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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninjapirate wrote:
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jrry32 wrote:
From what I read, Ted Donatell is getting heavy consideration.


Ed Donatell* Wink

He was a 4-3 Coach, but the 2 years with SF and the 2 years under Mike Nolan might made him into a 3-4 guy.

A little odd to say they're going 3-4 before hiring a DC.



Eagles are supposedly going to a 3-4 without a coordinator in place too.


We're rumored, Saints is going 3-4. And Kelly had a 3-4 Defense at Oregon. Sean Payton had 3-4 defense at Dallas, but that's different, because he was an assistant.
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Saints can change scheme and DC all they want, need to add talent before their DC is even close to be respectable.
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Saints can change scheme and DC all they want, need to add talent before their DC is even close to be respectable.


Akiem Hicks, Cameron Jordan, Martez Wilson, and Junior Gallette all have potential and talent, but can't maximize it in a 4-3.

Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne are both starting quality LBers.

They need a legit pass rusher and secondary help, but lets not act like they've got nobody.
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RainbowCarebear wrote:
Saints can change scheme and DC all they want, need to add talent before their DC is even close to be respectable.


Akiem Hicks, Cameron Jordan, Martez Wilson, and Junior Gallette all have potential and talent, but can't maximize it in a 4-3.

Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne are both starting quality LBers.

They need a legit pass rusher and secondary help, but lets not act like they've got nobody.
hate to break it to you, but Wilson and Galette are mediocre at best. They couldn't crack a starting lineup on well... any other defense in the NFC south, let alone the rest of the NFL.

Lofton and Hawthorne are perfect for your ILB roles though. Especially Lofton as a Ted. he's a great fit there.
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scar988 wrote:
tylerdouglass wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
Saints can change scheme and DC all they want, need to add talent before their DC is even close to be respectable.


Akiem Hicks, Cameron Jordan, Martez Wilson, and Junior Gallette all have potential and talent, but can't maximize it in a 4-3.

Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne are both starting quality LBers.

They need a legit pass rusher and secondary help, but lets not act like they've got nobody.
hate to break it to you, but Wilson and Galette are mediocre at best. They couldn't crack a starting lineup on well... any other defense in the NFC south, let alone the rest of the NFL.

Lofton and Hawthorne are perfect for your ILB roles though. Especially Lofton as a Ted. he's a great fit there.

Galette is a great fit at 3-4 OLB, especially as an edge rusher and Wilson has switched from DE to OLB back to DE in the NFL, lets give him a break.
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With the Parcells connection, Mangini or Crennel would seem like the obvious choice.

Both would be outstanding fits. Mangini has never been a DC, but he called plays for the Jets defense second half of the 07 season and we were 1000 times better for it.


Mangini was the DC in New England in 2005
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Galette is the Saints best pass rusher and he should've been the starter over Wil Smith. I think he'll be a pretty good OLB in the 3-4.
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scar988 wrote:
tylerdouglass wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
Saints can change scheme and DC all they want, need to add talent before their DC is even close to be respectable.


Akiem Hicks, Cameron Jordan, Martez Wilson, and Junior Gallette all have potential and talent, but can't maximize it in a 4-3.

Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne are both starting quality LBers.

They need a legit pass rusher and secondary help, but lets not act like they've got nobody.
hate to break it to you, but Wilson and Galette are mediocre at best. They couldn't crack a starting lineup on well... any other defense in the NFC south, let alone the rest of the NFL.

Lofton and Hawthorne are perfect for your ILB roles though. Especially Lofton as a Ted. he's a great fit there.

Galette is a great fit at 3-4 OLB, especially as an edge rusher and Wilson has switched from DE to OLB back to DE in the NFL, lets give him a break.
I was being nice calling them both mediocre...
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scar988 wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
tylerdouglass wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
Saints can change scheme and DC all they want, need to add talent before their DC is even close to be respectable.


Akiem Hicks, Cameron Jordan, Martez Wilson, and Junior Gallette all have potential and talent, but can't maximize it in a 4-3.

Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne are both starting quality LBers.

They need a legit pass rusher and secondary help, but lets not act like they've got nobody.
hate to break it to you, but Wilson and Galette are mediocre at best. They couldn't crack a starting lineup on well... any other defense in the NFC south, let alone the rest of the NFL.

Lofton and Hawthorne are perfect for your ILB roles though. Especially Lofton as a Ted. he's a great fit there.

Galette is a great fit at 3-4 OLB, especially as an edge rusher and Wilson has switched from DE to OLB back to DE in the NFL, lets give him a break.
I was being nice calling them both mediocre...


It's not their fault they didn't start. Just a case of the stubbornness of our coaching this past season.
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scar988 wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
tylerdouglass wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
Saints can change scheme and DC all they want, need to add talent before their DC is even close to be respectable.


Akiem Hicks, Cameron Jordan, Martez Wilson, and Junior Gallette all have potential and talent, but can't maximize it in a 4-3.

Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne are both starting quality LBers.

They need a legit pass rusher and secondary help, but lets not act like they've got nobody.
hate to break it to you, but Wilson and Galette are mediocre at best. They couldn't crack a starting lineup on well... any other defense in the NFC south, let alone the rest of the NFL.

Lofton and Hawthorne are perfect for your ILB roles though. Especially Lofton as a Ted. he's a great fit there.

Galette is a great fit at 3-4 OLB, especially as an edge rusher and Wilson has switched from DE to OLB back to DE in the NFL, lets give him a break.
I was being nice calling them both mediocre...


Than you don't know nothing about them. Galette played like 30% of our snaps (thanks spags) and still had 5 sacks this year. He was by far our best pass rusher and spags still played this guy named will smith who couldn't do anything. Wilson is getting better every year since we drafted him and will benefit greatly from this move. Just watch out for next year, matt ryan won't go untouched anymore!
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tbperk wrote:
Spiel612 wrote:
With the Parcells connection, Mangini or Crennel would seem like the obvious choice.

Both would be outstanding fits. Mangini has never been a DC, but he called plays for the Jets defense second half of the 07 season and we were 1000 times better for it.


Mangini was the DC in New England in 2005


Totally forgot about that. For some reason I also associate him as the New England defensive backs coach only.
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Porter22 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
tylerdouglass wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
Saints can change scheme and DC all they want, need to add talent before their DC is even close to be respectable.


Akiem Hicks, Cameron Jordan, Martez Wilson, and Junior Gallette all have potential and talent, but can't maximize it in a 4-3.

Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne are both starting quality LBers.

They need a legit pass rusher and secondary help, but lets not act like they've got nobody.
hate to break it to you, but Wilson and Galette are mediocre at best. They couldn't crack a starting lineup on well... any other defense in the NFC south, let alone the rest of the NFL.

Lofton and Hawthorne are perfect for your ILB roles though. Especially Lofton as a Ted. he's a great fit there.

Galette is a great fit at 3-4 OLB, especially as an edge rusher and Wilson has switched from DE to OLB back to DE in the NFL, lets give him a break.
I was being nice calling them both mediocre...


Than you don't know nothing about them. Galette played like 30% of our snaps (thanks spags) and still had 5 sacks this year. He was by far our best pass rusher and spags still played this guy named will smith who couldn't do anything. Wilson is getting better every year since we drafted him and will benefit greatly from this move. Just watch out for next year, matt ryan won't go untouched anymore!

If there's one thing I do know about, it's football. And if there's one thing I know in football it's defensive front 7 talent. Galette and Wilson are mediocre at best. You have very little talent for a move to the 3-4 outside of Lofton, Hawthorne and Cam Jordan.
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scar988 wrote:
Porter22 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
Harper41 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
tylerdouglass wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
Saints can change scheme and DC all they want, need to add talent before their DC is even close to be respectable.


Akiem Hicks, Cameron Jordan, Martez Wilson, and Junior Gallette all have potential and talent, but can't maximize it in a 4-3.

Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne are both starting quality LBers.

They need a legit pass rusher and secondary help, but lets not act like they've got nobody.
hate to break it to you, but Wilson and Galette are mediocre at best. They couldn't crack a starting lineup on well... any other defense in the NFC south, let alone the rest of the NFL.

Lofton and Hawthorne are perfect for your ILB roles though. Especially Lofton as a Ted. he's a great fit there.

Galette is a great fit at 3-4 OLB, especially as an edge rusher and Wilson has switched from DE to OLB back to DE in the NFL, lets give him a break.
I was being nice calling them both mediocre...


Than you don't know nothing about them. Galette played like 30% of our snaps (thanks spags) and still had 5 sacks this year. He was by far our best pass rusher and spags still played this guy named will smith who couldn't do anything. Wilson is getting better every year since we drafted him and will benefit greatly from this move. Just watch out for next year, matt ryan won't go untouched anymore!

If there's one thing I do know about, it's football. And if there's one thing I know in football it's defensive front 7 talent. Galette and Wilson are mediocre at best. You have very little talent for a move to the 3-4 outside of Lofton, Hawthorne and Cam Jordan.
and why is that? You can spot mediocre DL when you see em? Wink Seriously though, you're misinformed. Wilson hasn't had a full season at a position yet and Galette has shown plenty of pass rush. Galette and Wilson will benefit from this switch. The fact that you didn't even mention Akiem Hicks shows me you like to think you're a little more informed than you actually are, he should benefit greatly from this switch. He's a perfect 3-4 DE, which is what he played on college.
Theirs a reason Saints fans have wanted a switch to the 3-4 this whole year, our front 7 fits way better.
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Why do some people think Spags is going to Philly? I'll give you two reasons he's not:

1) He worked under the old Eagles regime (Reid, Jim Johnson, Banner) - he's got no connection with the new Philly regime, and

2) If Saints fans said their personnel was better suited to the 3-4 last year, but Spags stubbornly stuck with the 4-3, why would Eagles going to hire him when they are supposed to be switching to a 3-4?

No idea where he lands, but it won't be with Philly, and it won't be with the Giants, either, even though he's a better DC than Perry Fool.

He's beloved in Philly. I think it would really get people behind Chip Kelly if they weren't already. That's not a reason to hire someone but it certainly is a big incentive.

And those are just rumors that the Eagles want to run a 3-4 next year.
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scar988 wrote:
tylerdouglass wrote:
RainbowCarebear wrote:
Saints can change scheme and DC all they want, need to add talent before their DC is even close to be respectable.


Akiem Hicks, Cameron Jordan, Martez Wilson, and Junior Gallette all have potential and talent, but can't maximize it in a 4-3.

Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne are both starting quality LBers.

They need a legit pass rusher and secondary help, but lets not act like they've got nobody.
hate to break it to you, but Wilson and Galette are mediocre at best. They couldn't crack a starting lineup on well... any other defense in the NFC south, let alone the rest of the NFL.

Lofton and Hawthorne are perfect for your ILB roles though. Especially Lofton as a Ted. he's a great fit there.


A Falcons fan that knows more about the Saints than Saints fans. Ok.
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