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scar988


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swift924 wrote:
GrimeyKid wrote:
what would be the cap hit of cutting peria jerry?


Falcons will save about a 1 million . Jerry is most likely gone and chalk up as a bust draft pick

It's 905k. that's not enough to not bring a guy into camp over. Especially since we are doing the top 51 rule this year.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends how tight against the cap we get at the end, but broadly agree with Scar.

Keep him till the draft, then if we get great value on a DT or 2 then we can take the DTs, cut Jerry and pick up a min salary vet at LB/CB (rather than drafting one) to play on ST and balance the roster.

However, as always I'm just one vote so if most people want to cut him I won't stand in the way.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
GrimeyKid wrote:
what would be the cap hit of cutting peria jerry?


Falcons will save about a 1 million . Jerry is most likely gone and chalk up as a bust draft pick

It's 905k. that's not enough to not bring a guy into camp over. Especially since we are doing the top 51 rule this year.


about 1 million is 900k . So there was no need to type that nonsense . 2nd Falcons are going to move on from Jerry and they will be likely drafting a DT in the first rounds.

Babs
Walker
Peters
Draft Pick - starter
Robertson
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some preliminary thoughts on a trade block:

Michael Turner - obviously
Peria Jerry - not my favourite guy
Dunta Robinson - if done before FA
Mike Johnson - has value as a versatile backup on cheap deal

What are people's thoughts on moving a DT? I think we probably need the vet leadership that Babs offers, but would you move Peters?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swift924 wrote:
Babs
Walker
Peters
Draft Pick - starter
Robertson


Agreed that in real life this is very possible - although depending on value we may not go DT in Rd1 so Peters would be the starter early on.

However, in the wonderful world of FFMD, Vance Walker may well get more money than we can afford. Until after FA, I'd like to hold on to Jerry.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swift924 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
Swift924 wrote:
GrimeyKid wrote:
what would be the cap hit of cutting peria jerry?


Falcons will save about a 1 million . Jerry is most likely gone and chalk up as a bust draft pick

It's 905k. that's not enough to not bring a guy into camp over. Especially since we are doing the top 51 rule this year.


about 1 million is 900k . So there was no need to type that nonsense . 2nd Falcons are going to move on from Jerry and they will be likely drafting a DT in the first rounds.

Babs
Walker
Peters
Draft Pick - starter
Robertson

and they'll still keep him through camp. under 1M in savings isn't enough to warrant cutting someone.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrawABlank wrote:
Some preliminary thoughts on a trade block:

Michael Turner - obviously
Peria Jerry - not my favourite guy
Dunta Robinson - if done before FA
Mike Johnson - has value as a versatile backup on cheap deal

What are people's thoughts on moving a DT? I think we probably need the vet leadership that Babs offers, but would you move Peters?


Mike Johnson is a no. I would just cut Turner and Robinson to be honest with you.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry - I promise I'm not pading my post count - these are all separate thoughts while I "watch" the Pro Bowl:

By my calculations (Scar can confirm) there are five players on our roster that we save over $2m by cutting (without using the post June-1 designation)

Turner - probably cut him anyway
Dunta - restructure or cut
Ryan - yeah, no
Roddy - likewise
Matt Bryant

We'll probably have a 7th round comp pick; rookie kickers were great last year; saves $2m for a defensive upgrade in FA.....you see where I'm going here.

Can we talk about this, or is it verboten after the Seattle game and the number of times he's saved our bacon?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
Mike Johnson is a no. I would just cut Turner and Robinson to be honest with you.


Why not explore (I'm not saying do it, I'm saying explore the value we could get) trading Johnson?

- He's only under contract for 1 more year
- He's not shown he has the ability to start
- Hawley and Holmes are decent options as #4 Interior and #3 Tackle, so Johnson is 8th OL and not even active next year on gamedays?
- He could be a decent choice for a OL starved team like the Bears/Cards/Chargers who need immediate veteran help.

A lineup of

Baker/Other FA
Blalock
Konz
Draft Pick/Reynolds
Clabo

+ Holmes, Hawley, Manley, Svitek/FA/UDFA

Looks alright to me. What do people think?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrawABlank wrote:
Sorry - I promise I'm not pading my post count - these are all separate thoughts while I "watch" the Pro Bowl:

By my calculations (Scar can confirm) there are five players on our roster that we save over $2m by cutting (without using the post June-1 designation)

Turner - probably cut him anyway
Dunta - restructure or cut
Ryan - yeah, no
Roddy - likewise
Matt Bryant

We'll probably have a 7th round comp pick; rookie kickers were great last year; saves $2m for a defensive upgrade in FA.....you see where I'm going here.

Can we talk about this, or is it verboten after the Seattle game and the number of times he's saved our bacon?

lol, no. you don't cut a clutch guy like Bryant until his leg falls off.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Falcons don't really have any attractive players to trade outside Spoon or Nicholas . Chances are Spoon is not going anywhere even though he is overrated by our fan base .Falcons lack depth and good young players that we could move without it hindering team . Doubt we can get late round pick for Mike Johnson .
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:

lol, no. you don't cut a clutch guy like Bryant until his leg falls off.


Jason Elam was clutch....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cuts I recommend:
Michael Turner - saves $5.5 Million
Dunta Robinson - saves $4.6 Million

Re-structures:
Matt Ryan - big extension. I will PM you with structure.
Jonathan Babineaux - in his final year. making 4.7M. can fix his hit to much lower.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swift924 wrote:
Falcons don't really have any attractive players to trade outside Spoon or Nicholas . Chances are Spoon is not going anywhere even though he is overrated by our fan base .Falcons lack depth and good young players that we could move without it hindering team . Doubt we can get late round pick for Mike Johnson .
be quiet you eternal pessimist. you will always say our best players suck.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
cuts I recommend:
Michael Turner - saves $5.5 Million
Dunta Robinson - saves $4.6 Million

Re-structures:
Matt Ryan - big extension. I will PM you with structure.
Jonathan Babineaux - in his final year. making 4.7M. can fix his hit to much lower.


On Robinson - I think I'm right in saying that if you designate him as a post June-1 cut, he would count as only $2.4m against the 2013 cap - $1.4m from the $7m SB and $1m from the $5m Option Bonus.

The remaining $3m of dead money would be carried on the 2014 cap. So our actual saving would be $8m. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If so, is that an option worth pursuing, or would it compromise us in 2014?

Agreed on Ryan/Babs extensions - is there a workable way we could extend Roddy and still maintain cap flexibility down the road?

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PS - If anyone else other than me, Scar and swift is reading this, feel free to chime in - the more the merrier!
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