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Rtnldave


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:09 am    Post subject: Rtnldave's mock 1-28-13 Reply with quote

Alright, you all know how I feel about this team getting a little long in the tooth and how they should move some of their vets and get good value, stockpile picks and build for the long haul. Well....., even I know that will not happen. SO, I'm going another way with this. Just spitballing here but here it is:

Cowboys Off Season 2013

Cut/ Walk:


1. Jones
2. Jenkins
3. Connor
4. Ratliff
5. Spears
6. Free
7. Sensabaugh
8. Costa
9. Poppinga

Tag/ Trade:

1. Spencer : Give up A. Spencer and a conditional pick 2014 to Mia
Get a 2nd and 4th for 2013
2. M. Austin: N.O. for a 4th round pick


Restructure:

1. Romo
2. Carr
3. Ware
4. Witten

Draft Moves:

1. Dallas trades back with St Louis from 18 to 22 and 46 (2nd round)


FA Signings

J. Byrd S Buf Bills 26 yrs

D. Thomas OG NE Pats 27 yrs


Draft

1: J. Hankins DT Ohio St (Line collapsing DT)

2: (Trade back) B. Williams OT North Car (D. Free's replacement)

2: (Spencer) Larry Warford OG Kentucky (Immediate Starter)

2: Tank Carradine DE Fla St (DL help coming back from ACL tear)

3: Phillip Thomas S Fresno St (Led League in INT's, Ballhawk)

4: (Austin) LeVon Bell RB Mich St (6-2, 238 bruiser)

4: (Spencer) Marcus Davis WR Virg. Tech (6-4, 232/ Alvin Harper?)

4: Z. Dysert QB Mia Ohio (Heir Apparent?)

5: M. Williams TE Ala (6-6, 270 Big blocking TE to help RB)

6: Damion Square DE/DT Ala (Versitility on the DL)



There, that ought to do it!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really not a fan of any of it from trades to FA to draft.

Austin is worth more than a 4th, Byrd isn't that good and Hamlin's is meh
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Re: Rtnldave's mock 1-28-13 Reply with quote

I just about dig all of it, but if you trade Austin you have to find a real replacement or other option via free agency or draft. I wouldn't feel good about going into a season with a injury prone Dez as my only real receiver. I think we have some good spot guys but I think we would need some more size out there. Or use Hanna in some mismatch scenarios more. I don't know much about this kid from V tech, but I think you would also need to bring in a veteran as well. Greg Jennings comes up again, but I don"t think for the right price. A mid-level guy like Mike Jenkins in Minnesota would be nice( yes I know I'm a Homer).

Rtnldave wrote:
Alright, you all know how I feel about this team getting a ilittle long in the tooth and how they should move some of their vets and get good value, stockpile picks and build for the long haul. Well....., even I know that will not happen. SO, I'm going another way with this. Just spitballing here but here it is:

Cowboys Off Season 2013

Cut/ Walk:


1. Jones
2. Jenkins
3. Connor
4. Ratliff
5. Spears
6. Free
7. Sensabaugh
8. Costa
9. Poppinga

Tag/ Trade:

1. Spencer : Give up A. Spencer and a conditional pick 2014 to Mia
Get a 2nd and 4th for 2013
2. M. Austin: N.O. for a 4th round pick


Restructure:

1. Romo
2. Carr
3. Ware
4. Witten

Draft Moves:

1. Dallas trades back with St Louis from 18 to 22 and 46 (2nd round)


FA Signings

J. Byrd S Buf Bills 26 yrs

D. Thomas OG NE Pats 27 yrs


Draft

1: J. Hankins DT Ohio St (Line collapsing DT)

2: (Trade back) B. Williams OT North Car (D. Free's replacement)

2: (Spencer) Larry Warford OG Kentucky (Immediate Starter)

2: Tank Carradine DE Fla St (DL help coming back from ACL tear)

3: Phillip Thomas S Fresno St (Led League in INT's, Ballhawk)

4: (Austin) LeVon Bell RB Mich St (6-2, 238 bruiser)

4: (Spencer) Marcus Davis WR Virg. Tech (6-4, 232/ Alvin Harper?)

4: Z. Dysert QB Mia Ohio (Heir Apparent?)

5: M. Williams TE Ala (6-6, 270 Big blocking TE to help RB)

6: Damion Square DE/DT Ala (Versitility on the DL)



There, that ought to do it!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
Really not a fan of any of it from trades to FA to draft.

Austin is worth more than a 4th, Byrd isn't that good and Hamlin's is meh


You would be lucky to get a 4th for Austin.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Football Mensa wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
Really not a fan of any of it from trades to FA to draft.

Austin is worth more than a 4th, Byrd isn't that good and Hamlin's is meh


You would be lucky to get a 4th for Austin.

agreed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
Really not a fan of any of it from trades to FA to draft.

Austin is worth more than a 4th, Byrd isn't that good and Hamlin's is meh



Agree. He almost had a 1000 yard season at the 3rd option behind Dez and Witten, and we don't have anyone close to replacing him. To me, why extend Romo and then trade Austin?

Message to all mocker's.. Just like it isn't sexy for professional athletes to invest in mutual funds and gain a safe growth percentage every year, it isn't sexy to be cap smart. Restructuring every possible player we can just to open up cap space for this year, while sacrificing the next couple years, I think is a bad idea in general. Sure, Carr makes sense, because he is young, and Witten, because he will play through any injury, but backloading contracts on 30+ year old guys really makes me uncomfortable.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Football Mensa wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
Really not a fan of any of it from trades to FA to draft.

Austin is worth more than a 4th, Byrd isn't that good and Hamlin's is meh


You would be lucky to get a 4th for Austin.


Then don't freaking trade him - but thanks for your random opinion
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
Football Mensa wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
Really not a fan of any of it from trades to FA to draft.

Austin is worth more than a 4th, Byrd isn't that good and Hamlin's is meh


You would be lucky to get a 4th for Austin.


Then don't freaking trade him - but thanks for your random opinion


Why not ? He doesn't play that much . He was an undrafted guy who somewhat made it. Maybe there's a 4th rounder in this years draft who could do better. He offers an occasional big play but I prefer steady over the occasional.

LOL @ random opinion. Humor me some more.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Football Mensa wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
Football Mensa wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
Really not a fan of any of it from trades to FA to draft.

Austin is worth more than a 4th, Byrd isn't that good and Hamlin's is meh


You would be lucky to get a 4th for Austin.


Then don't freaking trade him - but thanks for your random opinion


Why not ? He doesn't play that much . He was an undrafted guy who somewhat made it. Maybe there's a 4th rounder in this years draft who could do better. He offers an occasional big play but I prefer steady over the occasional.

LOL @ random opinion. Humor me some more.


Sorry I dont see how any rookie drafted in the 4th round is going to come in and be just as good or better than Austin. Its highly unlikely at least. We would have to get extremely lucky. Austin may not be worth what he is getting paid, but if what other posters have said is correct, we would still be eating a large chunk of money against our already terrible cap situation if we traded him...and he wouldnt even be playing for us. Miles is still a good receiver. He nearly had 1000 yards in a season in which he was "terrible". I'll admit he is injury prone and everything, but at this point it really doesnt make sense to try to get rid of him. Hes one of the best #2 receivers in the league. Just because Dez surpassed him on the depth chart, doesnt mean that miles has no talent anymore. Dez simply realized his own talent and put it together last season. The only problem with our passing game is our atrocious offensive line. Lets fix that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninjaneer wrote:
Football Mensa wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
Really not a fan of any of it from trades to FA to draft.

Austin is worth more than a 4th, Byrd isn't that good and Hamlin's is meh


You would be lucky to get a 4th for Austin.

agreed.


I believe what Hatter meant is that Austin is worth more than a 4th to us. I don't think he was necessarily talking about his market value.

I would contend that Austin is worth more than a 4th in the market. '

Miles Austin: Age 28
2012 Numbers: 66 rec 943yds 6td's

Note: All other ages below are when they were traded, not current age.

Brandon Lloyd Age 29
2011 stats prior to trade:19 rec 283yds 0td's
2011 offseason: Traded from Broncos to Rams for a 5th round pick.

Lee Evans Age 30
2010 stats:37 rec 578yds 4td's
2011 offseason: Traded from Bills to Ravens for a 4th round pick

Ted Ginn Jr. Age 24
2009 stats: 38 rec 454yds 1td
2010 offseason; Traded from Dolphins to 49ers for a 5th round pick.

Reggie Brown Approx 28
2009 stats: 9 rec 155yds 0td
2010 offseason; Traded from Eagles to Bucs for a 6th round pick.

Brandon Marshall Age 26
2009 stats: 101 rec 1120yds 10td's
2010 offseason: Traded from Denver to Miami for 2-2nd round picks.
Note: Value would have probably been higher, but he has a borderline personality disorder.

Brandon Marshall Age 28
2011 stats: 81 rec 1214yds 6td's
2011 offseason: trade from Miami to Chicago for 2-3rd round picks.
Note: Value would have probably been higher, but he has a borderline personality disorder.


Since Evans pulled a 4th, Ginn pulled a 5th, and Marshall pulled two 3rd's after having problems with two teams, I would estimate Austin's value at a low 2nd or early 3rd.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing with Marshall though is his "problems" were more attitude related. Something a lot of teams feel they can tolerate and or fix.

Austin's issues arise from having glass hammy's. Not something you can really "fix", so that would hurt his trade value.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GeneralDissaray

There is more than just age,production, and personality considered when making a trade for a receiver. A couple other things that should be considered are injury history and contract. Two things not in Austins favor. Not saying its impossible to get a 4th for Austin or anything just saying these are other factors as well. Its a lot easier to give away a 4th for a potentially good receiver when his contract is relatively cheap.

Also you made brandon lloyd's stats look bad. which i guess they were at that point, but that can largely be contributed to poor quarterback play on the part of orton. He was four games into the season when he was traded and the season before he caught 77 passes for 1448 yards and 11 touchdowns. Thats where his value came from.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Football Mensa wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
Football Mensa wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
Really not a fan of any of it from trades to FA to draft.

Austin is worth more than a 4th, Byrd isn't that good and Hamlin's is meh


You would be lucky to get a 4th for Austin.


Then don't freaking trade him - but thanks for your random opinion


Why not ? He doesn't play that much . He was an undrafted guy who somewhat made it. Maybe there's a 4th rounder in this years draft who could do better. He offers an occasional big play but I prefer steady over the occasional.

LOL @ random opinion. Humor me some more.


Does he have injury issues? Yes. But he also is one of the most productive WRs in the game when healthy. In fact he's done what only 2 WRs in NFL History have done in a 16 game period - but you in your infinite wisdom think some 4th round prospect will be better day 1?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may already have 2 players on the team that can rotate and match Austin's production in Harris and Coale or even Beasley. If Hanna comes on this year he may help in that department.

Marcus Davis, WR from V Tech had 51 catches for 953 yards avg 18.7 per catch and 5 TD's. His numbers were said to have been a lot higher had his QB been more of an accurate passer. This guy reminds me of a young Plaxico Burress or Alvin Harper. He's bigger than most DB's and has soft hands. He will go up for the ball.

I understand everyone's points about M. Austin's production. The problem is he is only 1 guy. If he goes down, which he does often, then we would have no option to but to start Harris, Ogletree, Coale, Beasley, Etc.

So to my way of thinking, if we would have to put those guys in anyway, may as well gameplan for it and get what we can for Austin.

As far as backloading 30 year old players contracts is concerned, if this team is going all out or bust for a superbowl run with Romo, Witten, Ware etc, then I think it is a risk we have to take as we will only have their services at a high level for another 2, maybe 3 years before they are washed up.

This team can ill afford to try to balance the salary cap, the youth movement trying to blend with veteran players that are into their 30's and fix the glaring problems we have on the lines.

We either have to:
1. Go all out and trim some fat (Oft injured veteran players) and get what we can in this years draft for them as it is FULL of good players on both lines (our biggest problems). This approach works 2 fold: it will immediatley upgrade players perfomances like Romo, Murray and the WR's as Romo will have time to throw and Murray holes to run through, AND it will work at the longevity factor 5-7 years. It will also make our secondary better as we will be able to rotate DL players keeping them fresh and FINALLY generate a pass rush forcing opposing QB's into bad decisions, ie: What our offense does on virtually every play.

OR


2. Trade players like Ware, Witten, Romo and really stockpile draft picks, fix the O line and D line this year, continue to add depth at skill positions like RB, WR, TE, roll with Orton for a year and next year draft your QB of choice as you will have ample ammo to do so.
This approach works great for the longevity end of things and will keep us in contetion for years to come against, what will most likely be, a very tough NFC east with the Skins already coming on, The Giants winners of 2 Superbowls in 5 years and the Iggles reconstructing under a new regime. 2014-15 dosent look so scary all of a sudden.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we should trade Austin for a guy who might be productive in the NFL b/c he was semi-productive in the NCAA against far weaker talent? And you think because Harris and Coale and Beasley might be able to fill the void, we should trade him for poor value?

I'm sorry but I disagree - you're entitled to your opinion as it is your mock offseason, but I would be livid if this went down in real life
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