Spencer in contract talk with Boy's (preliminary)

MaddHatter · Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 41472 Location: Dallas, TX

2012 - 13 QBH, 14 TFL, 2 FF, 11 Sacks
2011 - 15 QBH, 12 TFL, 4 FF, 6 Sacks
2010 - 7 QBH, 5 TFL, 2 FF, 5 Sacks
2009 - 22 QBH, 13 TFL, 2 FF, 6 Sacks

In the 4 years he's started, he's only had 1 bad season (2010) - he's had 3 very good seasons. And saying he's only had 1 Pro Bowl in 6 years is asinine when he was backing up Ellis the first 2 years and the Pro Bowl is a joke anyway. In 2009 he was tied for the NFL lead with Ware for QB Hits and several times in the last 4 years he's had more Pressures+Hits+Sacks than guys who won Pro Bowls and All-Pros.

And that's just his pass rushing (which he does less often than Ware) - when his biggest strengths have been his run defense and coverage abilities. I think you put Spencer at SAM in a Von Miller role and you will have a fantastic Football Player.
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Ware Stat Tracker: 27 Pressures, 9 Hits, 10 sacks, 4 FF, 7 TFL (thru 8 games)

cowboyfanin2890 · Joined: 12 Feb 2012 Posts: 122 Location: Hayesville NC

The problem with trying to resign Spencer is simple capology. To have the money to resign Spencer we will have to restructure Romo, if we restructure Romo then that means we are going to stick with him for 3 more years(at the least). If you are saying he is your QB for 3 more years then you have to put an o-line in front of him which means we cannot resign Spencer. Can you imagine our cap in 3 years when we would have Romo at 10+ milion, Carr at 8+, Ware and Spencer at 8+ each, Tyron Smith, Bruce Carter,Sean Lee, Morris Claiborne, and Demarco Murray all either getting deals or nearing deals.

Spencer was good while here but his strengths are defending the pass and holding the edge as a 3-4 backer.One of these is what not what a 4-3 end is asked to do(hold the edge yes). So we are taking half of his strengths away. It makes more sense to sign a veteran like Freeney or Osi and try to develop a guy to work on the other side of Ware.

MaddHatter · Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 41472 Location: Dallas, TX

WizardHawk · Joined: 31 Jan 2009 Posts: 6953 Location: Hawkeye State

I'd be shocked if Spencer were to sign a Brooks type contract. I simply don't see it happening. Should that happen and Dallas was still running a 34 defense, I might be inclined to go it. But, as it is, I fully expect Spencer to want a Lamar Woodley type deal.
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Football Mensa · Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:30 pm Post subject:

MaddHatter · Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 41472 Location: Dallas, TX

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For the record I am not saying "screw it, give Anthony the money he wants". If he truly is holding out for D Ware money then sayonara. But if the team feels confident Spencer is the solution at DE opposite Ware then they should at least play hard ball with him on a contract, then potentially tag him and either keep him one more year or push hard for a trade.

DaBoys · Joined: 18 Feb 2005 Posts: 3021 Location: Lubbock Texas

Could Spencer play SOLB? All I hear is him playing DE. Carter, Lee, and Spencer would be a nice 4-3 LB crew IMO.
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MaddHatter · Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 41472 Location: Dallas, TX

Football Mensa · Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:45 pm Post subject:

Dboys88-82 · Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Posts: 1673

IMO we shouldnt re-sign spencer. If he plays at the level he did last season we may have a couple years where he is earning the money we are paying him, but towards the end of his contract it is very likely that many fans on here will be calling for his release because he is overpaid for what he is giving back in production.

It will just end up being another bad contract or "dead money" that we will be waiting to get off the books. We have seen too many of these in the past. I used to hate "almost anthony", but believe me I do recognize him as a good player after this season...he just wont be worth it in the end in my opinion. Especially considering the cap situation that we are in currently. I would rather sign some cheaper "competition guys". Some guys that we find for a bargain and might just win a starting spot and thrive on this team.

textaz03 · Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:53 pm Post subject:

I went back and looked at the size of the 2 starting DE's for Tampa from 2002 - 2007

DE Greg Spires 6-1 265lbs
DE Simeon Rice 6-5 268lbs
DE Gaines Adams 6-5 258lbs

compared to Ware and Spencer

DE Spencer 6-3 250lbs
DE Ware 6-4 254lbs

So looking at the players that Kiffen likes for his DE, Spencer can play the part. Him and Ware will each have to pack on a few pounds of muscle (at most 15), they both have the frame for it.

Now, if your worried about Spencer being on the down side of his career, then I guess Ware is as well?? You know, since Ware is a year older. Spencer doesn't have the wear and tear of a 6 year player since he sat behind Ellis for 2 years. So to say that he is in decline is just dumb. I would say, that he is coming into his prime (or 1 year into it).

If your worried about that 2010 season when it came out that he quit on plays or took plays off, well, the whole team quit that year! He had the guts to say he did it.

If your worried about sack totals, then, you have to look beyond sacks! Just like MH stated earlier, sacks dont tell the whole story. Spencer has been asked to do a hell of alot more dropping back into coverage than most OLB's. I would like to see his total numbers of coverage plays compared to his rush plays.
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