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DrRay11
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NYG wants to let more votes in as do I; we're giving it until noon tomorrow to make sure everyone's aboard (or not).
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| DrRay11 wrote: | Currently, we stand at 12 in favor (stylish313 - 3, FootballPhreak - 3, X_Factor_40 - 2.5, IDOG_Det - 2.5, Nnvicolm - 1) to 6 against. (LD26 - 1, Rockcity - 1, SllimPickens - 1, Lionsfanforever - 3).
I'm going to wait a bit longer to put in my vote but I'm leaning yes right now. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| stylish313 wrote: | Stevie Brown played 89% of snaps for NY last season, and started 11 games.
That means he started 9% more snaps than Delmas, and 3 more games. His season in 2012 was way better than any season Delmas has ever enjoyed in Detroit.
DrRay, make the trade. |
If we don't do this trade it's going to be a mistake. He's exactly what we need to add, and it's a perfect situation to get it done.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| Save The Hero wrote: | | Rockcity wrote: | | still waiting on why the Giants want to get rid of him. a playmaker for a 3rdp |
Just snooping around. To answer your question, we have ~14 million dollars invested at the safety position (not counting Stevie) and 3 great safeties. KP was franchised so he cannot be traded. Antrel was restructured so he would cost 4 million dollars more to trade than to keep, so he wouldn't make sense to trade. That leaves Stevie as the only option.
As for the price: We are realistic that teams love their draft picks and asking for a solid high 2nd round pick for him, we would get no bites. Instead of going into free agnecy next year with KP and Stevie both UFA, we are willing to trade Brown and get something for him.
Same situation as the Cruz situation for us. Have to make a decision between Cruz and Nicks, but here the decision is made for us, since we can only trade one. |
wouldnt it make sence to keep the younger guy? or you keep an older kp im not sure how much sence that makes,seems you did this just for the picks which is fine. but if he was any good id take the younger. plus dont you do alot of 3 saftey looks. i know its all for fun but something doesnt seem right about it. i mean you value him a high 2nd but you'll take a 3rd.. i think the trade should be more creative. i dont like giving up a very high 3rdp.. plus if this carried over and to be realistic we'd have to turn around and sign him next year for who knows what kind of contract. the same reasoning you let him go for. lol im just glad this aint real heh. |
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TheROARisBACK
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Yay; Forum goer
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Maverick12
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Is Brown more of a strong or free safety? Cause I really like some of the safeties in this draft and some of them could easily fall in the 3rd round.
He would be an instant upgrade over any safety we have now, and we could solidify the position in the draft I guess. Plus, his cap hit isn't too steep.
Right now it's close but I have to go with yay on this, scout.
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stylish313
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| X_Factor_40 wrote: | | stylish313 wrote: | Stevie Brown played 89% of snaps for NY last season, and started 11 games.
That means he started 9% more snaps than Delmas, and 3 more games. His season in 2012 was way better than any season Delmas has ever enjoyed in Detroit.
DrRay, make the trade. |
If we don't do this trade it's going to be a mistake. He's exactly what we need to add, and it's a perfect situation to get it done. |
I agree. We haven't had a playmaking coverage safety here for as long as I've been watching the Lions.
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X_Factor_40
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| stylish313 wrote: | | X_Factor_40 wrote: | | stylish313 wrote: | Stevie Brown played 89% of snaps for NY last season, and started 11 games.
That means he started 9% more snaps than Delmas, and 3 more games. His season in 2012 was way better than any season Delmas has ever enjoyed in Detroit.
DrRay, make the trade. |
If we don't do this trade it's going to be a mistake. He's exactly what we need to add, and it's a perfect situation to get it done. |
I agree. We haven't had a playmaking coverage safety here for as long as I've been watching the Lions. |
Exactly.
On top of that he set the Giants single season record for interception return yardage. In college he was a captain and played some linebacker as well so the guy can tackle. He has special team experience in college where he lead the Wolverines in ST tackles in 2007. His INT return yardage ranked 4th highest in a single season ever in the NFL. He had the most interceptions since 1968 for the Giants with 8, which also ranked 2nd in the NFL.
In 2012 he had 76 tackles. 11 passes defended, 8 interceptions, 307 INT return yards (38.4 yard average), 2 FF, 2 FR.
He turns 26 in July.
In comparison, Delmas turns 26 in April.
Delmas' career numbers look like this...
191 tackles, 16 passes defended, 3 interceptions, 130 INT return yards (65 yard average), 2 FF, 4 FR, 1 TD.
*As you can see, Brown's numbers in one season were almost as good if not better than Delmas' career numbers in 4 years, and Brown is much more of an impact player.*
Delmas played in 49 games in 4 years.
Brown played in 39 games in 3 years. He started 11 last year, and one for Oakland in 2010.
Brown is listed as a SS on the NYG website. He was also listed as a SS on his scouting report coming out of college, but someone else should look into what position he'd be best at.
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stylish313
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Profootball Focus has him listed as playing FS for the Giants.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| stylish313 wrote: | | Profootball Focus has him listed as playing FS for the Giants. |
Good find. I didn't spend much time looking for his position.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:03 am Post subject: |
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I'm a yay; scout
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DrRay11
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:21 am Post subject: |
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My vote is yay as well. So long as the Giants are still on board, I will send it in.
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DrRay11
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Need more votes:
Would it kill the deal for anyone if the 7th was removed?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| DrRay11 wrote: | Need more votes:
Would it kill the deal for anyone if the 7th was removed? |
I don't think it'd ruin it for me, but I'd definitwly want to keep the deal as is.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:25 am Post subject: |
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We need to decide what we want to do in tier 1 FA as well. It closes tomorrow at 8
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