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fasel1515


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: 2012 Were they worth it? Reply with quote

Just an idea... I pulled the salary numbers for our 2012 Miami Dolphins. With all the talk about contract values I want to look back at how much our team made this previous year. Just take a look and make some comments on it as I will as well. Tell me your overpaids, underpaids, steals, thoughts...

1 Jake Long $12,800,000
2 Karlos Dansby $10,725,000
3 Reggie Bush $6,025,000
4 Kevin Burnett $5,300,000
5 Randy Starks $5,000,000
6 Richie Incognito $4,883,333
7 Anthony Fasano $4,375,000
8 Paul Soliai $4,375,000
9 Tony McDaniel $4,157,500
10 Richard Marshall $3,716,667
11 Davone Bess $3,033,000
12 Dan Carpenter $2,862,500
13 Matt Moore $2,500,000
14 Ryan Tannehill $2,302,500
15 Cameron Wake $2,190,000
16 Mike Pouncey $2,104,476
17 Lydon Murtha $1,927,000
18 Jared Odrick $1,807,922
19 Brandon Fields $1,728,000
20 Brian Hartline $1,434,243
21 Nate Garner $1,400,000
22 Chris Clemons $1,348,625
23 Koa Misi $1,043,000
24 Jason Trusnik $1,000,000
25 John Denney $988,750
26 Jonathan Martin $869,867
27 Sean Smith $801,250
28 Daniel Thomas $781,500
29 John Jerry $754,625
30 Reshad Jones $580,075
31 Olivier Vernon $549,520
32 Anthony Armstrong $540,000
33 Will Barker $540,000
34 Ray Feinga $540,000
35 Andre Fluellen $540,000
36 Jeron Mastrud $540,000
37 Legedu Naanee $540,000
38 Troy Nolan $540,000
39 Austin Spitler $540,000
40 R.J. Stanford $540,000
41 Nolan Carroll $537,937
42 Michael Egnew $537,239
43 Lamar Miller $511,500
44 Charles Clay $493,250
45 Marlon Moore $490,000
46 Jimmy Wilson $476,475
47 Quinten Lawrence $465,000
48 Will Yeatman $465,000
49 Kheeston Randall $405,612
50 Rishard Matthews $402,848
51 Vince Agnew $390,000
52 Pat Devlin $390,000
53 Jonathan Freeny $390,000
54 Jorvorskie Lane $390,000
55 Shelly Lyons $390,000
56 Josh Samuda $390,000
57 Kevyn Scott $390,000
58 Derrick Shelby $390,000
59 Marcus Thigpen $390,000
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fasel1515


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- Look at how much Jake Long accounted for our salary cap. That money is much better served elsewhere.

- Incognito and Fasano as our 6th and 7th highest paid players was surprising. They play relatively lower important positions and do not really excel at them.

- Richard Marshall got a nice little contract and needs to stay healthy so that I can see if he is worth it or not.

- Carpenter was real overpaid for how he kicked this year.

- Ireland got Cameron Wake on a excellent contract. Great work by the GM on that one.

- Hartline at 1.4 mil will get a nice little raise this year regardless.

- Reshad Jones needs to be extended now...

- Legedu Naanee made 540,000 for literally nothing. He should have paid the Dolphins money for his performance.

- Marcus Thigpen provided great value. One thing Ireland does well is find undrafted FA.

Top 5 Overpaid
1) Jake Long
2) Dan Carpenter
3) Anthony Fasano
4) Richie Incognito
5) Lydon Murtha

Top 5 Steals
1) Cameron Wake
2) Reshad Jones
3) Mike Pouncey
4) Brandon Fields
5) Brian Hartline
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green4gulf


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fasel1515 wrote:
- Look at how much Jake Long accounted for our salary cap. That money is much better served elsewhere.

- Incognito and Fasano as our 6th and 7th highest paid players was surprising. They play relatively lower important positions and do not really excel at them.

- Richard Marshall got a nice little contract and needs to stay healthy so that I can see if he is worth it or not.

- Carpenter was real overpaid for how he kicked this year.

- Ireland got Cameron Wake on a excellent contract. Great work by the GM on that one.

- Hartline at 1.4 mil will get a nice little raise this year regardless.

- Reshad Jones needs to be extended now...

- Legedu Naanee made 540,000 for literally nothing. He should have paid the Dolphins money for his performance.

- Marcus Thigpen provided great value. One thing Ireland does well is find undrafted FA.

Top 5 Overpaid
1) Jake Long
2) Dan Carpenter
3) Anthony Fasano
4) Richie Incognito
5) Lydon Murtha

Top 5 Steals
1) Cameron Wake
2) Reshad Jones
3) Mike Pouncey
4) Brandon Fields
5) Brian Hartline


I concur with the above lists except I'd place Dansby at #2 on the Overpaid.
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Manlaw15


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cam Wake is the best value on the team and i still believe Ireland is going to renegotiate Dansby's contract.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top 5 Overpaid:
1. Long - it has to be. for that much money he needs to play like the best LT in the league, and he hasn't / can't (?) in this scheme.
2. McDaniel - $4 million for a backup DT who doesn't play much
3. Incognito - he is an okay to good guard, but not worth $5 million in this scheme
4. Bush - $6 million for under 1k yards and limited impact
5. Dansby - good player, but not worth $10 million

Notice that all of these players are FA signings.

Top 5 Steals
1. Pouncey - $2 million for one of the best centers in the league? Yes please
2. Wake - Makes less than 100k more than Pouncey (I'll reiterate great extension by Ireland here)
3. Jones - 580k for a borderline probowler
4. Sean Smith - 800k
5. Hartline - 1.4 mil is a steal for his production

Notice they're all in their rookie contracts with the exception of Wake. Most of the "steals" are probably going to end up like that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cddolphin wrote:
Top 5 Overpaid:
1. Long - it has to be. for that much money he needs to play like the best LT in the league, and he hasn't / can't (?) in this scheme.
2. McDaniel - $4 million for a backup DT who doesn't play much
3. Incognito - he is an okay to good guard, but not worth $5 million in this scheme
4. Bush - $6 million for under 1k yards and limited impact
5. Dansby - good player, but not worth $10 million

Notice that all of these players are FA signings.

Top 5 Steals
1. Pouncey - $2 million for one of the best centers in the league? Yes please
2. Wake - Makes less than 100k more than Pouncey (I'll reiterate great extension by Ireland here)
3. Jones - 580k for a borderline probowler
4. Sean Smith - 800k
5. Hartline - 1.4 mil is a steal for his production

Notice they're all in their rookie contracts with the exception of Wake. Most of the "steals" are probably going to end up like that.


I completely agree with this....I like Bush, but outside of maybe Peterson no RB is worth more then 4 million a year....especially in the age of Passing offenses.
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Judson49


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Lydon Murtha's agent is out there reading this, please can you assist me in contract negotiations with my employer.

Just as a note here, while we are all eagerly awaiting Free Agency due to the cash at Ireland's disposal, I find myself glancing at recently acquired free agent Richard Marshall's number on that list with concern. Injury or no injury, that is an overpaid young man.
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freak_of_nature


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:33 pm    Post subject: Just for reference, FA's are in BOLD Reply with quote

1 Jake Long $12,800,000
2 Karlos Dansby $10,725,000
3 Reggie Bush $6,025,000
4 Kevin Burnett $5,300,000
5 Randy Starks $5,000,000
6 Richie Incognito $4,883,333
7 Anthony Fasano $4,375,000
8 Paul Soliai $4,375,000
9 Tony McDaniel $4,157,500
10 Richard Marshall $3,716,667
11 Davone Bess $3,033,000
12 Dan Carpenter $2,862,500
13 Matt Moore $2,500,000
14 Ryan Tannehill $2,302,500
15 Cameron Wake $2,190,000
16 Mike Pouncey $2,104,476
17 Lydon Murtha $1,927,000
18 Jared Odrick $1,807,922
19 Brandon Fields $1,728,000
20 Brian Hartline $1,434,243
21 Nate Garner $1,400,000
22 Chris Clemons $1,348,625
23 Koa Misi $1,043,000
24 Jason Trusnik $1,000,000
25 John Denney $988,750
26 Jonathan Martin $869,867
27 Sean Smith $801,250
28 Daniel Thomas $781,500
29 John Jerry $754,625
30 Reshad Jones $580,075
31 Olivier Vernon $549,520
32 Anthony Armstrong $540,000
33 Will Barker $540,000
34 Ray Feinga $540,000
35 Andre Fluellen $540,000
36 Jeron Mastrud $540,000 RFA
37 Legedu Naanee $540,000
38 Troy Nolan $540,000
39 Austin Spitler $540,000 RFA
40 R.J. Stanford $540,000 ERFA
41 Nolan Carroll $537,937
42 Michael Egnew $537,239
43 Lamar Miller $511,500
44 Charles Clay $493,250
45 Marlon Moore $490,000 RFA
46 Jimmy Wilson $476,475
47 Quinten Lawrence $465,000
48 Will Yeatman $465,000
49 Kheeston Randall $405,612
50 Rishard Matthews $402,848
51 Vince Agnew $390,000
52 Pat Devlin $390,000 ERFA
53 Jonathan Freeny $390,000
54 Jorvorskie Lane $390,000
55 Shelly Lyons $390,000
56 Josh Samuda $390,000
57 Kevyn Scott $390,000
58 Derrick Shelby $390,000
59 Marcus Thigpen $390,000
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Dolphinemidget


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what we got out of LONG, that was dead money imo. Samething with Dan Carpenter, he lost us two games, dead money.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the team is on pretty good contracts for what we get out of them.

Overpaid in no order:

Carpenter- Kicker. Give me a rookie, they play for pennies and generally are pretty good.
Long- Rough season, makes a lot. I would keep him for the right price though.
Bush- AP is about the only back I would pay that much.
McDaniel- Solid player but that is a lot of cash for a reserve, Randall I think is ready for that role.
Dansby- I guess. Makes a lot of $ but that is what you have to pay FA. If he made more impact plays he'd be fine. I will say he was injured for half the year. Schematically we didn't take care of his true versatility. Played some S in AZ and also can rack up 6-7 sacks if used better.
Devone Bess- Score me some touchdowns or make impact plays. In this offense slot receivers are expendable.

Underpaid in no order
Matt Moore- Starting caliber QB and I am not convinced that we wouldn't have won more games with him starting tbh. Obviously Tannehill should've started, but Moore is the best back up in the league and could start for 8 teams probably.
Sean Smith- Good CB. Probably top 20 in the NFL and didn't even make a million this season.
Reshad Jones- Obvious.
Cam Wake- Obvious.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolphan9954 wrote:
Most of the team is on pretty good contracts for what we get out of them.

Overpaid in no order:

Carpenter- Kicker. Give me a rookie, they play for pennies and generally are pretty good.
Long- Rough season, makes a lot. I would keep him for the right price though.
Bush- AP is about the only back I would pay that much.
McDaniel- Solid player but that is a lot of cash for a reserve, Randall I think is ready for that role.
Dansby- I guess. Makes a lot of $ but that is what you have to pay FA. If he made more impact plays he'd be fine. I will say he was injured for half the year. Schematically we didn't take care of his true versatility. Played some S in AZ and also can rack up 6-7 sacks if used better.
Devone Bess- Score me some touchdowns or make impact plays. In this offense slot receivers are expendable.

Underpaid in no order
Matt Moore- Starting caliber QB and I am not convinced that we wouldn't have won more games with him starting tbh. Obviously Tannehill should've started, but Moore is the best back up in the league and could start for 8 teams probably.
Sean Smith- Good CB. Probably top 20 in the NFL and didn't even make a million this season.
Reshad Jones- Obvious.
Cam Wake- Obvious.
Thank you on Sean Smith..
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Top 5 Overpaid:
1. Long - it has to be. for that much money he needs to play like the best LT in the league, and he hasn't / can't (?) in this scheme.
2. McDaniel - $4 million for a backup DT who doesn't play much
3. Incognito - he is an okay to good guard, but not worth $5 million in this scheme
4. Bush - $6 million for under 1k yards and limited impact
5. Dansby - good player, but not worth $10 million

Notice that all of these players are FA signings. "

Long was a first overall draft pick by us and we traded for McDaniel and Bush. So only 2 of them were FA signings.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lydon Murtha had a large cap number because he was a restricted free agent and was tendered at a 2nd round level but didn't actually cost us anything because we cut him before the season began
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not re-signing McDaniel and Starks will give us enough money to make a run at Michael Johnson.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realize JakeLong was the most overpaid for what the Fins received in return but how about McDaniel. That got was paid 4M. Why? He has never proven to be that sort of player. He is a 2M dollar player tops.
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