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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MKnight...
1. I agree with Tanard, but not with Brandon. I say bring Meriweather back for cheap. He played well in 3 quarters last year. False hope? Perhaps, but I'd rather have him than nobody.
2. Did we really trade Cousins? Confused Why? Ugh. I guess we need to draft another QB regardless if Grossman comes back. Oh, and Tim Tebow got cut. Laughing
3. I agree. I'm fine with Robinson, Riley, Zo, and possibly Kehl and Goff.
4. We don't need a WR, in my opinion. Moss, Garçon, Morgan, Hankerson, and Robinson do the job.
5. Unless we trade Helu or Royster, I see no need for a RB.
6. I've been looking to trade Hall for a while. There really hasn't been a whole lot of interest.
7. Polumbus is not the worst option in the world and I'm fine with Compton and Hurt backing him up. I don't see much of a need at RT.
The only reason I brought up getting rid of Merriweather is because I believe he has a rather high cap expense this season, around 3.5 million, which we don't really have the money to gamble on. I could be wrong on that figure though.

Could we get some kind of clarification on Cousins? Have we traded him? Have any moves at all been made yet?
yes. Mike23 traded Cousins to the chiefs for their 1st pick of the 4th round. I believe that's #127 or 128.

As for Meriweather 3 million for a starting SS with his playmaking abilities around the line of scrimmage, covering tight ends and delivering big hits across the middle is worth it. He's a bargain if he is healthy for what he can give us as a SS.

I'd keep him for one more year, keep Doughty as his back up and draft a SS prospect late like Ray Ray Armstrong (Formerly of Miami), Kenny Tate (MD) or Cooper Taykor from Richmond.
Hmmm, well I don't really think we got appropriate compensation for Cousins but this is just a game I suppose. I guess Grossman is going nowhere now.


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Mike, I say try to resign Sleepy Fred. Letting him go would be a mistake. I'm no capologist, but I'd hope for something like a 2 year deal worth approximately 7 Million. Just a guess. And if you don't like Hank, Mike, look to trade him. Why keep him if you don't like him? He doesn't drop THAT many passes.
He doesn't catch that many passes either.
in 19 games played in the NFL Hankerson has 51 receptions, 706 yds, 3 TDs and 1 safety. Not bad for a rookie in terms of playing time. Wink

I'm with 24-7. I want Fred Davis re-signed as well. I'm worried we are getting rid of a lot of players we counted on last year to win us games and we aren't going to be able to replace their production. Having Davis back gives this team an added dimension we missed the second 1/2 of the year on offense. With Fred back, Garcon and Morgan 100% healthy and our 3 young wrs Hankerson, Briscoe and Robinson with another year of experience our passing game will be a lot better.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We have 4 RFA's.

Darrel Young 4th round tender
Logan Paulsen 5th round tender
Rob Jackson 3rd round tender
Doug Worthington 7th round tender

These are my thoughts, let me know if ya'll agree.
I agree with that
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Turtle, I'm not stating we must take a WR in round 2, I just think we should keep our options open. Forcing ourselves to choose a secondary player in the 2nd is handicapping ourselves. Not only could we pass over some superior talent for a need but we would be telegraphing our pick to the rest of the league. IMO, we should select the most talented player in the 2nd from the following positions (in no particular order): WR, OT, OG, DE, OLB, FS.

Looking at those positions, for our blocking scheme I think offensive lineman can be found in later rounds. That doesn't mean I'm against drafting a stud that drops to us though. I don't think corner is a big enough need for us to draft in the 2nd round. I think our two starting corners are adequate and would look even better with an improved pass rush. This draft appears to be deep in safeties leaving me to believe we can probably land one in the 3rd round. Although again, if the perfect safety drops to us I wouldn't be mad at drafting one, I just think we can get better value here.

That leaves me with WR, DE, NT, and OLB who, IMO, we should target in the 2nd round. Our offense lacks playmakers. A dynamic WR could really stretch the field and help RG3's progression. On defense, anyone who can pressure the QB is key. We don't get enough pressure so if there's a stud 3-4 end there in the 2nd with some pass rushing moves I'd be all for that. Also, after Orakpo went down it really showed how weak our reserve OLBs are at rushing the passer. The Texans have continued to draft athletic OLBs in high rounds of the past few drafts and their pass rush is excellent.

Don't think of where we need a new starter on the team and immediately pencil that position in for our 2nd round pick. Remember the team has 53 players on the roster and the reserves (especially in some positions like Dline) can make a real impact on the game as well.
i understand what you are saying but at the same time if you don't need an upgrade at a position you don't.

Any wr we take will likey be #4 or 5 on the depth chart, even if they are our 2nd round pick.

I'm not of the opinion that a 2nd round wr will come in and be better than the talented ones we already have that have proven they can succeed in this offense.

There will be a DB, ilb, or OT worth taking in round 2 and their talent level will be on the same as any wr that is there also.

Yeah we have 53 players have plenty of wrs who can contribute and contributed last year. It's time to make our depth stronger at other positions, Especially offensive tackle and defensive back.

To me Wr is a luxury pick this year. Now next years draft of Hank, Robinson and Briscoe don't improve in the 2013 NFL season, then I'd focus on wr.
If not a WR then take a pass rusher. They impact the game a lot more than a DB, ILB or OT.
sure if they get to play. We have Orakpo and Kerrigan starting. Jackson as our #3 olb and we will keep Alexander.

Not a lot of snaps in there for a rookie olb
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys traded away our back up QB Sad I am so glad you guys are not the real front office. EPIC FAIL Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You guys traded away our back up QB Sad I am so glad you guys are not the real front office. EPIC FAIL Twisted Evil
He's possibly our starting QB at the beginning of the season and our most valueable trade chip. I agree we shouldn't have traded him for so cheap.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You guys traded away our back up QB Sad I am so glad you guys are not the real front office. EPIC FAIL Twisted Evil
He's possibly our starting QB at the beginning of the season and our most valueable trade chip. I agree we shouldn't have traded him for so cheap.


+1 It would've been nice to have at least gotten a PM relating to it. I got nothing. And I didn't see much of a discussion in here relating to it, either.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You guys traded away our back up QB Sad I am so glad you guys are not the real front office. EPIC FAIL Twisted Evil
He's possibly our starting QB at the beginning of the season and our most valueable trade chip. I agree we shouldn't have traded him for so cheap.


+1 It would've been nice to have at least gotten a PM relating to it. I got nothing. And I didn't see much of a discussion in here relating to it, either.


I would hate the trade in real life, but for FFMD purposes it gives us an extra top 100 pick to play around with and no starter was lost. I know, I know...He's an important piece. But the draft will be even more fun for us now and gives us a chance to look at more prospects.
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MKnight82 wrote:
TKellion wrote:
You guys traded away our back up QB Sad I am so glad you guys are not the real front office. EPIC FAIL Twisted Evil
He's possibly our starting QB at the beginning of the season and our most valueable trade chip. I agree we shouldn't have traded him for so cheap.


+1 It would've been nice to have at least gotten a PM relating to it. I got nothing. And I didn't see much of a discussion in here relating to it, either.


I would hate the trade in real life, but for FFMD purposes it gives us an extra top 100 pick to play around with and no starter was lost. I know, I know...He's an important piece. But the draft will be even more fun for us now and gives us a chance to look at more prospects.


finally someone gets that.

This is all meant to be fun and its no fun if you don't have draft picks to play with.

I remember doing this some time ago when we would have 2 picks and it would be awful waiting around.

Not this time.
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The Bills released George Smith,the guy is an excellent saftey.
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The Bills released George Smith,the guy is an excellent saftey.


You mean George Wilson, right? The more options we have, the better. I've seen Wilson have dominant games before but then he kinda disappears. Another decent safety added to the FA pool though.
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The Bills released George Smith,the guy is an excellent saftey.


You mean George Wilson, right? The more options we have, the better. I've seen Wilson have dominant games before but then he kinda disappears. Another decent safety added to the FA pool though.
i definitely agree! George Wilson is a good young safety, but remember he's a SS not a FS. He plays Meriweather's position. Even if we sign him, we still need to upgrade the FS spot. It's our biggest problem on our defense.
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Jets cut Tebow... Twisted Evil
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MKnight82 wrote:
TKellion wrote:
You guys traded away our back up QB Sad I am so glad you guys are not the real front office. EPIC FAIL Twisted Evil
He's possibly our starting QB at the beginning of the season and our most valueable trade chip. I agree we shouldn't have traded him for so cheap.


+1 It would've been nice to have at least gotten a PM relating to it. I got nothing. And I didn't see much of a discussion in here relating to it, either.


I would hate the trade in real life, but for FFMD purposes it gives us an extra top 100 pick to play around with and no starter was lost. I know, I know...He's an important piece. But the draft will be even more fun for us now and gives us a chance to look at more prospects.


finally someone gets that.

This is all meant to be fun and its no fun if you don't have draft picks to play with.

I remember doing this some time ago when we would have 2 picks and it would be awful waiting around.

Not this time.
while true, it's also supposed to reflect some sort of reality and in reality if we had traded Cousins for the 96th pick in the draft we would all be extremely upset with ShanAllen.

I guess my biggest problem would be that woz was against it from what he wrote a few pages back, I wasn't consultedand am against the trade, 24-7 wasn't consulted, stap wasn't consulted and mknight wasn't and we are all against it.

This is supposed to be a team thing. It would have been nice to get a PM that the trade was going down.

Oh well. It's over now. I hope we get a good player with the 96th pick. Wink
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Jets cut Tebow... Twisted Evil
no way do I want him! He can go to the cfl Laughing
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turtle28 wrote:
mike23md wrote:
SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote:
Redskins24-7 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
TKellion wrote:
You guys traded away our back up QB Sad I am so glad you guys are not the real front office. EPIC FAIL Twisted Evil
He's possibly our starting QB at the beginning of the season and our most valueable trade chip. I agree we shouldn't have traded him for so cheap.


+1 It would've been nice to have at least gotten a PM relating to it. I got nothing. And I didn't see much of a discussion in here relating to it, either.


I would hate the trade in real life, but for FFMD purposes it gives us an extra top 100 pick to play around with and no starter was lost. I know, I know...He's an important piece. But the draft will be even more fun for us now and gives us a chance to look at more prospects.


finally someone gets that.

This is all meant to be fun and its no fun if you don't have draft picks to play with.

I remember doing this some time ago when we would have 2 picks and it would be awful waiting around.

Not this time.
while true, it's also supposed to reflect some sort of reality and in reality if we had traded Cousins for the 96th pick in the draft we would all be extremely upset with ShanAllen.

I guess my biggest problem would be that woz was against it from what he wrote a few pages back, I wasn't consultedand am against the trade, 24-7 wasn't consulted, stap wasn't consulted and mknight wasn't and we are all against it.

This is supposed to be a team thing. It would have been nice to get a PM that the trade was going down.

Oh well. It's over now. I hope we get a good player with the 96th pick. Wink
Glad you said it I was thinking the same thing. What's the point in this if we have no input?
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