Where will Ware rank All-Time when it's all said and done?

[Football Mensa]

[MaddHatter]

[Football Mensa]

[MaddHatter]

You're welcome to disagree - but I'm not going to say "here's my argument, but I like you're argument, you're a nice guy so let's shake hands and agree to disagree" - I'm going to make my case, I'm going to counter yours, and look for you to do the same. It's a freaking football forum, not a tea party - I'm not afraid of ruffling feathers and don't get offended when others disagree.
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Ware Stat Tracker: 27 Pressures, 9 Hits, 10 sacks, 4 FF, 7 TFL (thru 8 games)

[Football Mensa]

[MaddHatter]

So did you have a counter argument or were you just quoting my post for fun?
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Ware Stat Tracker: 27 Pressures, 9 Hits, 10 sacks, 4 FF, 7 TFL (thru 8 games)

[TheStarStillShines]

The NFL Network ranked Taylor the #3 player of all-time. To rank Ware ahead of Taylor would mean he's a top-3 player all-time - or at least a top-10 player all-time. Do you believe that, MH? Heck, Ware isn't even a top-3 player of his generation.

And so you went with one writer to back things up and you use stats, but stats don't tell the whole story especially considering that Ware has had many more opportunities to rush the QB than Taylor.

During Taylor's career, the pass-run ratio went from a low of 51.17:48.83 to a high of 54.89:45.11 (1993). The highest discrepancy also occurred during LT's last season.

During Ware's career, the ratios are:
Low: 54.85:44.15
High: 57.10:42.90

So while you use a stat like "sack percentage", you conveniently left out number of sack opportunities. Teams are passing far more today than ever before, so sacks and pressures will naturally go up.

And if you're argument is solely based on stats, then we should consider Kerry Collins as the #12 QB of all-time, ahead of notable QBs like Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Jim Kelly, Steve Young, and Y.A. Title. Stats have their limitation, especially when comparing over different eras. Also, how stats are gathered and what constitutes a tackle to a pressure, etc. are not consistent over time let alone across games.

Ware is a great player, but IMO he's not at the level of Lawrence Taylor.
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[Desperado82]

[MaddHatter]

Do I think Ware is currently a top 10 all time player? No - but that can easily change with a few more years, especially if he hits 20 sacks a second time.

And I gave you the exact numbers of passes they each faced - the run:pass ratio doesn't really matter when they're facing nearly identical number of passes.
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Ware Stat Tracker: 27 Pressures, 9 Hits, 10 sacks, 4 FF, 7 TFL (thru 8 games)

[TheStarStillShines]

Ware will probably end up in the top-3 of OLBs all-time, assuming he can stay healthy. He could very well end up being the most productive OLB of all-time in terms of sacks. However, to me, to be considered the GOAT at one position means that player has to truly transcend his piers and all those before him. I just can't put Ware above Taylor because Taylor simply dominated games. I don't see that same dominating presence in Ware than Taylor.

Again, determining who is the GOAT goes beyond the numbers. For instance, many consider Joe Montana to be the greatest QB of all-time although many other QBs have better and more impressive stats. It's the same thing with people arguing that Romo is the best QB in Dallas Cowboys' history. Stats are great, but being recognized by your peers as the best and winning championships help cement one's legacy.
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[MaddHatter]

[TheStarStillShines]

[WizardHawk]

Game has changed too much to even compare LT and Ware. Ware will end up being a 1st ballot HOFer and mentioned among the best at his position.
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