But some of the final Alternate thought Process I had when finalizing this was.

1. Instead of Greg Jennings.....the big FA Wr pick up was Mike Wallace (he had a down year...after hold out, rep is not the best.....hurts a division rival, and he may have a chip on his shoulder about pitts and last but not least...Wallace Speed + Weeden's Arm......) but I decided on Greg Jennings as I think the Vet will help the development of our VERY young Wr coprs...since as you can tell cribbs is not on my final roster....so I figured the Vet over the younger player with a chip on his shoulder

The end of my draft went like this

5th DE/OLB Michale Buchanan Ill.
6th Honey Badger still
6th TE Michale Williams Alabama
7th DE Zach Dial DE Alabama
7th Jefferson still

But with taking Warmack in the first I didnt want to go Alabama crazy...and I also think Escobar is the more offensive TE than Williams, who I think is more of a blocker..and with taking a G in the 1rst I figured to get a more flex-move type TE to pair with Cameron to give Chud and Norv a pair of TE to play with (i.e. Patriots Gronk/Hernedez)

And taking Kruger if he's there I feel would be cool to pair with his brother....since my FA G is Scwhartz, I figure get a another set of Brothers on the D...since we would have a pair on O Very Happy
And also grabbing Dial, would have been my 3rd player from Alabama....
And with grabbing Trent and Smelly last year..that would make 5 Alabama players....and we'd have to be known as the Cleveland Brown Crimson Tide (which sounds like a Porno movie gone EXTREMELY WRONG LOL Laughing )

ROLL BROWNS!!!!! LOL

Just my thought process.... Smile
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I like the draft, but the FA is kinda hard for me to believe.
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brownie man wrote:
I like the draft, but the FA is kinda hard for me to believe.


Thank you for your comments on the draft
Just curious as to why you think FA's are hard to believe?

Greg Jennings is a 29 year old WR coming off an injury, and I think guys like Mike Wallace and Dewayne Bowe are going to be the top sought after targets..and then I think young guys like Brian Hartline, Ramases Barden and Johhny Knox are the next group.....I think the Vet Wr's will be next like Jennings, Welker and Dieon Branch are the next group up.....and we dont know who is going to be cut yet (Anquan Bolden is REPEATEDLY said to be just a matter of time before he's cut to save cap room).

And 2 getting Schwartz......who's brother already plays here AND who will be a G not named Andy levitre who is going to be the top OG avaliable.....what do you question about that?

And lastly getting Kruger....there are going to be rushers like Avril, Umenyoria, Freeney, Matt Shaughneessy, Michale Johnson (Cinn), Anthony Spencer and Shaun Philips available....so its not like Kruger is Mario Williams....why would we not be able to get Kruger also?

Possibly?

That's my thought process when I was writing this. Let me know your thoughts please? Smile
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DaWg_LB. wrote:
brownie man wrote:
I like the draft, but the FA is kinda hard for me to believe.


Thank you for your comments on the draft
Just curious as to why you think FA's are hard to believe?

Greg Jennings is a 29 year old WR coming off an injury, and I think guys like Mike Wallace and Dewayne Bowe are going to be the top sought after targets..and then I think young guys like Brian Hartline, Ramases Barden and Johhny Knox are the next group.....I think the Vet Wr's will be next like Jennings, Welker and Dieon Branch are the next group up.....and we dont know who is going to be cut yet (Anquan Bolden is REPEATEDLY said to be just a matter of time before he's cut to save cap room).

And 2 getting Schwartz......who's brother already plays here AND who will be a G not named Andy levitre who is going to be the top OG avaliable.....what do you question about that?

And lastly getting Kruger....there are going to be rushers like Avril, Umenyoria, Freeney, Matt Shaughneessy, Michale Johnson (Cinn), Anthony Spencer and Shaun Philips available....so its not like Kruger is Mario Williams....why would we not be able to get Kruger also?

Possibly?

That's my thought process when I was writing this. Let me know your thoughts please? Smile


I'm glad your receptive. Jennings is the signing that sticks out to me. I just dont see why he would turn down better situations such as Miami or being the new number 2 with a Team like Detroit and come here where its for sure hed have to at least battle Greg Little as the number 2. In Miami much better situation with a better QB, better environment, and better weather.

Kruger is more plausible, but even then itd be more from our standpoint we turn him down. I think he was more a product of the system then a true pass rusher. Id much rather sign a CB and draft my pass rusher, but that might just be me.
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brownie man wrote:
DaWg_LB. wrote:
brownie man wrote:
I like the draft, but the FA is kinda hard for me to believe.


Thank you for your comments on the draft
Just curious as to why you think FA's are hard to believe?

Greg Jennings is a 29 year old WR coming off an injury, and I think guys like Mike Wallace and Dewayne Bowe are going to be the top sought after targets..and then I think young guys like Brian Hartline, Ramases Barden and Johhny Knox are the next group.....I think the Vet Wr's will be next like Jennings, Welker and Dieon Branch are the next group up.....and we dont know who is going to be cut yet (Anquan Bolden is REPEATEDLY said to be just a matter of time before he's cut to save cap room).

And 2 getting Schwartz......who's brother already plays here AND who will be a G not named Andy levitre who is going to be the top OG avaliable.....what do you question about that?

And lastly getting Kruger....there are going to be rushers like Avril, Umenyoria, Freeney, Matt Shaughneessy, Michale Johnson (Cinn), Anthony Spencer and Shaun Philips available....so its not like Kruger is Mario Williams....why would we not be able to get Kruger also?

Possibly?

That's my thought process when I was writing this. Let me know your thoughts please? Smile


I'm glad your receptive. Jennings is the signing that sticks out to me. I just dont see why he would turn down better situations such as Miami or being the new number 2 with a Team like Detroit and come here where its for sure hed have to at least battle Greg Little as the number 2. In Miami much better situation with a better QB, better environment, and better weather.

Kruger is more plausible, but even then itd be more from our standpoint we turn him down. I think he was more a product of the system then a true pass rusher. Id much rather sign a CB and draft my pass rusher, but that might just be me.


I am very receptive...trust me I KNOW I'm not the smartest guy in the room Smile

But I can dig your comments and they are both are logical, thank you for the feeback
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DaWg_LB. wrote:
brownie man wrote:
DaWg_LB. wrote:
brownie man wrote:
I like the draft, but the FA is kinda hard for me to believe.


Thank you for your comments on the draft
Just curious as to why you think FA's are hard to believe?

Greg Jennings is a 29 year old WR coming off an injury, and I think guys like Mike Wallace and Dewayne Bowe are going to be the top sought after targets..and then I think young guys like Brian Hartline, Ramases Barden and Johhny Knox are the next group.....I think the Vet Wr's will be next like Jennings, Welker and Dieon Branch are the next group up.....and we dont know who is going to be cut yet (Anquan Bolden is REPEATEDLY said to be just a matter of time before he's cut to save cap room).

And 2 getting Schwartz......who's brother already plays here AND who will be a G not named Andy levitre who is going to be the top OG avaliable.....what do you question about that?

And lastly getting Kruger....there are going to be rushers like Avril, Umenyoria, Freeney, Matt Shaughneessy, Michale Johnson (Cinn), Anthony Spencer and Shaun Philips available....so its not like Kruger is Mario Williams....why would we not be able to get Kruger also?

Possibly?

That's my thought process when I was writing this. Let me know your thoughts please? Smile


I'm glad your receptive. Jennings is the signing that sticks out to me. I just dont see why he would turn down better situations such as Miami or being the new number 2 with a Team like Detroit and come here where its for sure hed have to at least battle Greg Little as the number 2. In Miami much better situation with a better QB, better environment, and better weather.

Kruger is more plausible, but even then itd be more from our standpoint we turn him down. I think he was more a product of the system then a true pass rusher. Id much rather sign a CB and draft my pass rusher, but that might just be me.


I am very receptive...trust me I KNOW I'm not the smartest guy in the room Smile

But I can dig your comments and they are both are logical, thank you for the feeback


As of right now, I am the smartest guy in the room!


I am also the only person in the room. We took a vote and I won.

Edit: the ghost of Nug was also in the room ( I didn't see him at first) and he voted for Dawgpoun8017 so I guess its a tie.
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Thomas5737 wrote:
DaWg_LB. wrote:
brownie man wrote:
DaWg_LB. wrote:
brownie man wrote:
I like the draft, but the FA is kinda hard for me to believe.


Thank you for your comments on the draft
Just curious as to why you think FA's are hard to believe?

Greg Jennings is a 29 year old WR coming off an injury, and I think guys like Mike Wallace and Dewayne Bowe are going to be the top sought after targets..and then I think young guys like Brian Hartline, Ramases Barden and Johhny Knox are the next group.....I think the Vet Wr's will be next like Jennings, Welker and Dieon Branch are the next group up.....and we dont know who is going to be cut yet (Anquan Bolden is REPEATEDLY said to be just a matter of time before he's cut to save cap room).

And 2 getting Schwartz......who's brother already plays here AND who will be a G not named Andy levitre who is going to be the top OG avaliable.....what do you question about that?

And lastly getting Kruger....there are going to be rushers like Avril, Umenyoria, Freeney, Matt Shaughneessy, Michale Johnson (Cinn), Anthony Spencer and Shaun Philips available....so its not like Kruger is Mario Williams....why would we not be able to get Kruger also?

Possibly?

That's my thought process when I was writing this. Let me know your thoughts please? Smile


I'm glad your receptive. Jennings is the signing that sticks out to me. I just dont see why he would turn down better situations such as Miami or being the new number 2 with a Team like Detroit and come here where its for sure hed have to at least battle Greg Little as the number 2. In Miami much better situation with a better QB, better environment, and better weather.

Kruger is more plausible, but even then itd be more from our standpoint we turn him down. I think he was more a product of the system then a true pass rusher. Id much rather sign a CB and draft my pass rusher, but that might just be me.


I am very receptive...trust me I KNOW I'm not the smartest guy in the room Smile

But I can dig your comments and they are both are logical, thank you for the feeback


As of right now, I am the smartest guy in the room!


I am also the only person in the room. We took a vote and I won.

Edit: the ghost of Nug was also in the room ( I didn't see him at first) and he voted for Dawgpoun8017 so I guess its a tie.




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