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Ether
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| Dropkick_pride wrote: | | Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | Winslow80 wrote: | | If we dont get a starting CB in Free Agency what do you guys think about the Honey Badger in the 4th? |
Possible better fit at FS, IMO not skilled enough to play outside in the nfl |
IMO, its not worth the wasted draft pick. He has zero between the ears, and that does not go well in the NFL today. |
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Dropkick_pride
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Ether wrote: | | Dropkick_pride wrote: | | Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | Winslow80 wrote: | | If we dont get a starting CB in Free Agency what do you guys think about the Honey Badger in the 4th? |
Possible better fit at FS, IMO not skilled enough to play outside in the nfl |
IMO, its not worth the wasted draft pick. He has zero between the ears, and that does not go well in the NFL today. |
boo hoo he likes weed so does everybody |
Seriuosly? Haha okay. 
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duke2056
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| Entropy wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | Entropy, like I said before, we disagree about one major thing.
You think the front 7 carries the same importance as the secondary.
I disagree. I think a really good front 7 with an average secondary is a LOT better than a really good secondary with an average front 7. So, I think the front 7 is more important than the secondary. I real good front 7 will mask any other deficiencies much more than a good secondary will IMO.
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Yes, we disagree on that. Can you explain how a good front 7 consitently prevents a QB from passing for a 1st down without consitently good play from the secondary?
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You say a real good front 7 will still allow the QB to throw over half the time. Well, an average front 7 will allow them to get off a clean throw almost ALL the time. Not to mention, even a GREAT secondary can only cover for so long, so that works both ways.
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An average front 7 still let's the QB get a clean throw off over half the time. That's the point. There are no defensive front 7s in the NFL that allows a QB to get a clean throw off anywhere near all the time, not even the worst in the NFL. The difference between the best and the worst will probably only be a few dozen plays or so.
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You get a sack or stop a RB for a loss of 2 or 3, and chances are that drive is stalling. |
Sure, if you have a good secondary that can take advantage of a hurry by the front 7 or just cover the receivers for 3+ seconds. Otherwise, the outcome may be one of literally hundreds of 20+ yard completions.
Weeden had 48 all by himself (13th in the NFL) and you know as well as I do that some of them came after runs for losses or sacks.
No QB was sacked more than Aaron Rodgers (51 times) and he had 54 plays of 20+ yards. His team also has an exceptional front 7. They still gave up 2 passing TDs and 2 rushing TDs to the QB in a playoff game. Maybe look at what their secondary did (or didn't do) in that game. |
I didnt say HORRIBLE secondary. I said AVERAGE secondary. Even an average secondary will more often than not help stall out a drive that starts with a loss on 1st down.
Remember, a really good front 7 does more than pressure a QB on pass plays. A really good front 7 helps immensely against the run, not to mention on 3rd and short, 4th and short, and near the goaline.
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