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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject: Daintrain28's Mock Offseason 2013v.15.0 Reply with quote

Sorry for the plethora of mocks, but I think we are really close to another SB. If we play our cards right 2013 could be our year.

Hence, I am making these mocks in eager anticipation of the actual draft.

Enjoy!

Scenario:
~We are awarded a 4th round compensatory pick for Matt Flynn

Released/Not resigned/Retired:
~Greg Jennings: Tagged and traded for a 2nd Round pick
~Cedric Benson
~Jeff Saturday

Resigned:
~Evan Dietrich Smith


~Sam Shields


~Erik Walden


~Tom Crabtree


Free Agency:
~Steven Jackson RB St. Louis Rams


Still think this guy is gonna be cheap and still think he has some tread left on the tires. I think he could give GB a big time spark both as a receiver and a runner. If you believe the rumors that TT has tried many times to acquire Jackson, one has to think he’ll make a move for him now that he is a FA.

I honestly think he'll be the missing piece for us.

The Draft:
With the 26th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State
6’4” 325 lbs. 5.18/40


Once thought to be a pipedream, now appears to be a real possibility. The teams directly ahead of us need WR help and with Terrance Williams and Keenan Allen both expected to be there, that could leave Hankins as our guy.

What isn’t there to like about this guy? He's a monster in every definition of the word. Athletic, nimble, powerful and strong. Versatile as the day as long and can play all three spots along our DL. Amply suited for both pass rushing and run stuffing. Really, if this guy falls to us, it is about as good as it gets.

The coup de gras we are all hoping for.

With the 44th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
J.J. Wilcox S Georgia Southern
5’11” 214 lbs. 4.58/40


Under the radar guy who could completely take the NFL by storm. Unbelievable athlete that played RB, Return Specialist and WR before being moved to S this season. He’s only played one year at the position at a small school and is still learning the position. Yet, his play has propelled him to a 2nd round pick!

Probably will have to sit on the bench for a year or two, but when he figures it out, look out!

Might end up being the biggest steal of the entire draft.

With the 60th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Logan Ryan CB Rutgers
6’0” 190 lbs. 4.49/40


Ryan had a very impressive Senior season. He held up well in man-to-man coverage and played at a high level. Fits the bill of the classic TT CB, tall, long arms, and can run.

Currently has a 1st round grade, but with so many CBs in this draft with similar grades quite a few are gonna fall to the 2nd. I’m gonna say Rhoades and Amerson’s height, weight and speed combos make them more attractive to other teams and we reap the benefits.

With the 90th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Omoregie Uzzi C/G Georgia Tech
6’3” 300 lbs. 5.25/40


I love this prospect! He would be such a good fit in Green Bay!

Fast, athletic and tailor-made for the ZBS, but unlike most ZBS OL prospects, he is as nasty as they come. Definitely brings attitude to the OL and that’s why I think he would do wonders for our line.

Played G in college, but many think he will play C in the NFL. The flexibility gives us options and that’s never a bad thing. Probably rides the bench this year, but after that he could be scary good, either as a C or G.

With the 126th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Gavin Escobar TE San Diego State
6’6” 255 lbs. 4.69/40


I get a feeling about this guy and I would love to see him in GB. Great size, speed and hands. Flashed greatness at San Diego St. on a pretty mediocre team. I know he needs some polish, but he could end up being the man.

Sits behind Finley on a bench for a year and then takes over.

With the 134th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Tarvarres King WR Georgia
6’1” 191 lbs. 4.49/40


Everyone has us taking a WR early. With Nelson, Cobb and JJ, I dunno if I see the logic in investing a high DP on a 4th string WR. I think we can afford to take a mid round prospect we can develop.

Constant deep threat that excels at breaking tackles and picking up YAC. Should be a great fit in the Green 'n Gold.

With the 164th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
A.J. Klein ILB Iowa State
6’2” 244 lbs. 4.71/40


Athletic, tackling machine, who should fit the bill of the “thumper” LB next to Bishop.

With the 182nd pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Braden Wilson FB Kansas State
6’4” 254 lbs. 4.81/40


Some depth at FB could be used and Wilson is the best lead blocker in the country. We seem to struggle in short yardage situations, and the thought of giving Kuhn the ball and putting Wilson in as a blocker might remedy this problem.

Additionally, he is a decent receiver outta the backfield.

With the 210th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select...
Dustin Hopkins K Florida State
6’2” 190 lbs.


Consistent 75% FG kicker in college has hit beyond 50 yards several times throughout his career. A good prospect to challenge Crosby for his starting job.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Daintrain28's Mock Offseason 2013v.15.0 Reply with quote

I don't understand the hype with hankins at all. Watch his tape. He's slow, doesn't seem overly athletic and rarely gets any push. I wouldn't touch him before the 3rd. I really don't see anything special with him. I'd rather go with Datone Jones.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it.
Switch Kelce for Escobar. Need more muscle at TE.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Daintrain28's Mock Offseason 2013v.15.0 Reply with quote

ajhawk5047 wrote:
I don't understand the hype with hankins at all. Watch his tape. He's slow, doesn't seem overly athletic and rarely gets any push. I wouldn't touch him before the 3rd. I really don't see anything special with him.


Question What?!?!?!

Did you watch one bad game on him or something? The guy makes tackles all over the field. Look at the game against Cal. 10 tackles, 1 sack, ran down a WR on a screen. To say he's slow is silly. To say he gets pushed around is even more silly. He consistently beats double teams and usually uses a bull rush to do that.

Seriously, did you just watch a bad game? Cause honestly, that doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
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GreenMeansGo wrote:
I like it.
Switch Kelce for Escobar. Need more muscle at TE.


Thanks, actually I think this is my best mock of the year. Not to quivel, but I think Crabtree fits the bill as a "muscle TE". We need a guy we can essentially use like a bigger WR like Finley. I can't put my finger on it, but I just get a feeling on Escobar.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solid draft.

Love Sjax. Really hope TT takes a chance on him. Not sure about signing any FA in this offseason tho..

What I like:
Love Hankins. He's a stud.
Like Ryan
Escobar is good
Agree with you on WR being picked up later rather than earlier.. King could be a good prospect
LOVE Klien. Packer prospect right there
I like that you address FB and Wilson is a big dude who we could probably stash on the PS and promote once Kuhn leaves.

What I don't care for:
Wilcox kind of blindsided me. Not sure I like taking a chance on an unknown that high. I really don't know anything about him though and I've found a few articles that say he's a good player and impressed during the Senior Bowl so I could be in the wrong. Either way good find.
Really like Uzzi! I was considering putting him in my last mock. I like everything he brings to the table especially the physicality. The 3rd seems a little high for him though.
Don't think TT wastes a pick on a Kicker. He values his picks too much and stuck with Crosby for a reason. More likely than not we bring in a FA or PFA to push him in TC.

Overall really good mock! I like!
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The Kuhn wrote:
Solid draft.

Love Sjax. Really hope TT takes a chance on him. Not sure about signing any FA in this offseason tho..

What I like:
Love Hankins. He's a stud.
Like Ryan
Escobar is good
Agree with you on WR being picked up later rather than earlier.. King could be a good prospect
LOVE Klien. Packer prospect right there
I like that you address FB and Wilson is a big dude who we could probably stash on the PS and promote once Kuhn leaves.

What I don't care for:
Wilcox kind of blindsided me. Not sure I like taking a chance on an unknown that high. I really don't know anything about him though and I've found a few articles that say he's a good player and impressed during the Senior Bowl so I could be in the wrong. Either way good find.
Really like Uzzi! I was considering putting him in my last mock. I like everything he brings to the table especially the physicality. The 3rd seems a little high for him though.
Don't think TT wastes a pick on a Kicker. He values his picks too much and stuck with Crosby for a reason. More likely than not we bring in a FA or PFA to push him in TC.

Overall really good mock! I like!


Thanks for the kind words and the constructive criticism.

~Wilcox is definitely a high risk-high reward prospect, but with a McMillian developing we are allowed the freedom to go for a guy who could be a difference maker. I love prospects who have no clue what they are doing and still find ways to be productive. That is Wilcox. If he can play only one year of ball and manage to be a 2nd round prospect, imagine what he'll be once our coaching staff gets ahold of him! Shocked
~I'm not sure what you are seeing on Uzzi, I'm seeing a pretty consistent 3rd round grade on the guy. Keep in mind also this is a late 3rd round pick I'm taking him with. I love the attitude he plays with and we need some more nasty to our OL. Don't forget though he's got a great size, speed and athleticism combo.
~You may be right about a K.
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I'm not a big fan of Hankins. Inconsistent is putting it nicely. His play and effort are both wildly up and down. Maybe that can be "fixed" but I prefer to stay away from flawed prospects like that. I see the upside, but I definitely have to consider this a pretty major "gamble" pick

Not a fan of a project player at S. At other postions on defense it's OK, but I have a problem with it for alot of the same reasons I wouldn't have wanted to be a part of drafting Tannehill last year. S is so much about reads and adjustments, it's a position I really want players to have a great "feel" for. If he hits, sure this kid could be really good. I like the ability, I don't like the "project".

With Ryan, I like the prospect, I'm just not sure I see the value. With Williams, Hayward, Shields, and House, he'll have an uphill climb to crack the top 5 CB.

If you list Uzzi as a G I like him more than as a C. I haven't seen anything of him playing C before even though a ton are projecting him there. As an interior swing backup guy, he fits fine.

Escobar is good value at this point. I'd rather address TE earlier with this draft class, rather than count on anything from Finley, but that's just my view on it.

I like King, but before you write off a WR early, look at the contract situations at WR. Jones is a FA after 2013. Nelson and Cobb will both be FAs after 2014. Considering it generally takes WR at least 1-2 seasons to start hitting their stride, it might be time to consider it more of a priority. Including Finley, no primary pass catcher is signed for more than 2 seasons.

I like Klien as a depth/ST pick but don't think he'll develop into an NFL starter.

I don't see a power type FB as really working with this offense, but if that's what you want, Wilson could be a good one.

Don't think we need to draft a K, but I agree with bringing in competition for Crosby.

Overall it's a draft high on athletic ability but with a lot of project picks and that generally worries me. If everything hit it could be an amazing draft class, but if you miss, you get not much in returns.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spill, thanks for your thoughts.

spilltray wrote:
I'm not a big fan of Hankins. Inconsistent is putting it nicely. His play and effort are both wildly up and down. Maybe that can be "fixed" but I prefer to stay away from flawed prospects like that. I see the upside, but I definitely have to consider this a pretty major "gamble" pick


See, it's hard for me to take these complaints seriously because I remember the same things said about BJ Raji in 2009. Someone posted an article from an analyst who pointed out most DL prospects take plays off and have inconsistency to their game and it usually works itself out with a little maturity.

I like Hankins because if he's there he has the ability to be the biggest difference-maker for us, not just because he plays at the biggest need, but because of his ability.


spilltray wrote:
Not a fan of a project player at S. At other postions on defense it's OK, but I have a problem with it for alot of the same reasons I wouldn't have wanted to be a part of drafting Tannehill last year. S is so much about reads and adjustments, it's a position I really want players to have a great "feel" for. If he hits, sure this kid could be really good. I like the ability, I don't like the "project".


But you could have said the same thing about Nick Collins in 2005, he had never played S before he was drafted by us either. The coaching of Darren Perry makes me think we can take a prospect and mold him into a damn fine player. Plus we will have a year or two with Woodson, and we have another great backup plan with McMillian.

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With Ryan, I like the prospect, I'm just not sure I see the value. With Williams, Hayward, Shields, and House, he'll have an uphill climb to crack the top 5 CB.


I am all for moving on from Williams, hasn't been the same since the SB.

spilltray wrote:
If you list Uzzi as a G I like him more than as a C. I haven't seen anything of him playing C before even though a ton are projecting him there. As an interior swing backup guy, he fits fine.


I listed him as a G/C. I have read the thoughts that he will play C at the next level. I think he will be a "swing guy" as you put it, and either take over for EDS at C or TJ Lang at G 1-2 years down the road.

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I don't see a power type FB as really working with this offense, but if that's what you want, Wilson could be a good one.


One of the biggest differences for me between 2010 and now is getting rid of Quinn Johnson. We struggle in short yardage situations, and really cannot run the ball in goaline. Putting Kuhn as the HB and a power blocker in front of him was effective and I'd like to see that back.

We shouldn't be throwing 9 times out of 10 in short yardage and the fact that we do has more to do with our inability to run.

spilltray wrote:
I like King, but before you write off a WR early, look at the contract situations at WR. Jones is a FA after 2013. Nelson and Cobb will both be FAs after 2014. Considering it generally takes WR at least 1-2 seasons to start hitting their stride, it might be time to consider it more of a priority. Including Finley, no primary pass catcher is signed for more than 2 seasons.


But the way we are cranking out WRs, I think we could make someone like King into a quality player down the road. It seems like whenever we draft a WR they end up working out for us.
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People spun the academic thing with Raji. His play on the field was high effort. I just don't see that with with Hankins. I agree on the upside, I just don't think you can write off the inconsistency I see. It's not just inconsistent effort, it's his up and down play also.

Collins had played CB though. That's at least also in the same ballpark. Also, for all his athletic ability, Collins smarts and instincts at S were never his strong point. His ball skills and range were amazing though and that made up for it

I think Williams was fine this year and the fact he even played in 2011 with that shoulder injury is impressive. The stupid "Slowpoke" nickname (he's not even slow) and alot of unnecessary hate has been piled on him. He was far from a weak point in 2012.

They got rid of Quinn Johnson because they didn't use him. He was on the gameday inactive list as often as on the active roster.

All those WRs we've been cranking out? Jennings, Nelson, and Cobb all 2nd round picks, Jones a 3rd. Sure, good returns, but high end talent as well.
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This is the best mock I've seen to date.

I can't find anywhere that has Wilcox as a 2nd rounder but you made it sound like he could be the next Nick Collins--and I want that super high ceiling to jump in after Woodson is gone.

I don't know why you keep taking a corner either. We have 4 quality corners already and 3 of them are real young.

Also keep hearing Escobar might sneak in to the first.
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spilltray wrote:
People spun the academic thing with Raji. His play on the field was high effort. I just don't see that with with Hankins. I agree on the upside, I just don't think you can write off the inconsistency I see. It's not just inconsistent effort, it's his up and down play also.

Collins had played CB though. That's at least also in the same ballpark. Also, for all his athletic ability, Collins smarts and instincts at S were never his strong point. His ball skills and range were amazing though and that made up for it

I think Williams was fine this year and the fact he even played in 2011 with that shoulder injury is impressive. The stupid "Slowpoke" nickname (he's not even slow) and alot of unnecessary hate has been piled on him. He was far from a weak point in 2012.

They got rid of Quinn Johnson because they didn't use him. He was on the gameday inactive list as often as on the active roster.

All those WRs we've been cranking out? Jennings, Nelson, and Cobb all 2nd round picks, Jones a 3rd. Sure, good returns, but high end talent as well.


~I trust our coaching staff with Hankins. To be honest, I have no idea if Hankins can develop. But there's no developing the talent, and again he has the possibility of being great more so than any other prospect at who will be there ar #26.
~Well, again, we have McMillian who could be a great option at S, but with Wilcox we can have a guy who could be one of the best in the game. If not, McMillian would be a fine option at the position. Having a quality, but developing player gives us the flexibility to take a risk on someone else who could be a perennial Pro Bowler.
~I dunno man, I wasn't too impressed with Williams this year, I'm ready for an upgrade.
~Quinn Johnson played extensively in short yardage situations. We put Kuhn as the ballcarrier and used Quinn Johnson as the lead blocker. We had a darn good running game for short yardage situations. That's what I am trying to recapture with a power FB. We are talking about the 6th round here, it's okay to have a ST guy whose a goaline specialist lead blocker.
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ChaRisMa wrote:

This is the best mock I've seen to date.

I can't find anywhere that has Wilcox as a 2nd rounder but you made it sound like he could be the next Nick Collins--and I want that super high ceiling to jump in after Woodson is gone.

I don't know why you keep taking a corner either. We have 4 quality corners already and 3 of them are real young.

Also keep hearing Escobar might sneak in to the first.


~Thanks for the kind words.
~Really, I'm seeing 2nd-3rd round prospect, since we are talking about the end of the 2nd here, I thought for sure it was a good place for him.
~I don't mean to make him sound like the next Collins, because there are plenty of differences, but I think he could be a quality starter after Woodson hangs 'em up.
~Like I said, I want an upgrade over Williams and while Shields and House are fine Nickel and Dime CBs, I do think Williams is better than either.
~Escobar in the 1st? I head late 3rd-early 4th.
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I foresee GB picking several players for the D front, not sure CB is needing any selections unless the BPA is overwheling. With Williams, Shields, Heyward, House and even Woodson all able to play the slot/WR's; I am not sure a rookie CB can come and play. Usually rookie CB's get eaten up by QB's. Now IF Woodson & Williams are gone by the draft, then we need to grab a CB.
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spilltray wrote:
People spun the academic thing with Raji. His play on the field was high effort. I just don't see that with with Hankins. I agree on the upside, I just don't think you can write off the inconsistency I see. It's not just inconsistent effort, it's his up and down play also.

Collins had played CB though. That's at least also in the same ballpark. Also, for all his athletic ability, Collins smarts and instincts at S were never his strong point. His ball skills and range were amazing though and that made up for it

I think Williams was fine this year and the fact he even played in 2011 with that shoulder injury is impressive. The stupid "Slowpoke" nickname (he's not even slow) and alot of unnecessary hate has been piled on him. He was far from a weak point in 2012.

They got rid of Quinn Johnson because they didn't use him. He was on the gameday inactive list as often as on the active roster.

All those WRs we've been cranking out? Jennings, Nelson, and Cobb all 2nd round picks, Jones a 3rd. Sure, good returns, but high end talent as well.


~I trust our coaching staff with Hankins. To be honest, I have no idea if Hankins can develop. But there's no developing the talent, and again he has the possibility of being great more so than any other prospect at who will be there ar #26.
~Well, again, we have McMillian who could be a great option at S, but with Wilcox we can have a guy who could be one of the best in the game. If not, McMillian would be a fine option at the position. Having a quality, but developing player gives us the flexibility to take a risk on someone else who could be a perennial Pro Bowler.
~I dunno man, I wasn't too impressed with Williams this year, I'm ready for an upgrade.
~Quinn Johnson played extensively in short yardage situations. We put Kuhn as the ballcarrier and used Quinn Johnson as the lead blocker. We had a darn good running game for short yardage situations. That's what I am trying to recapture with a power FB. We are talking about the 6th round here, it's okay to have a ST guy whose a goaline specialist lead blocker.


Yeah not saying you are WRONG overall, it's just way more of a gamble than I like to take that many of. I see why they all COULD hit, but also why they could all miss. I'd prefer to balance some risks with some safe picks.
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