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What it comes down to, an NFL team in London just isnt that appealing. Just like 18 game seasons, or expanded playoffs, they all sound good in the higher up's heads because all they see is more Dollar $igns. But in the long run they would all likely be failures, and is that minimal bump in revenue worth the blemish & stain it would leave on what is one of the most popular leagues ever right now?

To them, Im sure it is, because the Dollar is king. But to fans it just seems so dumb. In many ways the perfect symmetry & competitive balance is what makes the NFL so popular. They have found what is most efficient & popular in every way. I think in the end it will be much like when the NCAA talked about expanding the Tournament, in the books it looks like more money, but when it comes down to it it just wont work.


Dude... the NFL was wildly popular and becoming more and more popular by the season long before 2002 and that "perfect symmetry." Moving from 16 to 18 games is a change. And the resistance to it is simply a resistance to change for the sake of halting change.

The NFL would continue to flourish with added games.
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And really, what's so attractive about London to players? It's a nice city, but the weather is terrible.
How is the weather worse than any northern climate city, like New York?


It's always rainy, foggy, and depressing.
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Falastine wrote:
And really, what's so attractive about London to players? It's a nice city, but the weather is terrible.
How is the weather worse than any northern climate city, like New York?


It's always rainy, foggy, and depressing.


Which describes Seattle pretty well.
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J Pep 4 Step wrote:
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
Falastine wrote:
And really, what's so attractive about London to players? It's a nice city, but the weather is terrible.
How is the weather worse than any northern climate city, like New York?


It's always rainy, foggy, and depressing.


Which describes Seattle pretty well.


True, but players don't have to travel to a different continent to play there. London isn't THAT attractive.
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Falastine wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Falastine wrote:
And really, what's so attractive about London to players? It's a nice city, but the weather is terrible.
How is the weather worse than any northern climate city, like New York?


It's always rainy, foggy, and depressing.
Seattle avg annual rainfall 40", London avg annual rainfall 29"
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
Falastine wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Falastine wrote:
And really, what's so attractive about London to players? It's a nice city, but the weather is terrible.
How is the weather worse than any northern climate city, like New York?


It's always rainy, foggy, and depressing.
Seattle avg annual rainfall 40", London avg annual rainfall 29"


The original point was that London is attractive enough of a city to lure FAs to move all the way across the Atlantic ocean.

Stop comparing it to Seattle. No one is saying London is the rainiest place in the world.
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And let's be honest, all things even, Seattle would be towards to bottom of the list in terms of NFL cities where players would prefer to play.
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Falastine wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Falastine wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Falastine wrote:
And really, what's so attractive about London to players? It's a nice city, but the weather is terrible.
How is the weather worse than any northern climate city, like New York?


It's always rainy, foggy, and depressing.
Seattle avg annual rainfall 40", London avg annual rainfall 29"


The original point was that London is attractive enough of a city to lure FAs to move all the way across the Atlantic ocean.

Stop comparing it to Seattle. No one is saying London is the rainiest place in the world.
New York avg annual rainfall 47.2" New Orleans 63", Atlanta 50" Chicago 34" Dallas 37" Do I need to keep going or are you ready to admit you have no idea what you are talking about here and are basing your opinion of London weather on what you've seen on the TV? Its a first class world city that has everything you could possibly want in a hometown city. Newsflash, recent college grads love London, most would kill to find a job there. There would be no shortage of NFL players willing to make the jump across the pond.
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J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Falastine wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Falastine wrote:
And really, what's so attractive about London to players? It's a nice city, but the weather is terrible.
How is the weather worse than any northern climate city, like New York?


It's always rainy, foggy, and depressing.


Which describes Seattle pretty well.


True, but players don't have to travel to a different continent to play there. London isn't THAT attractive.


Are you kidding? Its incredibly attractive. It's europe! It's european women. European food. European nightlife. European sights. All at your doorstep!

London is an incredibly cosmopolitan city. And it's located a stones throw from all of western europe. Its an incredibly attractive destination.

And just so you know, people LOVE the PACNW. I would imagine Seattle would easily be in the top half of players wish lists. Its an amazing place to live.
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J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Falastine wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Falastine wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Falastine wrote:
And really, what's so attractive about London to players? It's a nice city, but the weather is terrible.
How is the weather worse than any northern climate city, like New York?


It's always rainy, foggy, and depressing.


Which describes Seattle pretty well.


True, but players don't have to travel to a different continent to play there. London isn't THAT attractive.


Are you kidding? Its incredibly attractive. It's europe! It's european women. European food. European nightlife. European sights. All at your doorstep!

London is an incredibly cosmopolitan city. And it's located a stones throw from all of western europe. Its an incredibly attractive destination.

And just so you know, people LOVE the PACNW. I would imagine Seattle would easily be in the top half of players wish lists. Its an amazing place to live.




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J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Falastine wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Falastine wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Falastine wrote:
And really, what's so attractive about London to players? It's a nice city, but the weather is terrible.
How is the weather worse than any northern climate city, like New York?


It's always rainy, foggy, and depressing.


Which describes Seattle pretty well.


True, but players don't have to travel to a different continent to play there. London isn't THAT attractive.


Are you kidding? Its incredibly attractive. It's europe! It's european women. European food. European nightlife. European sights. All at your doorstep!

London is an incredibly cosmopolitan city. And it's located a stones throw from all of western europe. Its an incredibly attractive destination.

And just so you know, people LOVE the PACNW. I would imagine Seattle would easily be in the top half of players wish lists. Its an amazing place to live.




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I cant imagine that kinda stuff (or on that level) is hard to find in west friggin virginia.
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As a Saints fan this brings a big smile to my face. The LA Falcons. Right when you think that there is no possible way that you can hate the Falcons more...they move to LA.
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J Pep 4 Step wrote:
StLunatic88 wrote:
What it comes down to, an NFL team in London just isnt that appealing. Just like 18 game seasons, or expanded playoffs, they all sound good in the higher up's heads because all they see is more Dollar $igns. But in the long run they would all likely be failures, and is that minimal bump in revenue worth the blemish & stain it would leave on what is one of the most popular leagues ever right now?

To them, Im sure it is, because the Dollar is king. But to fans it just seems so dumb. In many ways the perfect symmetry & competitive balance is what makes the NFL so popular. They have found what is most efficient & popular in every way. I think in the end it will be much like when the NCAA talked about expanding the Tournament, in the books it looks like more money, but when it comes down to it it just wont work.


Dude... the NFL was wildly popular and becoming more and more popular by the season long before 2002 and that "perfect symmetry." Moving from 16 to 18 games is a change. And the resistance to it is simply a resistance to change for the sake of halting change.

The NFL would continue to flourish with added games.
Anyone trying to say this with certainty is just being foolish. How bad are half the games in week 15 & 16? the ones that dont mean anything? So now you have 2 more games, more games of guys getting hurt, and more wear & tear on bodies before the playoffs even start.

Im not saying they wont happen, but just because they will, doent mean they should. People can talk about "adapt or die" but that only applies when you are forced to. Who is forcing the NFL? Who is even challenging them with anything? No matter what the product is, there becomes a point of diminishing returns, and to me, an 18 game season or adding 2-4 more teams to the playoffs will be past that point. And why cant I throw out "If it aint broke dont fix it"...

Unless the owners are willing to change alot of things for just 2 extra games (roster sizes, pre-season, pay for those 2 games) there are some major hurdles to these things also. Its not as easy as many expect it to be.

The game has never grown in popularity as it has in the past decade. And to act like the symmetry of the league has nothing to do with it is just being naive. Its human nature that we like things to be aligned correctly, it makes us comfortable. Im not saying the NFL wouldnt be popular, but it is one of those subconscious things that helps people be drawn to it.
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StLunatic88 wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
StLunatic88 wrote:
What it comes down to, an NFL team in London just isnt that appealing. Just like 18 game seasons, or expanded playoffs, they all sound good in the higher up's heads because all they see is more Dollar $igns. But in the long run they would all likely be failures, and is that minimal bump in revenue worth the blemish & stain it would leave on what is one of the most popular leagues ever right now?

To them, Im sure it is, because the Dollar is king. But to fans it just seems so dumb. In many ways the perfect symmetry & competitive balance is what makes the NFL so popular. They have found what is most efficient & popular in every way. I think in the end it will be much like when the NCAA talked about expanding the Tournament, in the books it looks like more money, but when it comes down to it it just wont work.


Dude... the NFL was wildly popular and becoming more and more popular by the season long before 2002 and that "perfect symmetry." Moving from 16 to 18 games is a change. And the resistance to it is simply a resistance to change for the sake of halting change.

The NFL would continue to flourish with added games.
Anyone trying to say this with certainty is just being foolish. How bad are half the games in week 15 & 16? the ones that dont mean anything? So now you have 2 more games, more games of guys getting hurt, and more wear & tear on bodies before the playoffs even start.

Im not saying they wont happen, but just because they will, doent mean they should. People can talk about "adapt or die" but that only applies when you are forced to. Who is forcing the NFL? Who is even challenging them with anything? No matter what the product is, there becomes a point of diminishing returns, and to me, an 18 game season or adding 2-4 more teams to the playoffs will be past that point. And why cant I throw out "If it aint broke dont fix it"...

Unless the owners are willing to change alot of things for just 2 extra games (roster sizes, pre-season, pay for those 2 games) there are some major hurdles to these things also. Its not as easy as many expect it to be.

The game has never grown in popularity as it has in the past decade. And to act like the symmetry of the league has nothing to do with it is just being naive. Its human nature that we like things to be aligned correctly, it makes us comfortable. Im not saying the NFL wouldnt be popular, but it is one of those subconscious things that helps people be drawn to it.
You understand that the 18 game schedule would take 18 of the 20 games players currently play in (playoffs not included obviously) instead of 16 of the 20. IOW players already play those games, they just call them preseason and rip off STH and fans charging full price for exhibition games. How many meaningless games were there in week 16 this year? Correct me if I'm wrong but the seeding wasn't even decided until the very last game of the night, and the day started out w/ 6 teams vying for 1 playoff spot. All that would really change is YOU (the viewer) get to see more real football in the year.
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You understand that the 18 game schedule would take 18 of the 20 games players currently play in (playoffs not included obviously) instead of 16 of the 20. IOW players already play those games, they just call them preseason and rip off STH and fans charging full price for exhibition games. How many meaningless games were there in week 16 this year? Correct me if I'm wrong but the seeding wasn't even decided until the very last game of the night, and the day started out w/ 6 teams vying for 1 playoff spot. All that would really change is YOU (the viewer) get to see more real football in the year.
Are you 100% confident that is what they would do? I know thats what all the pundits & others say "Oh, they will just convert 2 preseason games" but do you honestly think its out of the realm of possibility that the owners would take that expansion as a chance to stick it to us for an EXTRA 2 games? Keep the Preseason (as coaches & GMs actually use those) and get even more money out of the move?

Again, that is only one thing to settle on. It will likely happen at some point, as I conceded before, but that doesn't mean its the correct move to make.
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