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Texas_OutLaw7
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| Desperado Dan wrote: | Oops, I totally had a brain fart.
What I meant to ask, is:
How does Warmack compare to David Decastro coming out last year? |
I liked DeCastro better. And I also though he was in a weaker class. All of which makes me believe Warmack will fall.
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I like both Cooper and Warmack over DeCastro.
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| flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | Desperado Dan wrote: | Oops, I totally had a brain fart.
What I meant to ask, is:
How does Warmack compare to David Decastro coming out last year? |
Different kind of players I think. DeCastro might have been better coming out, but not by much. And Warmack, because of his size and athleticism, has the much higher ceiling IMO |
They are different players, but Warmack is not the superior athlete. That would go to DeCastro. One of Warmack's few flaws is that he isn't a great athlete. He makes up for it with his ferociously aggressive style and mean streak.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | Desperado Dan wrote: | Oops, I totally had a brain fart.
What I meant to ask, is:
How does Warmack compare to David Decastro coming out last year? |
Different kind of players I think. DeCastro might have been better coming out, but not by much. And Warmack, because of his size and athleticism, has the much higher ceiling IMO |
They are different players, but Warmack is not the superior athlete. That would go to DeCastro. One of Warmack's few flaws is that he isn't a great athlete. He makes up for it with his ferociously aggressive style and mean streak. |
I would rank Warmack and Decastro about the same, different players but overall same quality of a prospect. I would say Jonathan Cooper is better than both though.
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I like warmack but i like the value of waiting on Cooper to get to us.
The think i do like about Warmack is the Belly...
Thats marketable.
Never has a Guard been so marketable in the NFL.
Thats how id sell that pick to Jerry.
"Jerry just imagine all the merchandise from a Guard!"(Jerrys eyes roll back and he escapes to his happy place)
With the 18th pick Dallas Selects WARMACK!!!!
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We are in perfect position in round one to get either Warmack or Cooper. JJ needs not to screw this up. Outside of OL. The one I want is Richardson, I would take him over those two, then look for Barrett Jones in the second.
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | SHSTE92 wrote: | Mel Kiper mock 2.0:
| Quote: | | Analysis: Follow my Big Board week to week and you're probably surprised I could fathom a situation where Warmack is still around at No. 18. But remember, the mock also takes into account where I hear teams are valuing guys, and in the case of a player like Warmack, the positional value aspect hurts him as a guard. Make no mistake, he's a stud, a dominant guard who makes your offensive line better the second he signs his contract. But he's staying inside, period, limiting his shot at the top 10. Dallas could certainly use an upgrade at guard, and I don't think the Cowboys can pass up Warmack at this spot on the board if he's available. |
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See, people? This is the kind of rationale that I've been talking about for years. Even though Warmack is easily one of the 5 best players in the entire draft, his position will cause him to fall, and it will happen again. |
All true Plan. Positional value will cause guards to drop. And let's not forget what happens every year come combine time. Some skill position players will blow numbers out of the water and based on that some teams will fall in love with them and their stock will rise. As well, some not as well known prospects will post great numbers and their stock will rise. Both of these circumstances will lead to guards falling.
I think the Cowboys will have a solid choice of interior OL or DL at 18. What factors into the Cowboys selection is are we going to extend Romo? If we do then I think interior OL wins out. It would be silly to extend Romo and then not invest in protecting him with a Warmack or Cooper.
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| NYDC4life wrote: | | We are in perfect position in round one to get either Warmack or Cooper. JJ needs not to screw this up. Outside of OL. The one I want is Richardson, I would take him over those two, then look for Barrett Jones in the second. |
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | Desperado Dan wrote: | Oops, I totally had a brain fart.
What I meant to ask, is:
How does Warmack compare to David Decastro coming out last year? |
Different kind of players I think. DeCastro might have been better coming out, but not by much. And Warmack, because of his size and athleticism, has the much higher ceiling IMO |
They are different players, but Warmack is not the superior athlete. That would go to DeCastro. One of Warmack's few flaws is that he isn't a great athlete. He makes up for it with his ferociously aggressive style and mean streak. |
I think that is what we need on this line currently. A Larry Allen type monster that can create holes in the running game. |
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | Desperado Dan wrote: | Oops, I totally had a brain fart.
What I meant to ask, is:
How does Warmack compare to David Decastro coming out last year? |
Different kind of players I think. DeCastro might have been better coming out, but not by much. And Warmack, because of his size and athleticism, has the much higher ceiling IMO |
They are different players, but Warmack is not the superior athlete. That would go to DeCastro. One of Warmack's few flaws is that he isn't a great athlete. He makes up for it with his ferociously aggressive style and mean streak. |
I disagree. Warmack is a very underrated athlete, and I though DD was kind of stiff. But neither are close to Cooper's level in terms of athleticism.
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| flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | Desperado Dan wrote: | Oops, I totally had a brain fart.
What I meant to ask, is:
How does Warmack compare to David Decastro coming out last year? |
Different kind of players I think. DeCastro might have been better coming out, but not by much. And Warmack, because of his size and athleticism, has the much higher ceiling IMO |
They are different players, but Warmack is not the superior athlete. That would go to DeCastro. One of Warmack's few flaws is that he isn't a great athlete. He makes up for it with his ferociously aggressive style and mean streak. |
I disagree. Warmack is a very underrated athlete, and I though DD was kind of stiff. But neither are close to Cooper's level in terms of athleticism. |
True. Neither are in Cooper's league as an athlete. I'd be very happy with either of them.
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | Desperado Dan wrote: | Oops, I totally had a brain fart.
What I meant to ask, is:
How does Warmack compare to David Decastro coming out last year? |
Different kind of players I think. DeCastro might have been better coming out, but not by much. And Warmack, because of his size and athleticism, has the much higher ceiling IMO |
They are different players, but Warmack is not the superior athlete. That would go to DeCastro. One of Warmack's few flaws is that he isn't a great athlete. He makes up for it with his ferociously aggressive style and mean streak. |
I disagree. Warmack is a very underrated athlete, and I though DD was kind of stiff. But neither are close to Cooper's level in terms of athleticism. |
True. Neither are in Cooper's league as an athlete. I'd be very happy with either of them. |
My question is now that (correct me if I jumped the gun on this) Callahan is calling the plays, will we be looking for a nasty run-blocker like Warmack for a power running game, or are we looking at more of a ZBS which would then fit Cooper like a glove? I don't remember his offense in Oakland well enough to decifer what he looks for in lineman, and what kind of system he'll run now. Either way, I'd be ecstatic with either. Building up to be a great draft for the trenches. |
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| Pigskin Plato wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | Desperado Dan wrote: | Oops, I totally had a brain fart.
What I meant to ask, is:
How does Warmack compare to David Decastro coming out last year? |
Different kind of players I think. DeCastro might have been better coming out, but not by much. And Warmack, because of his size and athleticism, has the much higher ceiling IMO |
They are different players, but Warmack is not the superior athlete. That would go to DeCastro. One of Warmack's few flaws is that he isn't a great athlete. He makes up for it with his ferociously aggressive style and mean streak. |
I disagree. Warmack is a very underrated athlete, and I though DD was kind of stiff. But neither are close to Cooper's level in terms of athleticism. |
True. Neither are in Cooper's league as an athlete. I'd be very happy with either of them. |
My question is now that (correct me if I jumped the gun on this) Callahan is calling the plays, will we be looking for a nasty run-blocker like Warmack for a power running game, or are we looking at more of a ZBS which would then fit Cooper like a glove? I don't remember his offense in Oakland well enough to decifer what he looks for in lineman, and what kind of system he'll run now. Either way, I'd be ecstatic with either. Building up to be a great draft for the trenches. |
They had a big heavy O line. But I don't take that of a sign that they will look to get big fat guys to the 'boys, I think they simply go with who they think are the best.
- Cooper is an very underrated runblocker, IMO. Just has a different blocking style then Warmack that doesn't get the same attention. |
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| DKDALfan wrote: | | Pigskin Plato wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | Desperado Dan wrote: | Oops, I totally had a brain fart.
What I meant to ask, is:
How does Warmack compare to David Decastro coming out last year? |
Different kind of players I think. DeCastro might have been better coming out, but not by much. And Warmack, because of his size and athleticism, has the much higher ceiling IMO |
They are different players, but Warmack is not the superior athlete. That would go to DeCastro. One of Warmack's few flaws is that he isn't a great athlete. He makes up for it with his ferociously aggressive style and mean streak. |
I disagree. Warmack is a very underrated athlete, and I though DD was kind of stiff. But neither are close to Cooper's level in terms of athleticism. |
True. Neither are in Cooper's league as an athlete. I'd be very happy with either of them. |
My question is now that (correct me if I jumped the gun on this) Callahan is calling the plays, will we be looking for a nasty run-blocker like Warmack for a power running game, or are we looking at more of a ZBS which would then fit Cooper like a glove? I don't remember his offense in Oakland well enough to decifer what he looks for in lineman, and what kind of system he'll run now. Either way, I'd be ecstatic with either. Building up to be a great draft for the trenches. |
They had a big heavy O line. But I don't take that of a sign that they will look to get big fat guys to the 'boys, I think they simply go with who they think are the best.
- Cooper is an very underrated runblocker, IMO. Just has a different blocking style then Warmack that doesn't get the same attention. |
I agree with this. Warmack is a mauler which is always fun to watch like say a Larry Allen. Cooper just contains his guy in the run block when pulling, but also gets chances to get to the next level. I believe if Cooper added more strength and developed a better hand punch he would be a type of prospect that Larry Allen was.
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| JWingate wrote: | | DKDALfan wrote: | | Pigskin Plato wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | Desperado Dan wrote: | Oops, I totally had a brain fart.
What I meant to ask, is:
How does Warmack compare to David Decastro coming out last year? |
Different kind of players I think. DeCastro might have been better coming out, but not by much. And Warmack, because of his size and athleticism, has the much higher ceiling IMO |
They are different players, but Warmack is not the superior athlete. That would go to DeCastro. One of Warmack's few flaws is that he isn't a great athlete. He makes up for it with his ferociously aggressive style and mean streak. |
I disagree. Warmack is a very underrated athlete, and I though DD was kind of stiff. But neither are close to Cooper's level in terms of athleticism. |
True. Neither are in Cooper's league as an athlete. I'd be very happy with either of them. |
My question is now that (correct me if I jumped the gun on this) Callahan is calling the plays, will we be looking for a nasty run-blocker like Warmack for a power running game, or are we looking at more of a ZBS which would then fit Cooper like a glove? I don't remember his offense in Oakland well enough to decifer what he looks for in lineman, and what kind of system he'll run now. Either way, I'd be ecstatic with either. Building up to be a great draft for the trenches. |
They had a big heavy O line. But I don't take that of a sign that they will look to get big fat guys to the 'boys, I think they simply go with who they think are the best.
- Cooper is an very underrated runblocker, IMO. Just has a different blocking style then Warmack that doesn't get the same attention. |
I agree with this. Warmack is a mauler which is always fun to watch like say a Larry Allen. Cooper just contains his guy in the run block when pulling, but also gets chances to get to the next level. I believe if Cooper added more strength and developed a better hand punch he would be a type of prospect that Larry Allen was. |
Agree with all of this  . Pairing Smith and Cooper together would give us stability on the left for the next decade, and given that I'm a fan of the ZBS, drafting Cooper would allow us to shift to that. He's got an incredibly high ceiling, more so than any guard I can think of recently. And while we're at it, I think that the reason DeCastro fell last year was likely because many didn't feel he had a very high ceiling. His floor was fantastic, and a guaranteed plug and play, but the ceiling wasn't enough to draft him in the top 20. My little theory at least. |
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