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SemperFeist
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| biggsohnasty wrote: | I doubt this affects Ogletree's stock a whole lot. This is what people will figure out during psych evals at the combine. If he drops out of the top 25, 1 DUI isn't the main reason.
I still doubt he falls out of the 1st round. If we don't take him, some other top team at the bottom of the draft will take him. |
- Arrested as a freshman for theft, and suspended one game.
- Failed drug tests and was suspended for the first 4 games of the 2012 season.
- Arrested for DUI
This isn't a singular event, this is a pattern. Now Ogletree could certainly change his act, but history has shown that the overwhelming majority don't change. Especially when they've had multiple off the field transgressions. Maybe if Ogletree was a star prospect, a top 5 type player, he'd get teams to look the other way, or beyond his problems. But Ogletree is already a risky player, who's got all the athleticism and raw talent in the world, but has yet to put it together. And teams aren't likely to take a risk on a player who's not only risky as an on the field player, but also as an off the field person.
At this point I'd be shocked if Ogletree gets taken in the 1st round. |
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| I know he's got off the field issues...quite the list of them. Which is why if he's going to drop, it won't be because of the most recent dui. I still think he goes top 25. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| biggsohnasty wrote: | | I know he's got off the field issues...quite the list of them. Which is why if he's going to drop, it won't be because of the most recent dui. I still think he goes top 25. |
The fact that it happens a week before the Combine is more egregious than what happened in his freshman year and even what happened prior to the 2012 season (and is going to have a far larger effect).
As he's already under the microscope (due to it being a sneak peek at fresh meat time) that he still did something stupid like this, tells me that he's high risk that he's going to do it again, no matter the consequences. Unless he's a Randy Moss talent at LB, he's not going top 25 now. No one's going to want to take that chance.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| disaacs wrote: | | biggsohnasty wrote: | | I know he's got off the field issues...quite the list of them. Which is why if he's going to drop, it won't be because of the most recent dui. I still think he goes top 25. |
The fact that it happens a week before the Combine is more egregious than what happened in his freshman year and even what happened prior to the 2012 season.
As he's already under the microscope (due to it being a sneak peek at fresh meat time) that he still did something stupid like this, tells me that he's high risk that he's going to do it again, no matter the consequences. Unless he's a Randy Moss talent at LB, he's not going top 25 now. No one's going to want to take that chance. |
I agree. I do not see Ogletree going in the top 25 now. I think with his suspension for marijuana earlier this year and now with this off the field incident it will call for a minor slide. If he starts to fall anywhere in the 2nd round the Vikings need to trade up as soon as possible, maybe a trade involving Percy, depending on who we take in the first round.
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If he is there at #52, I would consider him.
I wont take him at #23, but thats not because of DUI, its because I think he is raw, and I'd want a more finished product in the 1st round. Plus I see some aspects that could be a hinderance in the NFL.
He excels at coverage, but I have concerns about run stopping, shedding blocks. B/c of that I couldnt take him in the 1st round. Kevin Minter is a more complete MLB and has positives across the board.
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While not the Combine, it still is a Regional Combine, so it's a relevant story...
| Quote: | The NFL debuted its regional scouting combine concept back in 2011. Ten cities this year hold a regional combine from January to March, with the best players going to a super-regional in Dallas in April.
The March 2-3 New Jersey regional will mark a first in the regional combine process: A female player will compete. Lauren Silberman of New York City will participate as a kicker. |
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000140423/article/female-will-compete-at-regional-combine-for-first-time
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California's Keenan Allen, projected as one of the top two wide receivers in the upcoming draft, is nursing a sprained posterior cruciate ligament that will prevent him from working out at the combine, his agent, J.T. Johnson, said Wednesday.
Allen will attend the combine and undergo medical exams for the teams but with his knee being only 70 percent, he and Johnson have decided it is better not to run. Allen will save his running for his own pro day at some time in early April, after he has recovered from the knee injury he initially suffered Oct. 20 and then aggravated about two weeks ago training for the combine in Florida with Hall-of-Fame wide receiver Cris Carter. One doctor told Allen he tore his posterior cruciate ligament.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8965520/hurt-california-golden-bears-wr-keenan-allen-work-combine
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Allen's stock is going to take a bit of a hit for this one. If one of these WR's blows up the combine, he could easily be passed.
Interesting note he was training with Carter. I'm sure that Carter will put a word in for Allen with the Vikings management if he thinks Allen could be a stud.
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| Thanatos wrote: | Allen's stock is going to take a bit of a hit for this one. If one of these WR's blows up the combine, he could easily be passed.
Interesting note he was training with Carter. I'm sure that Carter will put a word in for Allen with the Vikings management if he thinks Allen could be a stud. |
Im not sure about that. I just put this in my 1 round thread I posted. I doubt Spielman will draft him now. He learned his lesson with Greg Childs
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| Klomp wrote: | California's Keenan Allen, projected as one of the top two wide receivers in the upcoming draft, is nursing a sprained posterior cruciate ligament that will prevent him from working out at the combine, his agent, J.T. Johnson, said Wednesday.
Allen will attend the combine and undergo medical exams for the teams but with his knee being only 70 percent, he and Johnson have decided it is better not to run. Allen will save his running for his own pro day at some time in early April, after he has recovered from the knee injury he initially suffered Oct. 20 and then aggravated about two weeks ago training for the combine in Florida with Hall-of-Fame wide receiver Cris Carter. One doctor told Allen he tore his posterior cruciate ligament.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8965520/hurt-california-golden-bears-wr-keenan-allen-work-combine |
If doctor Andrews said he doesn't think it'll require surgery then I wouldn't think it should hurt his stock too much but maybe just enought to slip to 23?  
Love hearing that he was working out with Cris Carter too.
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| vikesnewcoach11 wrote: | | Thanatos wrote: | Allen's stock is going to take a bit of a hit for this one. If one of these WR's blows up the combine, he could easily be passed.
Interesting note he was training with Carter. I'm sure that Carter will put a word in for Allen with the Vikings management if he thinks Allen could be a stud. |
Im not sure about that. I just put this in my 1 round thread I posted. I doubt Spielman will draft him now. He learned his lesson with Greg Childs |
I doubt it honestly Greg Childs injury was damn fluky tearing up both knees on the same play? It could have happened to anyone. I bet he'll wait to hear from medical experts on Keenan's knee but the fact that it shouldn't require surgery helps his cause.
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This drops him even lower on my want list, then he already was..
Right now, I rather take a WR with pick #52 in the 2nd round.
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| Allen, IMO, will slip farther depending on what other WR's do at the combine. If a few do really well they could/should be taken ahead of him. |
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Let him fall to 23 to us. IMO he is the best WR for the Vikings in this years draft.
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Rick Spielman: "The Combine is probably the biggest event heading into the draft. It's the first time you're going to get all the Olympic numbers on these guys: the height, weight, speeds. The first time that we'll get in front of a lot of these guys too, especially the juniors. It's probably my most exciting time besides the day of the draft. Because there's so much you get accomplished there."
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/192160501.html?refer=y
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