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ZoomWaffle


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play4Blood wrote:
New starters:

LG
RG
RT
TE
WR

RE
NT
DT (If Bryant walks)
MLB
SAM (If Wheeler walks)
LCB
RCB


An argument can also be made for QB, FB, and FS.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play4Blood wrote:
DOCLEW 28 wrote:
I don't think we need a new starter at TE. Meyers is just fine to me.


Awful run blocker.

Offers no RAC.

Not a threat down the seam.

Does his best work against soft zones in garbage time.

Myers is average at best, and "average" might be giving him too much credit.

I'm all for keeping him, but with no intentions of starting him, nor paying him as a starter. If another team is that misguided, let them waste their salary cap on him.


This. Hopefully, someone signs him to a big deal and we get a comp pick out of it in 2014. If he stays, he won't come anywhere close to the production he had last year outside of Knapp's TE oriented offense.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
DOCLEW 28 wrote:
I don't think we need a new starter at TE. Meyers is just fine to me.


Awful run blocker.

Offers no RAC.

Not a threat down the seam.

Does his best work against soft zones in garbage time.

Myers is average at best, and "average" might be giving him too much credit.

I'm all for keeping him, but with no intentions of starting him, nor paying him as a starter. If another team is that misguided, let them waste their salary cap on him.


This. Hopefully, someone signs him to a big deal and we get a comp pick out of it in 2014. If he stays, he won't come anywhere close to the production he had last year outside of Knapp's TE oriented offense.

I agree wouldnt mind keeping him for cheap though.

Would like to get a Stoneburner or Williams if we can get them in later rounds. Both are good blockers. Williams is better blocker and Stoneburner is better receiver.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZoomWaffle wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
New starters:

LG
RG
RT
TE
WR

RE
NT
DT (If Bryant walks)
MLB
SAM (If Wheeler walks)
LCB
RCB


An argument can also be made for QB, FB, and FS.


OUT!


Reece is a much better RB and H-Back than lead blocker. Give me a Jon Ritchie clone and let Reece play more RB and receiver.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
DOCLEW 28 wrote:
I don't think we need a new starter at TE. Meyers is just fine to me.


Awful run blocker.

Offers no RAC.

Not a threat down the seam.

Does his best work against soft zones in garbage time.

Myers is average at best, and "average" might be giving him too much credit.

I'm all for keeping him, but with no intentions of starting him, nor paying him as a starter. If another team is that misguided, let them waste their salary cap on him.


This. Hopefully, someone signs him to a big deal and we get a comp pick out of it in 2014. If he stays, he won't come anywhere close to the production he had last year outside of Knapp's TE oriented offense.


My thoughts exactly, and especially Seymour this offseason and with McFadden a year from now. Scheme for those comp picks. Give Reggie as many draft picks as possible.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
DOCLEW 28 wrote:
I don't think we need a new starter at TE. Meyers is just fine to me.


Awful run blocker.

Offers no RAC.

Not a threat down the seam.

Does his best work against soft zones in garbage time.

Myers is average at best, and "average" might be giving him too much credit.

I'm all for keeping him, but with no intentions of starting him, nor paying him as a starter. If another team is that misguided, let them waste their salary cap on him.


This. Hopefully, someone signs him to a big deal and we get a comp pick out of it in 2014. If he stays, he won't come anywhere close to the production he had last year outside of Knapp's TE oriented offense.


I agree. But he has good hands which is reliable for a QB.

I doubt he gets a big money contract. His season was solid, but he's not making the FA market salivate for his talents.

I think he's a fine TE for the offense. The issue now is fans think every TE has to be Gronkowski and if they are not a beast they suck.

Myers is right in that mold of a guy like Dennis Pitta in Baltimore. Not spectacular but a good pass catcher when called upon. If Oakland had better WRs, he'd be fine in his role.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we need a new starter at:

TE- let Myers walk if he wants over 3m/yr,,, his blocking was horrible
WR- someone needs to take DHB's starting spot
RT- Barnes isnt bad but we need an upgrade
LG- Carlisle will probably retire
RG- I suspect Brisiel gets released

P- Lechlers been average for 2-3 years, he's not worth 3-4m/yr

DE- Shaughnessy needs to hit the bench but be resigned
DT- Seymours gonna walk
MLB- Good riddance to McClain
CBx2- Adams is a backup
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play4Blood wrote:
ZoomWaffle wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
New starters:

LG
RG
RT
TE
WR

RE
NT
DT (If Bryant walks)
MLB
SAM (If Wheeler walks)
LCB
RCB


An argument can also be made for QB, FB, and FS.


OUT!


Reece is a much better RB and H-Back than lead blocker. Give me a Jon Ritchie clone and let Reece play more RB and receiver.


But keeping Reece at FB allows us to have him and McFadden on the field at the same time almost every play. Thats bad news for the defense seeing as they typically dont have to worryabout a FB. In essence, it gives us an extra target/runner. On any given play, the defense has to wonder if it is a hand off to McFadden, a hand off to Reece, or a pass in which case they have to account for two backs who are great receivers as well as our WRs and TE.

I realize Reece is no Lorenzo Neal when it comes to blocking, but in the PBS we will be running McFadden can do enough damage without a great lead blocker. He averaged over 5 YPC in two seasons in a PBS and that was with Reece as his blocker.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
The issue now is fans think every TE has to be Gronkowski and if they are not a beast they suck.


Not at all. On the contrary, Myers gets the benefit of his fanbase's rose colored glasses. Every fanbase overrates their team's players. We're some of the worst, imo.

Can you name one other team Myers could start for? I can't think of a single one.

big_palooka wrote:
Myers is right in that mold of a guy like Dennis Pitta in Baltimore. Not spectacular but a good pass catcher when called upon. If Oakland had better WRs, he'd be fine in his role.


If Myers were on Pitta's level, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Every fanbase overrates their team's players. We're some of the worst, imo..


Says the guy with our practice squad punter who has never played in a regular season game on his sig.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZoomWaffle wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
ZoomWaffle wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
New starters:

LG
RG
RT
TE
WR

RE
NT
DT (If Bryant walks)
MLB
SAM (If Wheeler walks)
LCB
RCB


An argument can also be made for QB, FB, and FS.


OUT!


Reece is a much better RB and H-Back than lead blocker. Give me a Jon Ritchie clone and let Reece play more RB and receiver.


But keeping Reece at FB allows us to have him and McFadden on the field at the same time almost every play. Thats bad news for the defense seeing as they typically dont have to worryabout a FB. In essence, it gives us an extra target/runner. On any given play, the defense has to wonder if it is a hand off to McFadden, a hand off to Reece, or a pass in which case they have to account for two backs who are great receivers as well as our WRs and TE.

I realize Reece is no Lorenzo Neal when it comes to blocking, but in the PBS we will be running McFadden can do enough damage without a great lead blocker. He averaged over 5 YPC in two seasons in a PBS and that was with Reece as his blocker.


We still won't have a strong short yardage or goalline game. That's my major concern.

You can scheme around Reece's lackluster blocking in your regular offense. But when you need that yard, and it's your goalline offense vs their goalline defense, is a converted WR really the guy you want meeting Patrick Willis in the hole?
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ZoomWaffle wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
Every fanbase overrates their team's players. We're some of the worst, imo..


Says the guy with our practice squad punter who has never played in a regular season game on his sig.


You do realize Lechler won't be a Raider next season, right?

Reggie stashed King on IR because he didn't want to risk losing him. He is, for better or worse, our punter going forward. I dunno if it'll work out, but the dude is abnormally ripped for his position. That's the purpose of the sig.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play4Blood wrote:
ZoomWaffle wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
Every fanbase overrates their team's players. We're some of the worst, imo..


Says the guy with our practice squad punter who has never played in a regular season game on his sig.


You do realize Lechler won't be a Raider next season, right?

Reggie stashed King on IR because he didn't want to risk losing him. He is, for better or worse, our punter going forward. I dunno if it'll work out, but the dude is abnormally ripped for his position. That's the purpose of the sig.


Agreed. In my mock I'm working on, I just said this:

Quote:
Shane Lechler Ė He isnít worth whatever heíll want, and we have King for an inconsistent punter with a rocket leg.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play4Blood wrote:
ZoomWaffle wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
Every fanbase overrates their team's players. We're some of the worst, imo..


Says the guy with our practice squad punter who has never played in a regular season game on his sig.


You do realize Lechler won't be a Raider next season, right?

Reggie stashed King on IR because he didn't want to risk losing him. He is, for better or worse, our punter going forward. I dunno if it'll work out, but the dude is abnormally ripped for his position. That's the purpose of the sig.


I know, I was giving you a hard time.
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ZoomWaffle wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
ZoomWaffle wrote:
Play4Blood wrote:
Every fanbase overrates their team's players. We're some of the worst, imo..


Says the guy with our practice squad punter who has never played in a regular season game on his sig.


You do realize Lechler won't be a Raider next season, right?

Reggie stashed King on IR because he didn't want to risk losing him. He is, for better or worse, our punter going forward. I dunno if it'll work out, but the dude is abnormally ripped for his position. That's the purpose of the sig.


I know, I was giving you a hard time.


Someone give me some poo to fling. I've already grown a tail this morning.
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