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Madmike90
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| DaMike wrote: | | No you're not. He doesn't have to blitz every play. He can still matchup in coverage. |
That isn't his skill set at all. |
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DaMike
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | No you're not. He doesn't have to blitz every play. He can still matchup in coverage. |
That isn't his skill set at all. |
We did fine in college. He's not going to matchup against the 4.5 TEs but he's not bad there. |
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Madmike90
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| DaMike wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | No you're not. He doesn't have to blitz every play. He can still matchup in coverage. |
That isn't his skill set at all. |
We did fine in college. He's not going to matchup against the 4.5 TEs but he's not bad there. |
Fine in college doesn't translate to good in the pros...his skill set is as a pass rusher...that's what he was drafted to do and that's what he should be left to do as since we have had a 4 man rotation at DE we have seen better results. |
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DaMike
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | No you're not. He doesn't have to blitz every play. He can still matchup in coverage. |
That isn't his skill set at all. |
We did fine in college. He's not going to matchup against the 4.5 TEs but he's not bad there. |
Fine in college doesn't translate to good in the pros...his skill set is as a pass rusher...that's what he was drafted to do and that's what he should be left to do as since we have had a 4 man rotation at DE we have seen better results. |
His athleticism translates to a guy that could play in coverage and he has experience doing that. I'm not saying take him out of the rotation but I think the extra wrinkle could be a good thing. |
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Mudderfudder77
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| DaMike wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | No you're not. He doesn't have to blitz every play. He can still matchup in coverage. |
That isn't his skill set at all. |
We did fine in college. He's not going to matchup against the 4.5 TEs but he's not bad there. |
Fine in college doesn't translate to good in the pros...his skill set is as a pass rusher...that's what he was drafted to do and that's what he should be left to do as since we have had a 4 man rotation at DE we have seen better results. |
His athleticism translates to a guy that could play in coverage and he has experience doing that. I'm not saying take him out of the rotation but I think the extra wrinkle could be a good thing. |
No, he has great straight line speed and burst off the line. What he doesn't have is incredible agility, or the hips to turn and run if needed. We already occasionally stand him up and drop him into a zone - we don't need to move him to LB to do that.
I've yet to see one good reason why we should move him to LB - or how that gives the Bears or Shea an advantage.
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DaMike
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Mudderfudder77 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | No you're not. He doesn't have to blitz every play. He can still matchup in coverage. |
That isn't his skill set at all. |
We did fine in college. He's not going to matchup against the 4.5 TEs but he's not bad there. |
Fine in college doesn't translate to good in the pros...his skill set is as a pass rusher...that's what he was drafted to do and that's what he should be left to do as since we have had a 4 man rotation at DE we have seen better results. |
His athleticism translates to a guy that could play in coverage and he has experience doing that. I'm not saying take him out of the rotation but I think the extra wrinkle could be a good thing. |
No, he has great straight line speed and burst off the line. What he doesn't have is incredible agility, or the hips to turn and run if needed. We already occasionally stand him up and drop him into a zone - we don't need to move him to LB to do that.
I've yet to see one good reason why we should move him to LB - or how that gives the Bears or Shea an advantage. |
His latereal quickness is his best asset. It's likely why we chose him over guys like Perry and Jones. He's a very fluid athlete. |
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Madmike90
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| DaMike wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | No you're not. He doesn't have to blitz every play. He can still matchup in coverage. |
That isn't his skill set at all. |
We did fine in college. He's not going to matchup against the 4.5 TEs but he's not bad there. |
Fine in college doesn't translate to good in the pros...his skill set is as a pass rusher...that's what he was drafted to do and that's what he should be left to do as since we have had a 4 man rotation at DE we have seen better results. |
His athleticism translates to a guy that could play in coverage and he has experience doing that. I'm not saying take him out of the rotation but I think the extra wrinkle could be a good thing. |
I think given the results of our D last year we don’t need to try and implement wrinkles…we have to stick to what we do well. |
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Sugashane
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Mudderfudder77 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | No you're not. He doesn't have to blitz every play. He can still matchup in coverage. |
That isn't his skill set at all. |
We did fine in college. He's not going to matchup against the 4.5 TEs but he's not bad there. |
Fine in college doesn't translate to good in the pros...his skill set is as a pass rusher...that's what he was drafted to do and that's what he should be left to do as since we have had a 4 man rotation at DE we have seen better results. |
His athleticism translates to a guy that could play in coverage and he has experience doing that. I'm not saying take him out of the rotation but I think the extra wrinkle could be a good thing. |
No, he has great straight line speed and burst off the line. What he doesn't have is incredible agility, or the hips to turn and run if needed. We already occasionally stand him up and drop him into a zone - we don't need to move him to LB to do that.
I've yet to see one good reason why we should move him to LB - or how that gives the Bears or Shea an advantage. |
More time on the field, IE-getting experience. If he already drops into a zone then the coaches think he is competent and mobile enough to do so anyway. He was the first round pick, so he should be a playmaker. And the Sam isn't dropping into a deep zone in our defense, so his range doesn't have to be fantastic. H e did a lot of coverage in college, so it isn't like we are taking Paea or Wooten and putting them in space. |
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Mudderfudder77
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Sugashane wrote: | | More time on the field, IE-getting experience. |
As a LB? He doesn't need more experience as a LB - he needs it at DE, that's his position.
| Quote: | | If he already drops into a zone then the coaches think he is competent and mobile enough to do so anyway. |
There is a big difference between doing it as a DE dropping into a short-zone to cover a hook one or two plays a game - and playing SLB for 40 snaps.
| Quote: | | He was the first round pick, so he should be a playmaker. |
He is a playmaker - in limited snaps he had the third-most disruptions on the team.
| Quote: | | And the Sam isn't dropping into a deep zone in our defense, so his range doesn't have to be fantastic. |
No, but it would be more than he has. Additionally now you are taking our quickest DE, with a terrific first step and you are putting him 5 yards further away from the QB. I don't see the point
| Quote: | | H e did a lot of coverage in college, so it isn't like we are taking Paea or Wooten and putting them in space. |
Thats a little misleading. According to those who watched Boise ST religously - Shea lined up with his hand in the dirt 70% of the time. He played some OLB, and a very little MLB. But he stayed at DE because thats were he was best and his talents were most valuable.
He's going to get plenty of time at DE - even with Peppers and Wooten starting. He needs to get stronger, but he's already extremely effective at DE - I see no reason to change whats worked.
Just like peoples fascination with the 34, this seems like change for the sake of change.
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IronMike84
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't it a little hypocritical to insist that the new staff moves McClellin to LB when one of the biggest knocks on Lovie's staff was the repeated switching of player positions, especially of Danieal Manning and Chris Williams?
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Slaymont Harris
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Shea just needs to learn some more pass rush moves and get a little stronger IMO. I have no problem with using him a little as a 3/4 OLB style roamer or dropping him into a short zone on a zone blitz, but those should be wrinkles and not full time responsibilities. |
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Selkiesxx
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| Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:45 am Post subject: |
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I can't believe someone said Shea wasn't making an impact. The games he didn't play in, we barely had any pressures. The kid seemingly almost always got to the quarterback when he was in the field.
He has a bright future. Remember, he's still pretty raw.
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