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HitStickAllDay


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaep's delivery may be unorthodox, but he's got an absolute cannon for an arm and doesn't make too many mistakes. He is definitely a QB in this league. Not top 10 yet, but give him a few years and he'll be ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
These guys are definitely better than Kaepernick:

Brees
Rodgers
Brady
Flacco
Manning
Manning
Roethlisberger
Ryan



These guys are definitely worse than Kaepernick

Vick
Weeden
Sanchez
Fitzpatrick
Ponder
Tannehill
Bradford
Cassell
Kolb
Freeman
Dalton
Palmer
Gabbert
Locker




I think Kaepernick is in the glut of QBs with
Cutler
Stafford
Luck
Wilson
Griffin III
Romo
Newton
Schaub
Rivers


I agree with this. I don't see any reason Kaepernick can't be considered the 9th or 10 best QB in the league. He's at least in the discussion.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worm Guts wrote:
Klomp wrote:
These guys are definitely better than Kaepernick:

Brees
Rodgers
Brady
Flacco
Manning
Manning
Roethlisberger
Ryan



These guys are definitely worse than Kaepernick

Vick
Weeden
Sanchez
Fitzpatrick
Ponder
Tannehill
Bradford
Cassell
Kolb
Freeman
Dalton
Palmer
Gabbert
Locker




I think Kaepernick is in the glut of QBs with
Cutler
Stafford
Luck
Wilson
Griffin III
Romo
Newton
Schaub
Rivers


I agree with this. I don't see any reason Kaepernick can't be considered the 9th or 10 best QB in the league. He's at least in the discussion.


I have him around #14-15 in the league, and like many of the Zone Read QB's, I think we are going to see them struggle some next year so he might drop a little bit, simply because there are so many zone read teams now that NFL defenses are going to figure it out and shut it down.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slept through the entire game. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd put Kaepernick right at #10, with potential being a factor.

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Joe Flacco
3. Tom Brady
4. Eli Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Matt Ryan
7. Peyton Manning
8. Russell Wilson
9. Andrew Luck
10. Colin Kaepernick
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

husker_vikes3 wrote:
VikeADunn wrote:
Nzd07 wrote:
No ring for Moss Crying or Very sad


That POS McKinnie gets one
And Birk.


I don't understand why people care about McKinnie getting a ring. I was never that emotionally invested enough in him to really care one way or the other. He had a good run with the Vikings...certainly was a bonehead and did lots of stupid things (like the nightclub incident in Miami, the Love Boat, and the Pro Bowl stupidity), but there certainly have been bigger letdowns (and bigger distractions) of players that have worn the Vikings' uni.

As far as Kaepernick, he's a good QB with good potential, but I find it very difficult to put him in the top 10 right now. He shows pretty good decision-making and I think he can develop beyond the read-option nonsense, but I'd have to see him consistently put a little more touch on the ball. He shows it at times, but other times, he puts way too much power on the ball when it's not necessary, so it can get away from him.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SemperFeist wrote:
I'd put Kaepernick right at #10, with potential being a factor.

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Joe Flacco
3. Tom Brady
4. Eli Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Matt Ryan
7. Peyton Manning
8. Russell Wilson
9. Andrew Luck
10. Colin Kaepernick


you factor in potential but you don't have RGIII?

I'd take Locker over Kap.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

twslhs20 wrote:
SemperFeist wrote:
I'd put Kaepernick right at #10, with potential being a factor.

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Joe Flacco
3. Tom Brady
4. Eli Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Matt Ryan
7. Peyton Manning
8. Russell Wilson
9. Andrew Luck
10. Colin Kaepernick


you factor in potential but you don't have RGIII?

I'd take Locker over Kap.

I don't like RG3 because of his injury history. Something, it appears, will be a problem for him going forward.

And Locker, are you serious? What has he done to show that he even belongs as a starter?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SemperFeist wrote:
twslhs20 wrote:
SemperFeist wrote:
I'd put Kaepernick right at #10, with potential being a factor.

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Joe Flacco
3. Tom Brady
4. Eli Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Matt Ryan
7. Peyton Manning
8. Russell Wilson
9. Andrew Luck
10. Colin Kaepernick


you factor in potential but you don't have RGIII?

I'd take Locker over Kap.

I don't like RG3 because of his injury history. Something, it appears, will be a problem for him going forward.

And Locker, are you serious? What has he done to show that he even belongs as a starter?


How is 1 injury history? He didn't have a "history" at Baylor.

I'll first point out that the weapons he has in Tenn suck something awful. Locker has batted a ton of injuries because he gets hit every other play, and he played through a lot of them. Locker is tough as nails. He has no OL outside of Roos. If the titans knew how to draft he would be a top 15 QB.
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twslhs20 wrote:


How is 1 injury history? He didn't have a "history" at Baylor.

Yeas because that ACL tear in college, the same knee he just shredded, magically went away. Not to mention the concerns over the reports about the cartilage being gone, and now having to deal with a bone on bone joint.

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I'll first point out that the weapons he has in Tenn suck something awful. Locker has batted a ton of injuries because he gets hit every other play, and he played through a lot of them. Locker is tough as nails. He has no OL outside of Roos. If the titans knew how to draft he would be a top 15 QB.

Locker gets hit a lot because he doesn't get rid of the ball, and being tough is great. But when you can't even complete 57% of your passes, your footwork is beyond terrible, and your pocket awareness is non existent, you aren't a good quarterback, and it isn't because his receiving corps is below average.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vikefan79 wrote:
Slept through the entire game. Laughing


Really dude? The 1st half was boring but in the 2nd half, it ended up being a pretty good Superbowl, shame you missed it
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SemperFeist wrote:
twslhs20 wrote:


How is 1 injury history? He didn't have a "history" at Baylor.

Yeas because that ACL tear in college, the same knee he just shredded, magically went away. Not to mention the concerns over the reports about the cartilage being gone, and now having to deal with a bone on bone joint.

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I'll first point out that the weapons he has in Tenn suck something awful. Locker has batted a ton of injuries because he gets hit every other play, and he played through a lot of them. Locker is tough as nails. He has no OL outside of Roos. If the titans knew how to draft he would be a top 15 QB.

Locker gets hit a lot because he doesn't get rid of the ball, and being tough is great. But when you can't even complete 57% of your passes, your footwork is beyond terrible, and your pocket awareness is non existent, you aren't a good quarterback, and it isn't because his receiving corps is below average.


While I did forget about the ACL it isn't a big deal in this day and age. ACLs are more common, and yet, the recovery time is less along with not being a huge effect on that knee in terms of cutting and planting on that leg.

Look at Lockers stats. He's only -3 in his turnover ratio. Not including his rushing stats. His game stats are really good before he hurt his shoulder.

Griffin was a +12
Kap a +5
Ponder +1

Skins, 9ers, Vikings are all heads and tails better than Tenn.

Nothing wrong with Lockers footwork.. I'd be surprised if Locker had more than 3 seconds to throw the ball all year.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disaacs wrote:

I don't understand why people care about McKinnie getting a ring. I was never that emotionally invested enough in him to really care one way or the other. He had a good run with the Vikings...certainly was a bonehead and did lots of stupid things (like the nightclub incident in Miami, the Love Boat, and the Pro Bowl stupidity), but there certainly have been bigger letdowns (and bigger distractions) of players that have worn the Vikings' uni..


I think people are upset that he essentially ate his way to a Super Bowl.
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By the way, did anyone notice that Ravens player shoving a ref? You know, the same infraction that got Harrison Smith ejected?

SB rules I guess.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kellerman wrote:
By the way, did anyone notice that Ravens player shoving a ref? You know, the same infraction that got Harrison Smith ejected?

SB rules I guess.


Smith grabbed the ref, he didnt shove him like Cary Williams did. Williams was going for a 49er player I assume but a ref took it. Perhaps since it was the super bowl they let it go?
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