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The LBC
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| Boltstrikes wrote: | | Falcons cut Abraham, Turner and Robinson today. I'd love all three given a reasonable price tag. I wonder if Abraham would sign a deal similar to Barnes as a situational pass rush specialist. |
I think Abe either re-ups cheaper with Atlanta or ends up ring-hunting somewhere (e.g. New England, Denver... *retch*, or the Giants). Robinson I'm torn on - the guy is a legitimate POS that I feel as though is one more deliberate headhunting shot away from setting the precedent of being suspended by the league and he's likely to still want close to top CB dollar... that said, he's also still a good CB that hasn't shown to drop off yet. If nothing else, his presence in the market helps push other under-the-radar FA's down the totem pole a bit.
Turner looks done. Unless he comes on the league minimum or with no guaranteed money, I really don't see the point in using cap space to bring in an RB on the wrong side of 30 when we could pick up a mid-round option that has more tread on the tires and would likely beat the After-Burner out in camp.
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Boltstrikes
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| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Burner would have to come on minimum with incentives. I wouldn't touch him with guaranteed money at this point and feel I am almost being nostalgic wanting to pay him that.
You're also pretty spot on Abraham. Although I'd love to bring him in truth is we have no money and aren't viewed as a championship caliber team. Only thing we have is a great place to live. He'll likely fetch more then SP95 does on the open market and I don't see SP95 being a value signing.
Robinson isn't realistic for us. We're hoping to develop our young corners and picking up on Dunta's habits may not be the best idea. On a vet team he'd be great but we are far too young on defense right now to bring him in. Maybe gives us a shot at Smith though.
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| EverythingSF wrote: | | But I do feel Alex is better than Rivers and we may as well not even argue over it here because I am pretty sure neither will change the others mind. |
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| Amazing how things have changed since the start of this thread. Now it appears there is no chance that ANY of the top 3 OT's will fall past #7. I've been reading a lot that there are still lots of really solid OT's after the top three, so what about this: take either Jonathan Cooper (1st option) or Chance Warmack at 11, and trade our 2nd for Branden Albert. I've read RAVE reviews of Cooper and Albert could take over at LT. Word on Albert is great pass blocker but not a road grader for the run game. Or trade back up into the first and take DJ Fluker. OR, score David Quessenberry in a mid round, cause the dude is just ready to roll. Just fricking solidify the pass blocking so that Philip has TIME, and we will do just fine. Thoughts? |
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| sd screenwriter wrote: | | Amazing how things have changed since the start of this thread. Now it appears there is no chance that ANY of the top 3 OT's will fall past #7. I've been reading a lot that there are still lots of really solid OT's after the top three, so what about this: take either Jonathan Cooper (1st option) or Chance Warmack at 11, and trade our 2nd for Branden Albert. I've read RAVE reviews of Cooper and Albert could take over at LT. Word on Albert is great pass blocker but not a road grader for the run game. Or trade back up into the first and take DJ Fluker. OR, score David Quessenberry in a mid round, cause the dude is just ready to roll. Just fricking solidify the pass blocking so that Philip has TIME, and we will do just fine. Thoughts? |
The one thought I have is that we need more than the semi-annual appearance of sd screenwriter.....
I would be fine with giving up a 2nd for Albert, but I'm not sure KC would trade him in the division. From the reports, he doesn't want that much money either.
I like Fluker, but not many join me. I see him as a slightly more athletic Phil Loadholt. I don't think he'll be there if they trade back. They may wind up taking him at 11. Anything that gets Clary off the roster is fin with me.
AZ is going to wind up with Warmack. The top LT's won't make it till 7.
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Albert scares the crap out of me. The dude has positioned himself for a ton of guaranteed money and is now acting like the type that will never live up to it. I'd rather take Cooper and then hope Armstead, Pugh or Watson is available in the 2nd.
Ideally we trade down and pick up a 2014 1st somehow but the way the draft is shaping up it looks more and more unlikely that they will be an option. Come on Matt Barkley!
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| EverythingSF wrote: | | But I do feel Alex is better than Rivers and we may as well not even argue over it here because I am pretty sure neither will change the others mind. |
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Right now I'd say it's down to between Warmack and, believe it or not but I've been reading several reports of it, Fluker at #7. More power to them, I wouldn't touch either that high. I think I touched on this last year, but there is a legitimate concern among the scouting community about the fact that because of the level of coaching and development they're receiving from Saban and crew, the prospects out of Alabama are essentially "what you see is what you get" and really don't have much more ceiling to grow into. The only true lone exception to that so far has been Julio Jones who is an absolute athletic freak - thus should be an exception to the rule.
If we come out of the 1st with Cooper, Star, Milliner, or even Vaccaro at #11, I'll be satisfied.
Again, I think folks are placing a little too much emphasis on "having to have a Top 5 LT" when in reality we just need a guy capable of buying Rivers enough time to get a pass off and who can work in tandem to open gaps for the RB to get through. A productive OL is more a product of a great unit and fluid dynamic than great individual pieces. D'Alessandris produced the line that blocked for the #5 and #4 average yards per carry rushing attack in 2011 and 2012 respectively (and gave up the least sacks in the league in 2011) - and this with a whopping one 1st round pick on the entire unit (Eric Wood, and he only played half the season in 2011).
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If TT picks Fluker....... I hope this whole Fluker-SD connection is the biggest smokescreen. If Zona takes him I'll be so happy and laugh so hard. 
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | If TT picks Fluker....... I hope this whole Fluker-SD connection is the biggest smokescreen. If Zona takes him I'll be so happy and laugh so hard. |
I still think, barring a trade-up, Zona takes Geno. It would be just typical for Carson, but they didn't trade much of anything for him so aside from the contract it's not like he's not immediately expendable as soon as Geno's trained up and ready to go.
I think my ultimate fantasy involving Fluker (God that sounded so WRONG!) would be Miami taking him at #12.
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The Fluker thing seems to go against every thing we have heard about Telesco, it is such a reach that it isn't even funny.
Hopefully it is just nonsense spout by pundits who believe the Bolts "need" to come out of this draft with a tackle, which is far from the truth. Like LBC said, we need some one who isn't a clear liability and I know Dunlap isn't very popular but he is a competent pass-protector. |
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| game3525 wrote: | The Fluker thing seems to go against every thing we have heard about Telesco, it is such a reach that it isn't even funny.
Hopefully it is just nonsense spout by pundits who believe the Bolts "need" to come out of this draft with a tackle, which is far from the truth. Like LBC said, we need some one who isn't a clear liability and I know Dunlap isn't very popular but he is a competent pass-protector. |
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| Boltstrikes wrote: | | game3525 wrote: | The Fluker thing seems to go against every thing we have heard about Telesco, it is such a reach that it isn't even funny.
Hopefully it is just nonsense spout by pundits who believe the Bolts "need" to come out of this draft with a tackle, which is far from the truth. Like LBC said, we need some one who isn't a clear liability and I know Dunlap isn't very popular but he is a competent pass-protector. |
Clary. |
Oh believe me, I'm not of the opinion we'll go the entire draft (or probably even through the whole of the first two days without selecting an offensive tackle), I just think that in D'Alessandris' mind, he'd much prefer we just sit tight an either pay less to move up in the 2nd for Armstead or sit tight and take someone like Kyle Long or even Fraigel in the 3rd (who yes, may be raw but folks have to remember coach's, particularly position coaches, covet tools and raw ability so long as it also includes a capable mind and work ethic).
Furthermore, I think we've all slightly discounted (because we haven't heard anything one way or the other out of the front office or coaching staff) the players we have on the roster already as potential RT's; since God willing it seems like the days of Clary being gift-wrapped the starting gig are no more. It's entirely possible the coaching staff likes Haslam or Dombro or Harris (who showed they don't have the quicks to man the blind-side but could be useful on the right) for the position. The other thought that occurred to me is that with Hal Hunter and his "What are you thinking, Hal?" fits is gone, we may finally see Schilling given the opportunity to play guard (which he was actually effective playing at Michigan and showed to be truly impressive pulling to his right, he just always struggled when the opposition attacked his left shoulder, which was something Hunter never developed out of him or at all).
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I'm starting to think that the best OL available at 11 will be Fluker. I think it's gonna land like this
Fisher - KC
Joeckel - Phi
Johnson - Det
Warmack - Ari
Cooper - NYJ
It's eithe going to be something shocking, or a trade back. I won't be surprised if the Vikes move up to 11
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| You guys don't think there's any scenario where you trade up for Johnson? |
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| jetskid007 wrote: | | You guys don't think there's any scenario where you trade up for Johnson? |
I don't think it's likely, but it's possible. I think it will cost more than a new GM, trying to build a new team, will be willing to give up. My guess is that he's gone by 5.
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