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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taylor might also work in the backfield
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Considering Kuhn is a FB and BJax is a RB I would hope TT isn't thinking this way.


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Ditto - Kuhn is only the most reliable RB on the team - so sure cut him LOL.


so which is it? RB or FB?


Kuhn the lead blocking FB and touchdown scoring RB - its why he is so valuable. He is also on many occassions the short yardage RB but is position is listed as FB. Has Kuhn proven to be more reliable than the other RB's - arguably he has. Now that doesn't mean you build your backfield offense around John Kuhn but he has been the one guy who has been consistent, which should tell us the Packers desperately need to address the offenseive backfield this offseason. If Kuhn does go then I certainly don't believe you can replace him with either a TE or one of the RB's - they need a FB.
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When Grant came in this year, the times he was in on 3rd down, he picked up the blitz fine. He's a 50% upgrade in that when there is a breakdown (common) he's an outlet that can get the 1st down. This avoids another short series/hit on Rodgers.
I completely disagree.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gizmo2012 wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
gizmo2012 wrote:


Considering Kuhn is a FB and BJax is a RB I would hope TT isn't thinking this way.


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Ditto - Kuhn is only the most reliable RB on the team - so sure cut him LOL.


so which is it? RB or FB?


Kuhn the lead blocking FB and touchdown scoring RB - its why he is so valuable. He is also on many occassions the short yardage RB but is position is listed as FB. Has Kuhn proven to be more reliable than the other RB's - arguably he has. Now that doesn't mean you build your backfield offense around John Kuhn but he has been the one guy who has been consistent, which should tell us the Packers desperately need to address the offenseive backfield this offseason. If Kuhn does go then I certainly don't believe you can replace him with either a TE or one of the RB's - they need a FB.
... I'm not sure he does any of those even remotely as well as he used to. His value, as stated above, is solely in his pass blocking IMO. You'll also remember that Kuhn was a RB in college. We already replace him with a TE to lead block.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think he's lost any skill as a short yardage guy. It's just typically blatantly obvious when we're about to run with him.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think he's lost any skill as a short yardage guy. It's just typically blatantly obvious when we're about to run with him.


The whole point of a short yardage guy though is to still be able to get one or two yards even when the entire stadium knows you are going to get the ball.

If the element of surprise is your biggest asset as a short yardage back you aren't much of a short yardage back.
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I don't think he's lost any skill as a short yardage guy. It's just typically blatantly obvious when we're about to run with him.


The whole point of a short yardage guy though is to still be able to get one or two yards even when the entire stadium knows you are going to get the ball.

If the element of surprise is your biggest asset as a short yardage back you aren't much of a short yardage back.


That's never going to be the strong point of an offense with a ZBS. Even go back to Shanahan in Denver, or Washington/Houston currently. Short yardage power plays aren't a strength of the ZBS even when the O runs the ball well overall.
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wgbeethree wrote:
GBPackers79 wrote:
I don't think he's lost any skill as a short yardage guy. It's just typically blatantly obvious when we're about to run with him.


The whole point of a short yardage guy though is to still be able to get one or two yards even when the entire stadium knows you are going to get the ball.

If the element of surprise is your biggest asset as a short yardage back you aren't much of a short yardage back.


That's never going to be the strong point of an offense with a ZBS. Even go back to Shanahan in Denver, or Washington/Houston currently. Short yardage power plays aren't a strength of the ZBS even when the O runs the ball well overall.


Kind of my point. It's not something he or the offense in general are particularly good at. Not really a reason to keep him around. He's only a plus for us picking up the blitz and on teams. His lead blocking and short yardage ability isn't that good or that big of a factor in our offense IMO. If you can find someone who does the first two as well for cheaper the second two aren't a good enough reason to keep him around at his pay.
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http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=508865
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http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=508865



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We're paying Kuhn the 3rd down pass protector, that's about it.


But considering that far and away the hardest hits on QBs in the pocket come from blitzers who the back has the responsibility to block, and since keeping QB1 healthy ought to be a major priority for this organization, I think it's totally worth $2-$3m for a quality pass protecting back who can do a few other things.
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HyponGrey wrote:
gizmo2012 wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
gizmo2012 wrote:


Considering Kuhn is a FB and BJax is a RB I would hope TT isn't thinking this way.


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Ditto - Kuhn is only the most reliable RB on the team - so sure cut him LOL.


so which is it? RB or FB?


Kuhn the lead blocking FB and touchdown scoring RB - its why he is so valuable. He is also on many occassions the short yardage RB but is position is listed as FB. Has Kuhn proven to be more reliable than the other RB's - arguably he has. Now that doesn't mean you build your backfield offense around John Kuhn but he has been the one guy who has been consistent, which should tell us the Packers desperately need to address the offenseive backfield this offseason. If Kuhn does go then I certainly don't believe you can replace him with either a TE or one of the RB's - they need a FB.
... I'm not sure he does any of those even remotely as well as he used to. His value, as stated above, is solely in his pass blocking IMO. You'll also remember that Kuhn was a RB in college. We already replace him with a TE to lead block.


I think the scheme has changed in the way of not having a lead blocker outside of Kuhn (we use Crabtree a bit). In 2010 when Kuhn was converting 3rd and shorts and scoring in the redzone it was at RB while Quinn Johnson (albeit not the greatest lead blocker) was in at FB. Now we see the staff using FB dive with Kuhn and draws from the shotgun.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#KutKuhn
#BringBackBrandon
#BJaxToThePack
#BringBackBJax
#ReleaseTheKuhn

Never thought I'd live to see the day that I wanted Brandon Jackson back badly. I have a deep dislike for Kuhn though, I get so sick of seeing him actually see offensive snaps. I'd try to get one of those hashtag's trending but I know most "Packer fans" love the guy.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a deep dislike for Kuhn though, I get so sick of seeing him actually see offensive snaps. I'd try to get one of those hashtag's trending but I know most "Packer fans" love the guy.



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1433762-what-the-signing-of-ryan-grant-means-for-the-packers


"Perhaps the most important asset that Grant brings to the Packers is his pass protection."
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