Our OT's..

iRobot · Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 774 Location: Mesa, AZ

I get tired of reading about how our "offensive tackles" were, well, offensive.

People talk about how we NEED to take a tackle high in the draft and I just don't agree with that logic. Now if someone falls to us and we have that option, we can consider it, but I don't think we have a clear cut MUST grab a tackle in the first 2 rounds.

"In the first eight games this year, Batiste allowed 12 sacks and 52 total QB pressures, while Massie surrendered 13 sacks and 49 total QB disruptions of his own." - ProFootballFocus

"Batiste was benched in Week 9 in favor of Nate Potter, who, despite struggling himself (seven sacks and 24 total QB disruptions allowed since replacing Batiste), has still been an upgrade." - ProFootballFocus

And keep in mind that the Week 17 game against San Francisco, Potter didn't play due to injury but Aldon Smith isn't even mentioned in the re-focus of the game. Massie on the right had not allowed a sack since the first quote, so he gave up 13 sacks for the season.

Finding a gem in Potter in the seventh round and Massie in the 4th to solidify the tackle position has been great. Bringing in competition for the spot makes sense but I don't think they performed badly. If anything, the obvious spot has been Adam Snyder.

"Even Adam Snyder has picked up his game a bit, as he’s had a clean sheet (no QB disruptions allowed) in the pass blocking department in four of his past seven games." - ProFootballFocus

I don't expect that to continue though with Snyder but who knows. I still think our biggest need on the OL is at Guard and Center before Tackle.

Everyone out there in NFL analyst land is looking at our 58 or some odd sacks for the season and thinking, "AH MAN, How can Arizona NOT take a tackle high?".. I don't agree. It's not a MUST have..

stchamp98 · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 52947 Location: Havre, Montana

Offensive tackle, I agree. Offensive line, I do not agree.
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iRobot · Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 774 Location: Mesa, AZ

stchamp98 · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 52947 Location: Havre, Montana

If we're simply talking about the offensive tackle position, I agree 100%/. People need to start opening their eyes to the reality that the offenssive tackle position is NOT the end all be all of offensive line play.
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apollo14000 · Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 3749 Location: PA

I agree with this. However, I still want two upgrades to the OL this season. That's a lot to ask for but I want this OL to be VERY GOOD not just ok or average or solid but VERY GOOD.

Snyder needs to be upgraded plain an simple. That's one upgrade I want.

If Levi leaves then I think we need to bring in somebody to compete with Potter. I'm not completely sold on him. I like him but I don't trust him yet. But I'm open to upgrading any OL position outside of RT.

DirtyDez · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:58 pm Post subject:

Depends on who's available. I like Potter but if franchise-tackles like Joeckel or Fisher are there we have to take them IMO. If they're gone I'm fine with a Potter-Warmack combo on the left side. Colledge can take over RG and it makes Potter a solid/cheap backup.
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khodder · Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 48033 Location: New New York

I have said it for I don't know how long.

Build the line from inside out. All three of our interior OL positions can be upgraded. I think we roll with Sendlein for now, but that is a spot we have to upgrade in the future. Both Guard spots are a massive reason for our poor run blocking ability. The fact we ranked last in the NFL with 27% of our running plays being stopped for a loss is terrible.

That said there were some playcalls and running plays that were just plain stupid last year and were never going to work, but when you break down our YPC rankings by run direction;

ARI

Left End - 3.35 = 25
Left Tackle - 2.59 = 32
Middle/Guard - 2.68 = 32
Right Tackle - 3.28 = 31
Right End - 3.88 = 18

You really get a feel for our complete inability to run the ball between the tackles.
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stchamp98 · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 52947 Location: Havre, Montana

Left tackle numbers for 2011: 4.25=5th

People are weary of him as they should be but if we want progress in this category from this poisition, Levi Brown is already here. Just sayin.
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stchamp98 · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 52947 Location: Havre, Montana

Levi's numbers in pass protection from 2011, while certainly not good, cut those 2012 numbers in half.
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iRobot · Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 774 Location: Mesa, AZ

http://www.profootballweekly.com/players/levi-brown-224831/

Season Sacks
2007 8.00
2008 11.00
2009 7.00
2010 7.00
2011 11.50

stchamp98 · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 52947 Location: Havre, Montana

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iRobot · Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 774 Location: Mesa, AZ

Numbers according to ProFootballWeekly

D'Anthony Batiste, LT: 11 sacks allowed. (7 penalties for 57 yards)
Nate Potter, LT: 7 sacks allowed. (1 penalty for 10 yards)
Daryn Colledge, LG: 5 sacks allowed. (7 penalties for 44 yards)
Lyle Sendlein, C: 3 sacks allowed. (0 penalties)
Scott Wedgie, C: 0 sacks allowed. (0 penalties)
Rich Ohrnberger, C/G: 1.75 sacks allowed (3 penalties for 27 yards)
Senio Kelemete, RG: 1 sack allowed (1 penalty for 10 yards)
Adam Snyder, RG: 1.5 sacks allowed (2 penalties for 25 yards)
Bobby Massie, RT: 13.5 sacks allowed. (4 penalties for 20 yards)

Pat McQuistan, T: 1 sack allowed.

Total: 43.75 (from offensive line unless I'm missing someone that played this year)

We had 58 total.. so I guess the other 14.25 are on the RB/TE position.. ?