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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2Bigby0 wrote:
Really? I didn't recall seeing Harris in there in the second half that much. I thought MM put Cobb in the backfield a few times instead after halftime...


Harris did receive the first two carries of the second half. The next drive we used the Cobb package, with him in the backfield, and got a field goal. After that we really did not run the ball much because we were down and McCarthy tried to spread it out and pass the ball down the field. This is about the only time I would say we could have tried getting back to the run, but we are a passing team and I cannot blame McCarthy for trying to spread them out and playing to our teams strength.
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I think Mac is a very good coach, but from time to time he makes stupid calls. There are 2 things Mac does that bother me.

1. Quite often it seems like it takes him way too long before making in game adjustments. For example, Arod could be getting crushed by a teams pass rush and Mac will keep trying to spread it out, finally after half time he will come out and put a RB or TE in to block.

2. Random stupid play calls - Once in awhile Mac will call some very stupid plays like on 3rd and 1 he'll try throwing deep, or throwing to Kuhn in the flat, little things like that.


I get why people were frustrated by the 3rd and 1 calls, but our running backs were HORRIBLE at picking up 3 and short all season. Plus, those really are the only times we get on of our receievers on a good one on one situation. Last year we had a lot of big plays on 3rd and 1, this year... Not so much.


Agreed, that's why I'm a big fan of signing Steven Jackson, 3rd and 1 would be no problem. I get trying to catch the defense off guard on 3rd and short, I'd just rather see a quick slant or curl route the majority of the time instead of just chucking it deep and having to punt.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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packattack86 wrote:
I think Mac is a very good coach, but from time to time he makes stupid calls. There are 2 things Mac does that bother me.

1. Quite often it seems like it takes him way too long before making in game adjustments. For example, Arod could be getting crushed by a teams pass rush and Mac will keep trying to spread it out, finally after half time he will come out and put a RB or TE in to block.

2. Random stupid play calls - Once in awhile Mac will call some very stupid plays like on 3rd and 1 he'll try throwing deep, or throwing to Kuhn in the flat, little things like that.


I get why people were frustrated by the 3rd and 1 calls, but our running backs were HORRIBLE at picking up 3 and short all season. Plus, those really are the only times we get on of our receievers on a good one on one situation. Last year we had a lot of big plays on 3rd and 1, this year... Not so much.


Agreed, that's why I'm a big fan of signing Steven Jackson, 3rd and 1 would be no problem. I get trying to catch the defense off guard on 3rd and short, I'd just rather see a quick slant or curl route the majority of the time instead of just chucking it deep and having to punt.


I don't think Steven Jackson is even an option. He is under contract with the Rams, is thinking about retirement, and likely wouldn't want to go to a cold-weather team with a spotty run blocking Oline.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McCarthy is offensive coach and he doesn't adjust quickly, IMO. i don't think he does a good job of balancing pass and rush. i think defensive coordinators have kind of figured out how to slow down our passing game and Mac really needs to work on getting the run/screen/draw game going.

all that said he's still got my support 100%.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blankman0021 wrote:
packattack86 wrote:
2Bigby0 wrote:
packattack86 wrote:
I think Mac is a very good coach, but from time to time he makes stupid calls. There are 2 things Mac does that bother me.

1. Quite often it seems like it takes him way too long before making in game adjustments. For example, Arod could be getting crushed by a teams pass rush and Mac will keep trying to spread it out, finally after half time he will come out and put a RB or TE in to block.

2. Random stupid play calls - Once in awhile Mac will call some very stupid plays like on 3rd and 1 he'll try throwing deep, or throwing to Kuhn in the flat, little things like that.


I get why people were frustrated by the 3rd and 1 calls, but our running backs were HORRIBLE at picking up 3 and short all season. Plus, those really are the only times we get on of our receievers on a good one on one situation. Last year we had a lot of big plays on 3rd and 1, this year... Not so much.


Agreed, that's why I'm a big fan of signing Steven Jackson, 3rd and 1 would be no problem. I get trying to catch the defense off guard on 3rd and short, I'd just rather see a quick slant or curl route the majority of the time instead of just chucking it deep and having to punt.



I don't think Steven Jackson is even an option. He is under contract with the Rams, is thinking about retirement, and likely wouldn't want to go to a cold-weather team with a spotty run blocking Oline.


He can void the last year of the deal if he wants because of certain milestones achieved in his contract. From his interviews it sounded like the Rams or retirement, but a legit shot at a ring and playing against defenses that play for the pass might be a good enough attraction to lure him to Green Bay. Personally, I do not think it will happen, but I would be all on board if it did.
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rbens06 wrote:
blankman0021 wrote:
packattack86 wrote:
2Bigby0 wrote:
packattack86 wrote:
I think Mac is a very good coach, but from time to time he makes stupid calls. There are 2 things Mac does that bother me.

1. Quite often it seems like it takes him way too long before making in game adjustments. For example, Arod could be getting crushed by a teams pass rush and Mac will keep trying to spread it out, finally after half time he will come out and put a RB or TE in to block.

2. Random stupid play calls - Once in awhile Mac will call some very stupid plays like on 3rd and 1 he'll try throwing deep, or throwing to Kuhn in the flat, little things like that.


I get why people were frustrated by the 3rd and 1 calls, but our running backs were HORRIBLE at picking up 3 and short all season. Plus, those really are the only times we get on of our receievers on a good one on one situation. Last year we had a lot of big plays on 3rd and 1, this year... Not so much.


Agreed, that's why I'm a big fan of signing Steven Jackson, 3rd and 1 would be no problem. I get trying to catch the defense off guard on 3rd and short, I'd just rather see a quick slant or curl route the majority of the time instead of just chucking it deep and having to punt.



I don't think Steven Jackson is even an option. He is under contract with the Rams, is thinking about retirement, and likely wouldn't want to go to a cold-weather team with a spotty run blocking Oline.


He can void the last year of the deal if he wants because of certain milestones achieved in his contract. From his interviews it sounded like the Rams or retirement, but a legit shot at a ring and playing against defenses that play for the pass might be a good enough attraction to lure him to Green Bay. Personally, I do not think it will happen, but I would be all on board if it did.


Not to mention that they added the void year AFTER he reached those milestones as an act of goodwill knowing that they are still a couple of years away from a SB. They want him to void it so he can have a couple of years on a contender, and they will get a little bit of cap alleviation. Both sides win.

edit: that said, i doubt that, of the 31 other teams he could sign with, we would be the ones he would sign on with. We're on the short list of teams with realistic SB aspirations but we do have a lot tied in cap already and we won't be the only ones going in on him. The Steelers, Broncos, and Falcons may all be looking for new backs this off-season, and the Broncos and Falcons would save a lot of money by cutting running backs already on the roster. I think there's a very strong bet he joins the Broncos knowing that Peyton and Champ give them a short but wide open window over the next couple of seasons. If the Broncos elect to release McGahee, Steven Jackson might call them asking for a two year deal without even waiting for them to contact him.
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Sandybaby716 wrote:
rbens06 wrote:
blankman0021 wrote:
packattack86 wrote:
2Bigby0 wrote:
packattack86 wrote:
I think Mac is a very good coach, but from time to time he makes stupid calls. There are 2 things Mac does that bother me.

1. Quite often it seems like it takes him way too long before making in game adjustments. For example, Arod could be getting crushed by a teams pass rush and Mac will keep trying to spread it out, finally after half time he will come out and put a RB or TE in to block.

2. Random stupid play calls - Once in awhile Mac will call some very stupid plays like on 3rd and 1 he'll try throwing deep, or throwing to Kuhn in the flat, little things like that.


I get why people were frustrated by the 3rd and 1 calls, but our running backs were HORRIBLE at picking up 3 and short all season. Plus, those really are the only times we get on of our receievers on a good one on one situation. Last year we had a lot of big plays on 3rd and 1, this year... Not so much.


Agreed, that's why I'm a big fan of signing Steven Jackson, 3rd and 1 would be no problem. I get trying to catch the defense off guard on 3rd and short, I'd just rather see a quick slant or curl route the majority of the time instead of just chucking it deep and having to punt.



I don't think Steven Jackson is even an option. He is under contract with the Rams, is thinking about retirement, and likely wouldn't want to go to a cold-weather team with a spotty run blocking Oline.


He can void the last year of the deal if he wants because of certain milestones achieved in his contract. From his interviews it sounded like the Rams or retirement, but a legit shot at a ring and playing against defenses that play for the pass might be a good enough attraction to lure him to Green Bay. Personally, I do not think it will happen, but I would be all on board if it did.


Not to mention that they added the void year AFTER he reached those milestones as an act of goodwill knowing that they are still a couple of years away from a SB. They want him to void it so he can have a couple of years on a contender, and they will get a little bit of cap alleviation. Both sides win.

edit: that said, i doubt that, of the 31 other teams he could sign with, we would be the ones he would sign on with. We're on the short list of teams with realistic SB aspirations but we do have a lot tied in cap already and we won't be the only ones going in on him. The Steelers, Broncos, and Falcons may all be looking for new backs this off-season, and the Broncos and Falcons would save a lot of money by cutting running backs already on the roster. I think there's a very strong bet he joins the Broncos knowing that Peyton and Champ give them a short but wide open window over the next couple of seasons. If the Broncos elect to release McGahee, Steven Jackson might call them asking for a two year deal without even waiting for them to contact him.


Agreed, I just saw some numbers for the 2013 cap, which I put in the Salary Cap thread, and it looks like we are tighter than I anticipated. We still have some room, from the rollover, but I think TT will devote that to resigning the few guys we really need too (Shields, EDS) and then save as much as he can for the triple header of Rodgers, Matthews, and Raji.

I would love to have Jackson back there, but odds are the economics do not work. He is not going to be in a Cedric Benson situation where we get him for veteran minimum.
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