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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:36 am    Post subject: Roster Evalaution: Wide Receiver Reply with quote

Roster Evaluation: Wide Receiver

The Redskins wide receiving corps was a bit bipolar this season.

Starting the season there were 7 WRs on the roster.

Pierre Garcon
Josh Morgan
Leonard Hankerson
Santana Moss
Aldrick Robinson
Dez Briscoe
Brandon Banks


Pierre Garcon was the high price free agent brought in to help Robert Griffin III in the passing game with a deep threat and a player that was not afraid to go over the middle and catch the ball in traffic. Especially after playing 4 seasons with Peyton Manning, you would have to believe that he had the skills and tools to be productive.

Josh Morgan was signed away from San Francisco in the attempt to make him the #2 WR here and take on the role of possession receiver alongside Garcon. Morgan had never seen a season above 60 receptions and his most productive year was 2010 with Alex Smith at the helm where he was targeted 80 times, caught 44 passes, had 698 yards receiving and 2 TDs. Morgan has never had more than 3 TDs in one season. Signed from San Fran, Morgan was coming off an injury, but proved in his first year in Washington that he can play in a rotation and play every game.

Leonard Hankerson was a 3rd round draft pick in 2011 out of Miami (FL) and based on his selection there was a lot of expectations for him. Sadly, Hankerson got injured in a game against the Dolphins after boasting 8 catches for 106 yards. Hankerson had a hip injury which sidelined him for the rest of the year. But 2012 proved to be different for the young WR. Played in all 16 games this season and his best being at Cleveland where he caught 2 TD passes on 2 receptions.

Santana Moss is the veteran of the group. Loyalty is his specialty, but so is commitment. Moss had lost 15 lbs. before the start of the season to make himself quicker and agile than he has been in the past. Something about having Griffin motivated him to show he still had it. He could sense the change in Washington and he didnt want to miss out. He sure didnt. When Garcon went down with his injury, Moss had to step up. Frankly cause no one else was. The 12 year vet enjoyed a TD riddled season leading the team with 8 TDs on 41 receptions and 573 yards receiving. Only in 2005 and 2003 did Moss have more TDs than this season. Moss has been with the Redskins for 8 seasons now and has seen many different QBs come through here: Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell, Grossman, Beck, and now RGIII. But Moss stuck it out.

Aldrick Robinson is considered to be a deep threat and would take over the role that Santana Moss had with the Redskins. But the looks of Moss moving anywhere except up the depth chart might make Robinsons progress be limited, for now. Robinson is a small fast receiver who can explode past defenders and separate into space. He showed this in the games against Dallas and Philadelphia. Robinson does have some learning to do and would work well as a slot receiver but he has to continue to get better.

Dez Briscoe was released from the Bucs after the 2011 season and the Redskins picked him up for depth. The idea was for him to be behind Morgan as a possession wide receiver. He does not have top end speed and does not do much in the form of yards after catch. He did have good hands and made good effort in catching the ball, but never amounted to more than just depth as the season went along, especially once Garcon got back in the lineup.

Brandon Banks had one role on the Redskins roster, until Roy Helu went down. Banks was originally kept on the roster because of his ability in the KR/PR game. He was explosive, elusive and had quite a few runs almost break it but eventually be called back because of a penalty. In 2012 his production dropped off. So much so, that Niles Paul, a converted TE started returning kick offs and Richard Crawford, a CB, started returning punts. Banks had lost that ability to see the seams and make things happen.

Evaluation:
The Redskins WR corps was a bit bipolar in 2012. There was not one clear stand out besides Pierre Garcon. Santana Moss had 8 TDs but his yard production was way below his capable production. Leonard Hankerson had improved his ability to catch the ball but still needs to work on his hands as they are far from being sticky and soft. Aldrick Robinson is a home run threat any time he steps on the field, but that is the only thing he has. Robinson has to work on his route running and his ability to use the under routes to his advantage in order to move up the depth chart.

Josh Morgan had an average year but seemed to get lost on the team as the year progressed, mainly because Moss was producing more with less and was working himself back into the line up more and more. Besides that, Morgan had proved to be a little hot under the collar during the season against St. Louis as he cost a game winning drive by taking his frustration out on Cortland Finnegan by throwing the ball at him after a catch during the era of the replacement referees. This cost the team 15 yards and took the Redskins out of FG range to try and win the game.

Briscoe was nowhere to be found and Brandon Banks simply lost his roster spot. There was not a position for him on the team other than KR/PR and that was compromised before the season was over.

Ultimately, this WR corps had their ups and downs but the most consistent of the bunch was Pierre Garcon. He proved to be the #1 WR for the Redskins going forward and has set the bar above the average mark for WRs to follow.

At some point Santana Moss is going to call it quits or the team is going to release him. But Moss is such a class act it would be hard to let him go out not on top. I dont think the coaches feel any different.

Prediction: This is a hard one to quantify as there is a lot of potential, but with the draft class the way it is, there is a lot of young potential at WR this year as well.

I think there are 5 WRs on the roster at the time of the draft:
Pierre Garcon
Josh Morgan
Santana Moss
Leonard Hankerson
Aldrick Robinson


2013 Free Agency:

The Redskins signed 2 WRs in free agency this past season and looked to sign a 3rd, but that eventually fell through. Pierre Garcon was the best FA pick up the Redskins have had since London Fletcher.

The list of WR free agents is long, but there are many that are going to be retained by their current teams.

Ruvell Martin BUF
Johnny Knox CHI
Andrew Hawkins CIN (R)
Brandon Tate CIN
Josh Cribbs CLE (R)
Mohamed Massaquoi CLE (R)
Kevin Ogletree DAL (R)
Greg Jennings GB
Dwayne Bowe KC
Brian Hartline MIA (R)
Devin Aromashodu MIN (R)
Jerome Simpson MIN (R)
Greg Camarillo NO (R)
Devery Henderson NO (R)
Courtney Roby NO
Ramses Barden NYG (R)
Domenik Hixon NYG (R)
Jason Hill NYJ
Chaz Schilens NYJ
Duke Calhoun OAK
Derek Hagan OAK
Mike Wallace PIT
Ted Ginn SF
Danny Amendola STL (R)
Brandon Gibson STL (R)
Mike Sims-Walker FA

(R) Retained by team (How I see it playing out)
Bold Available FAs that are not to be retained by prior team

As you can see there are a few WRs that are going to be the big name guys in free agency. Especially Greg Jennings, Dwayne Bowe and Mike Wallace.

I have removed the RFAs as I dont think we spend the tenders to grab someone from RFA as well as the WR free agents from Washington (Brandon Banks).

I dont think there is anyone on this list worth breaking the bank over that is not going to command more money that Pierre Garcon. That being said, I do NOT see the Redskins picking up anyone in free agency from the WR market.

2013 NFL Draft:

The WR class is deep this year. With the current roster, I cannot see the Redskins grabbing top end WR in this years draft especially considering the Redskins do not have a first round pick. But in the 2nd round, there should still be viable options at WR. Even going down to the 4th round, there should be viable options to make a roster spot in this WR corps.

I would like to think that the following WRs are not going to be available at our 2nd round pick:

Keenan Allen, California
Justin Hunter, Tennessee
Terrance Williams, Baylor
Tavon Austin, West Virginia
Cordarelle Patterson, Tennessee
DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson
Robert Woods, USC
Markus Wheaton, Oregon State

Which could leave these potentials:

DaRick Rogers, Tennessee Tech
Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas
Aaron Dobson, Marshall
Stedman Baily, West Virginia
Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech
Marquess Wilson, Washington State
Ryan Swope, Texas A&M
Kenny Stills, Oklahoma
Rodney Smith, Florida State

2012 NFL Draft Prediction:

In the 5th round:

Marcus Davis, WR, Virginia Tech
64, 228 lbs.
40 time: 4.45 (Projected)

51 Catches, 953 yards, 5 TDs.

IF, and this is a big IF, the Redskins decide that there is not a defensive player available at 53 when we pick, then I think the coaching staff would go towards offensive production, namely WR. And pending on how the draft goes:

In the 2nd round:

Either
Cordarelle Patterson, Tennessee

Or

DaRick Rogers, Tennessee Tech

Patterson could fall, but Rogers should be there. Both were extremely productive but Patterson had to play next to Justin Hunter and Rogers was playing in Division I-AA after being dismissed by Tennessee for violating team rules.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a late rounder with speed to replace banks that can challenge to be our return specialist and the wr position will be set for this year.

Next year I'd consider drafting a wr in round 2 or 3 if Hank, Robinson or Briscoe don't step up and become more consistent.

I definitely don't want a player who's been kicked off his team and school for substance abuse such as Rogers that high in the draft
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Turtle.

Also - very good writeup.

One thing: is it just me or does anyone else experience this? --> every time a pass goes to Hankerson I expect him to drop it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thaiphoon wrote:
I agree with Turtle.

Also - very good writeup.

One thing: is it just me or does anyone else experience this? --> every time a pass goes to Hankerson I expect him to drop it.


I am actually surprised that he caught it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm perfectly fine sticking with the receiver corp we have now for one more season to see if they develop.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think our receiving corp did a really good job for us this year. We had the only team in the NFL with 4 recievers over 500 yards. You have to be able to block in the run gume if your going to be a reciever on this team. I like what we have esp if Hankerson and Robinson can continue to develope!!!!!
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Pretty much spot on. However I do think that one of these guys falls to us in the second:
Keenan Allen, California
Justin Hunter, Tennessee
Terrance Williams, Baylor
Tavon Austin, West Virginia
Cordarelle Patterson, Tennessee
DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson
Robert Woods, USC
Markus Wheaton, Oregon State

As of right now everyone of them has some sort of question that could make them drop to us in the second. I feel 1 or 2 of these guys will still be on the board when we are up to pick. The only one of the bunch that I wouldn't want in the second is Robert Woods. He just hasn't impressed me, and doesn't strike me as a number 1 or 2 receiver. I would also consider Rogers in the 2nd if he appears to have gotten over his off the field issues. Basically I could see any of these guys minus Woods starting opposite Garcon next year at receiver. If we don't pick a wr in round 2 or 3, I would like to see a guy like Davis/Goodwin around the 5th round.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I forgot to read the write up about Davis on the East West Shrine bowl and he didnt have as good of outing as I thought he might of had. So he could be a late 6th or 7th if he doesnt do well at the combine.
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mike23md wrote:
Well, I forgot to read the write up about Davis on the East West Shrine bowl and he didnt have as good of outing as I thought he might of had. So he could be a late 6th or 7th if he doesnt do well at the combine.


Davis has amazing measurables but he loses focuse big time. He just doesn't seem interested in the game but that could be the horrible play-calling of Stynespring? I wouldn't mind going after Marcus late but he's just too inconsistent to select before the fifth and he's most likely going to go much higher due to his amazing speed.
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lavar703 wrote:
mike23md wrote:
Well, I forgot to read the write up about Davis on the East West Shrine bowl and he didnt have as good of outing as I thought he might of had. So he could be a late 6th or 7th if he doesnt do well at the combine.


Davis has amazing measurables but he loses focuse big time. He just doesn't seem interested in the game but that could be the horrible play-calling of Stynespring? I wouldn't mind going after Marcus late but he's just too inconsistent to select before the fifth and he's most likely going to go much higher due to his amazing speed.


Its actually due to the inaccuracy of Logan Thomas. He has been really inconsistent this past year and returned to school to try and improve his stock for next year.
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lavar703 wrote:
I'm perfectly fine sticking with the receiver corp we have now for one more season to see if they develop.


As long as that does not include Banks, I agree. The only one I would potentially bounce is Briscoe but they might as well give him another year and look to spend their cash and picks elsewhere.
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footy_29 wrote:
lavar703 wrote:
I'm perfectly fine sticking with the receiver corp we have now for one more season to see if they develop.


As long as that does not include Banks, I agree. The only one I would potentially bounce is Briscoe but they might as well give him another year and look to spend their cash and picks elsewhere.


This^^

Banks should be gone. The rest should be brought back with some added camp competition just to see if anyone new surprises us.
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Dez Briscoe
Brandon Banks
should be gone.
I'm comfortable now, letting banks walk and Niles Paul or whomever returning Kicks.

That leaves us 5 WR's with maybe signing or having 2 more make the team.
Pierre Garcon (stud)
Josh Morgan
Santana Moss (dude is money and a dallas killer)
Leonard Hankerson (progressing well, imo)
Aldrick Robinson (serious speed this guy has)
(for the record...I would not be against replacing Josh Morgan, but the other 4 we should keep no matter what, imo)

Personally, I would prefer going the route in FA, in finding our 1 or 2 WR's.

I think we need a bonified #1 to pair with Garcon.
Yes...someone better than Hankerson & younger than Moss.

I don't know what the cap will allow us to pursue, but I want us to target either DeWayne Bowe or Mike Wallace if possible.

It would not only upgrade our explosiveness at WR, but give us a little bit of insurance in case of injury to a stud wr. (see: Garcon)

Can you imagine a WR core of...
#1 D. Bowe or Mike Wallace
#2 Garcon
#3)Morgan
#4)Hankerson
#5)Moss
#6)Robinson

?

Either way...I want us to use FA to address the WR.

& Use the draft to upgrade our secondary/O-line/D-line

I personally don't think we are that far, from being a SB contender.

If we somehow keep T. Jackson & Merriweather we may not need to much Safety upgrades either. But do you put your faith in either not being injured or on PHD's?

i wouldn't mind looking in FA for a veteran CB or Safety as well.
Not really sure who's available though.

But we have got to improve that secondary.

Our LBer's?
I think we're top 3 in the League, imo. (as a unit)
i have no worries there, other than maybe finding Fletcher's replacement eventually.

Which brings me to our #51st pick.
If MLB Monte Teo' is somehow sitting on the board, when we pick?
I would pick him there, without blinking.

I don't care if the need, doesn't justify the pick.

You don't pass on a top 10 player @MLB, when your current one will be 38 yrs old.

All because you hope CB **Fernando Venuzuela** from Alabama A&M (fake person...lol) might be available there and it's a must need draftee.

You don't pass on a blue chip player, when they're sitting in your lap.
Suspensions, injuries and other stuff can make you regret it, my good friends.

I was pissed we passed up on a talent like LB Vontaze Burfict with the late rd picks we had. I knew the dude could play.


Anyways..should be a fun off season.
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Manti Te'o will not make it past the Steelers in the first, so that is just a pipe dream.

The question I have is, what if there is the following available:

Cordarelle Patterson
Da'Rick Rogers
Robert Woods
Baccari Rambo
D.J. Swearinger
Leon McFadden

at pick #53.

Do you take a WR because they have a higher value than the others, or do you go with position of need like FS or CB because there has been a run on them and they are a bigger need, so you need to get in while the gettin is good?
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mike23md wrote:
Manti Te'o will not make it past the Steelers in the first, so that is just a pipe dream.

The question I have is, what if there is the following available:

Cordarelle Patterson
Da'Rick Rogers
Robert Woods
Baccari Rambo
D.J. Swearinger
Leon McFadden

at pick #53.

Do you take a WR because they have a higher value than the others, or do you go with position of need like FS or CB because there has been a run on them and they are a bigger need, so you need to get in while the gettin is good?
if Te'o does happen to make it past the steelers no way he makes it passed both the Packers and Ravens.

I'd take Paterson or Woods believing that those teams that took DBs in round 1 and 2 won't take another in round 3. That way we get BPA and a possible starter in the future at two positions, WR (rnd2), DB (rnd3). I think Swearinger and McFadden's values will be around where we pick in round 3.

I don't think the draft will play out like that with so many DBs gone when we pick at 53, but you never know.
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