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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've gone through our cap situation yesterday and if I'm not mistaking, we could save 12,5 million (2 million dead money) by releasing Smith and 7.6 million (500k dead money) by releasing Vilma. Others I would release:

TE David Thomas, would save us $1.7 Million (500k dead money)
LB Will Herring, would save us $1.6 Million (333k dead money)

In case of our two safeties, trading Harper would result in $3.5 million dead money and would free up $3.6 million in cap space. Jenkins would save us around $3.7 million and would result in $50k dead money.

Hope I didn't make anything wrong here...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick cap calculation:

We are currently 14.7 million over the cap (according to bleacherreport).

Those are players we are consider moving or releasing them and their respective cap number we could save:

David Hawtorne - $1.7 Million ($ 3 million dead money)
Will Smith - $12.5 Million ($2 million dead money)
Jonathan Vilma - $8 Million ($500k dead money)
David Thomas - $1.7 Million ($500k dead money)
Will Herring - $1.6 Million ($333k dead money)
Jay Richardson - $715k

We could save $24.515 Million by making these moves and would be under the cap by $11.515 Million. This also includes $6.333 Million in dead money

We will also save some money due to this 51 rule and could trade either Thomas (saves us $2.5 million) or Sproles (saves us $2.25 million).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we save 1.7 million, but have to take on 3 million of dead cap, is it really worth even getting rid of Hawthorne? Might as well keep him unless we get good compensation.

Also what do the numbers look on Jahri Evans if we were to trade him out of curiosity, don't think we will but ti's something good to know IMO. Same with Jabari Greer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raves wrote:
If we save 1.7 million, but have to take on 3 million of dead cap, is it really worth even getting rid of Hawthorne? Might as well keep him unless we get good compensation.

Also what do the numbers look on Jahri Evans if we were to trade him out of curiosity, don't think we will but ti's something good to know IMO. Same with Jabari Greer.


For Hawthorne I thought the same when I saw those numbers...

Trading Evans would result in a $6 million cap penalty and we would only save around $ 3 million. Greer would give us nearly $4 million in dead money and free up only $1.5 million cap space...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whodatworm23 wrote:
Raves wrote:
whodatworm23 wrote:
I officially vote NO to any trade that comes in for Brees & Graham!


Brees, I agree, Graham though, I wouldn't automatically say no, but the trade has to be really good. Right now the thing keeping me from wanting to say yes to that trade is the fact that Hali has a big cap number while Graham is almost nothing, which is a big factor in this IMO.


THe only trade I'd even consider for Graham from the Chiefs is this...

Chiefs
1st round pick
3rd round pick
OLB Justin Houston (Not Hali)

Saints
TE Jimmy Graham


I AGREE WITH WORM HERE!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LOL at some of the offers I've received for Jimmy Graham. Gotta love FFMD.


Without naming teams, what were some of the offers? I'm guessing a 2nd or like 2 3rds
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raves wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
LOL at some of the offers I've received for Jimmy Graham. Gotta love FFMD.


Without naming teams, what were some of the offers? I'm guessing a 2nd or like 2 3rds
Yep and there was one offer giving us a 2nd rounder and a future first rounder, but that offer was from one of our divison rivals.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I'm new but I love things like this. Can I be PoPP?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know I'm new but I love things like this. Can I be PoPP?

Of course! Welcome aboard!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raves wrote:
If we save 1.7 million, but have to take on 3 million of dead cap, is it really worth even getting rid of Hawthorne? Might as well keep him unless we get good compensation.

Also what do the numbers look on Jahri Evans if we were to trade him out of curiosity, don't think we will but ti's something good to know IMO. Same with Jabari Greer.

Does dead cap even effect this?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raves wrote:
If we save 1.7 million, but have to take on 3 million of dead cap, is it really worth even getting rid of Hawthorne? Might as well keep him unless we get good compensation.

Also what do the numbers look on Jahri Evans if we were to trade him out of curiosity, don't think we will but ti's something good to know IMO. Same with Jabari Greer.


No way would I get rid of Hawthorne. Considering the dead money...it just isn't worth it. God forbid we don't improve our SOLB situation and Wilson has to start there. Then Hawthorne is the guy at SILB. And good thing because he is probably the best coverage LB on the team outside of Castillas who is too small for full time SILB.

At worst, the Saints have to pay him the extra $1.7 million on his contract but the Saints get a good backup.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dead money as far as I know doesn't effect FFMD at all
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harper41 wrote:
Dead money as far as I know doesn't effect FFMD at all
i think you're wrong on this one. Not 100% sure, but i thought the signing Bonus is guaranteed and we would lose that dead Money
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harper41 wrote:
Dead money as far as I know doesn't effect FFMD at all


It does.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porter22 wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
Dead money as far as I know doesn't effect FFMD at all
i think you're wrong on this one. Not 100% sure, but i thought the signing Bonus is guaranteed and we would lose that dead Money

So would trading Hawthorne cost us money?!??
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