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nicfre2011


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys, Chiefs fan here...
Obviously there is a buzz that Romeo Crennel is being considered a candidate for your open defensive coordinator position. With the delay in selecting a defensive coordator, I would think that Sean Payton might have been targeting someone from either the Baltimore or San Francisco staff.

I can speak to Crennel as a defensive coordinator. He has a fundamentally sound system for what it is intended to do, but I think the 2-gap defensive scheme (essentially the Fairbanks-Bullough system) is become more and more outdated when you look at the spread offenses that dominant the NFL today. As you guys know, the 2-gap requires gap control along the defensive line and definitely puts an emphasis on gap control and run defense much more than pass rush pressure.

Glenn Dorsey was drafted by the previous regime and IMO was miscast as a 5-technique defensive end, but that position was much better for his skill set than a 2-gap controlling nose tackle. Even though the idea wasn't to get a pass rush from our ends, they still should have been able to push the pocket but neither Tyson Jackson nor Dorsey really provided any threat of a pass rush. That put more focus on Tamba Hali and Justin Houston to limit their impact in rushing the passer.

The area I did see Crennel sort of depart from was the exclusive use of the traditional big-bodied linebackers. Derrick Johnson has really blossomed in the 3-4 at ILB but definitely is more of a rangy, sideline-to-sideline defender. He has been used more in attacking the LOS and made quite a few plays for us in run defense behind the line of scrimmage. Derrick Johnson is probably around 240 lbs. or so and has never been known as a linebacker that takes on blocks but has definitely improved in that area.

Also, at the other inside linebacker spot, Jovan Belcher was our starter. Obviously he is more well known for the murder-suicide tragedy, but he was an average to slightly above average starter for us. Belcher was basically one of those players you can live with starting but if given the opportunity to upgrade you definitely consider it. And Belcher was lighter than Johnson at probably around 230 lbs. or so. Belcher was however more physical than his size would suggest and he was more adept at taking on blockers than many expected.

My issue with Crennel's defense, and the Fairbanks-Bullough system in general is that it really limits the players you have that can pressure the quarterback as the defensive ends (outside of Richard Seymour who was definitely the exception to the rule for 2-gap 5-tech defensive ends) don't get pressure and really aren't much of a threat as even putting pressure on the quarterback outside of coverage credited pressure.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I kind of hope we get someone fresh. I know Crennel is skilled at running a 3-4 D, but I want someone young and hungry for success. Tomsula is the guy I really want.


I am getting higher and higher on Tomsula as well. But I certainly wouldn't mind Crennel.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

navysaintsfan wrote:
Canadian Saint wrote:
I kind of hope we get someone fresh. I know Crennel is skilled at running a 3-4 D, but I want someone young and hungry for success. Tomsula is the guy I really want.


I am getting higher and higher on Tomsula as well. But I certainly wouldn't mind Crennel.


I'm with you NavyMan... I want Tomsula but will be happy with Crennel but either way both are defensive line coaches by trade and the development of Hicks and Jordan is the key to this unit in my opinion. I also wouldn't rule out the idea of drafting another quality D-Lineman like Shariff Floyd or Sheldon Richardson at 15 if one of these two guys end up getting the job.

I think the superbowl showed that it all starts with those big boys up front.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomsula
Butler
Monnachino
The Rat (Mangini)
Donatell
Crennel

That's my rankings for who I want.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spartica4Real wrote:
Tomsula
Butler
Monnachino
The Rat (Mangini)
Donatell
Crennel

That's my rankings for who I want.


1. Keith Butler: Likely won't leave Pittsburgh.
2. Jim Tomsula: I'm figuring San Fran will refuse to let him interview.
3. Ted Monachino: A likely target for Saints but also Eagles.
4. Romeo Crennel: Experienced coach with the backing of Parcells.
5. Darren Perry: Darkhorse, likely won't get a sniff but should.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whodatworm23 wrote:
Spartica4Real wrote:
Tomsula
Butler
Monnachino
The Rat (Mangini)
Donatell
Crennel

That's my rankings for who I want.


1. Keith Butler: Likely won't leave Pittsburgh.
2. Jim Tomsula: I'm figuring San Fran will refuse to let him interview.
3. Ted Monachino: A likely target for Saints but also Eagles.
4. Romeo Crennel: Experienced coach with the backing of Parcells.
5. Darren Perry: Darkhorse, likely won't get a sniff but should.


1. Good point heir apparent to LeBeau
2. If it's for a higher coaching position, such as DC I don't think they can refuse as IIRC he's not Asst. DC, but even then you add in Asst. HC to get around that.
3. Tough battle
4. Yup
5. Who?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raves wrote:
whodatworm23 wrote:
Spartica4Real wrote:
Tomsula
Butler
Monnachino
The Rat (Mangini)
Donatell
Crennel

That's my rankings for who I want.


1. Keith Butler: Likely won't leave Pittsburgh.
2. Jim Tomsula: I'm figuring San Fran will refuse to let him interview.
3. Ted Monachino: A likely target for Saints but also Eagles.
4. Romeo Crennel: Experienced coach with the backing of Parcells.
5. Darren Perry: Darkhorse, likely won't get a sniff but should.


1. Good point heir apparent to LeBeau
2. If it's for a higher coaching position, such as DC I don't think they can refuse as IIRC he's not Asst. DC, but even then you add in Asst. HC to get around that.
3. Tough battle
4. Yup
5. Who?


The 49ers do have the right to refuse their assistants to interview even for promotions unless its for a HC job.

Darren Perry is the DB/Safety's coach for the Green Bay Packers... Has literally grown up in the 34 defense. Was a probowl safety for the Steelers, Played and coached under Dic Lebeau and Dom Capers. Has been a major influence on the play and development of the Packer DB's and when he was the DB coach of the Raiders, had one of the best secondarys in the NFL.

He's ready... just a name that needs more exposure.
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whodatworm23 wrote:
Ray Lewis has a cushy gig lined up at ESPN already, anyway I personally don't want him anywhere around this team.

Just my opinion but I feel Toomer got it right about Lewis and until Lewis is ready to answer the hard questions instead of giving these phony comments

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@evansilva: #Saints RT @Gil_Brandt I'm hearing Rob Ryan and Romeo Crennel are @Saints top DC choices to run 3-4.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FLOODx wrote:
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@evansilva: #Saints RT @Gil_Brandt I'm hearing Rob Ryan and Romeo Crennel are @Saints top DC choices to run 3-4.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FLOODx wrote:
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@evansilva: #Saints RT @Gil_Brandt I'm hearing Rob Ryan and Romeo Crennel are @Saints top DC choices to run 3-4.


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Dear holy father... NOT ROB RYAN!!!

Not surprising though, always figured Payton would want an experienced coach but if these are the choices please go with Crennel!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't want either one, but I really don't want Ryan.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My heart sank a few weeks ago when I saw the Ryan and Rams talk fell through, because I knew it means we had a shot at him.

Blech.

I'm still holding out for a 49ers or Ravens staff member. It makes no sense to wait until after the Super Bowl if we were just going to take Ryan or Crennel.
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tylerdouglass wrote:
My heart sank a few weeks ago when I saw the Ryan and Rams talk fell through, because I knew it means we had a shot at him.

Blech.

I'm still holding out for a 49ers or Ravens staff member. It makes no sense to wait until after the Super Bowl if we were just going to take Ryan or Crennel.


Rumors were that Crennel might retire... thinking now that maybe Payton has ben trying to talk him into coaching and if he's unsuccessful then Ryan is his fallback.

I mean don't get me wrong, Ryan can coach defnse but he's a head case and I thought after Williams, Payton would be done with all that nonsense.
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whodatworm23 wrote:
tylerdouglass wrote:
My heart sank a few weeks ago when I saw the Ryan and Rams talk fell through, because I knew it means we had a shot at him.

Blech.

I'm still holding out for a 49ers or Ravens staff member. It makes no sense to wait until after the Super Bowl if we were just going to take Ryan or Crennel.


Rumors were that Crennel might retire... thinking now that maybe Payton has ben trying to talk him into coaching and if he's unsuccessful then Ryan is his fallback.


Hopefully Ryan is mad at Payton for showing no interest in the Dallas job and won't hear him out?

I can dream, can't I?
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