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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BlackandBlue wrote:
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So just so I get this straight:

The league MVP led his offense to the 14th rank in points per game? And that's including the points provided by special teams and defense (the Vikes are near the top of the league in that regard). THAT's the MVP?

The award is a joke.


Who do you think is more deserving?


I saw nearly every NFC North game last year: there is no way anyone can tell me Peterson contributed more to winning games than Aaron Rodgers did..


Not only this, but no matter how you try to spin it, QB's do more for their team up and down then RB's do.

4,000+ yards > 2000+ yards
30+ Td's > 10+

They are responsible for 2x the production and making sure everyone on the field is ready to properly execute their assignment. That's why you see them win it more often than not.

AP didn't do anything this season we haven't seen done/approached 3 times in the last decade. He had more yards than CJ and Lewis, but they also scored more. Their seasons were just as impressive.


Well is there a QB that really was head and shoulders above the competition?

And guys, why are you convinced AD got the votes because of what he did for his team? It seems to me he got the votes because he had a season where he destroyed the competition at his position.


Then that wouldn't be the MVP really. That sounds like something that All-Pro selections basically indictate.


Well if QBs are clearly more valuable than RBs, why have the voters gotten it wrong so many times?

Is the problem that the voters dont understand what the award is? Or is the problem that the fans dont understand what the award is? Or is it both?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackandBlue wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
smetana34 wrote:
BlackandBlue wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
BlackandBlue wrote:
So just so I get this straight:

The league MVP led his offense to the 14th rank in points per game? And that's including the points provided by special teams and defense (the Vikes are near the top of the league in that regard). THAT's the MVP?

The award is a joke.


Who do you think is more deserving?


I saw nearly every NFC North game last year: there is no way anyone can tell me Peterson contributed more to winning games than Aaron Rodgers did..


Not only this, but no matter how you try to spin it, QB's do more for their team up and down then RB's do.

4,000+ yards > 2000+ yards
30+ Td's > 10+

They are responsible for 2x the production and making sure everyone on the field is ready to properly execute their assignment. That's why you see them win it more often than not.

AP didn't do anything this season we haven't seen done/approached 3 times in the last decade. He had more yards than CJ and Lewis, but they also scored more. Their seasons were just as impressive.


Well is there a QB that really was head and shoulders above the competition?

And guys, why are you convinced AD got the votes because of what he did for his team? It seems to me he got the votes because he had a season where he destroyed the competition at his position.


Watt obliterated his competition. He led the league in every relevant defensive statistical category, not just his position. It'd be the equivalent of AP leading the league in yards from scrimmage, yards per carry, and touchdowns.


I agree. But what does that have to do with what I said about the voters and their reasons?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well if QBs are clearly more valuable than RBs, why have the voters gotten it wrong so many times?

Is the problem that the voters dont understand what the award is? Or is the problem that the fans dont understand what the award is? Or is it both?


It's the voters. They don't consistently award the MVP to allow people to get a grasp on what their real criteria are.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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J Pep 4 Step wrote:


Well if QBs are clearly more valuable than RBs, why have the voters gotten it wrong so many times?

Is the problem that the voters dont understand what the award is? Or is the problem that the fans dont understand what the award is? Or is it both?


It's the voters. They don't consistently award the MVP to allow people to get a grasp on what their real criteria are.


Fair enough. But if there clearly isnt a consistent criteria, why do I see people every year argue that there is, and the voters got it wrong?

I think the only thing they have shown consistently is that they dont vote for who they think is "most valuable to his team." Which is something a lot of people cling to. It is clearly far, far more statistical in nature. Far less in depth.
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J Pep 4 Step wrote:
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J Pep 4 Step wrote:


Well if QBs are clearly more valuable than RBs, why have the voters gotten it wrong so many times?

Is the problem that the voters dont understand what the award is? Or is the problem that the fans dont understand what the award is? Or is it both?


It's the voters. They don't consistently award the MVP to allow people to get a grasp on what their real criteria are.


Fair enough. But if there clearly isnt a consistent criteria, why do I see people every year argue that there is, and the voters got it wrong?

I think the only thing they have shown consistently is that they dont vote for who they think is "most valuable to his team." Which is something a lot of people cling to. It is clearly far, far more statistical in nature. Far less in depth.


I hope that's true because I think that's the worst interpretation of the award.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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J Pep 4 Step wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:


Well if QBs are clearly more valuable than RBs, why have the voters gotten it wrong so many times?

Is the problem that the voters dont understand what the award is? Or is the problem that the fans dont understand what the award is? Or is it both?


It's the voters. They don't consistently award the MVP to allow people to get a grasp on what their real criteria are.


Fair enough. But if there clearly isnt a consistent criteria, why do I see people every year argue that there is, and the voters got it wrong?

I think the only thing they have shown consistently is that they dont vote for who they think is "most valuable to his team." Which is something a lot of people cling to. It is clearly far, far more statistical in nature. Far less in depth.


I hope that's true because I think that's the worst interpretation of the award.


Dont you think the award would be so much better if it was streamlined? Just give it to "the dominator." At any position. With any record. The dude who just blew it up.

It would be so much more interesting.

I know I am beating a dead horse. I guess I am bored.
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Dont you think the award would be so much better if it was streamlined? Just give it to "the dominator." At any position. With any record. The dude who just blew it up.

It would be so much more interesting.

I know I am beating a dead horse. I guess I am bored.


I'm ok with awarding as a 'most outstanding player' type of ideal. I disagree with the domination over peers slightly though because that is very, very dependent on the quality of peers at position groups. For instance, there's a high volume of HOF QBs right now. Doesn't make any of them less outstanding or valuable, but it certainly decreases the odds of one dominating the rest.
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J Pep 4 Step wrote:


Dont you think the award would be so much better if it was streamlined? Just give it to "the dominator." At any position. With any record. The dude who just blew it up.

It would be so much more interesting.

I know I am beating a dead horse. I guess I am bored.


I'm ok with awarding as a 'most outstanding player' type of ideal. I disagree with the domination over peers slightly though because that is very, very dependent on the quality of peers at position groups. For instance, there's a high volume of HOF QBs right now. Doesn't make any of them less outstanding or valuable, but it certainly decreases the odds of one dominating the rest.


I'm not married to the idea of the domination being relative to ones peers. Just want to see it go to the guy that kicked the most [inappropriate/removed]. That's how I envision the award. Thats how I think it was originally intended as well.
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I'm not married to the idea of the domination being relative to ones peers. Just want to see it go to the guy that kicked the most [inappropriate/removed]. That's how I envision the award. Thats how I think it was originally intended as well.


Instead of DPOY, have a BAMF award.
Instead of OPOY, have an assassin award.

Get rid of MVP. Then there's no disappointment when defensive players never win, and there's no double award for MVP/OPOY or a 2nd place offensive player award.

Seems logical, so it probably won't happen.
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I'm not married to the idea of the domination being relative to ones peers. Just want to see it go to the guy that kicked the most [inappropriate/removed]. That's how I envision the award. Thats how I think it was originally intended as well.


Instead of DPOY, have a BAMF award.
Instead of OPOY, have an assassin award.

Get rid of MVP. Then there's no disappointment when defensive players never win, and there's no double award for MVP/OPOY or a 2nd place offensive player award.

Seems logical, so it probably won't happen.


I like that idea even better.
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Well deserved.

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So if a team goes 1-15, but their RB gets 5000 yards and 40 td's [yes, his team's defense is REALLY bad], he wouldn't be up for discussion as MVP? Find that hard to believe.

He wouldn't, because if he were truly valuable then he would have led the team to much more than just one win
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Watt obliterated his competition. He led the league in every relevant defensive statistical category, not just his position. It'd be the equivalent of AP leading the league in yards from scrimmage, yards per carry, and touchdowns.

Well, he was 400 yards over the next person, tied with Spiller in yards per carry(on 141 more attempts), 3rd in TDS, 15 more 20+ yard runs then the next best(2nd place only had 12).

I'd say that's obliterating his competition.
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TKWSNx93 wrote:
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So if a team goes 1-15, but their RB gets 5000 yards and 40 td's [yes, his team's defense is REALLY bad], he wouldn't be up for discussion as MVP? Find that hard to believe.

He wouldn't, because if he were truly valuable then he would have led the team to much more than just one win


You want him to play defense too then?
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IDOG_det wrote:
This would be Calvin if we actually won games. Sad


Lack of touchdowns hurts his chances more than the win-loss column.
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