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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NinjaZX6R wrote:
Seymour has said that he is open to 30 other teams.

2-..not us or the Raiders.

Also, he was bad this year.

He was injured most of it. But half expected he'd still feel bitter.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interior DL:
I wonder if Seymour would come back. Also if for some reason Melton hits the market sign him.
Pretty sure Seymour burned his bridges on the way out. I remember reading about him and Belichick not getting along right before he was traded, and then he had the whole "30 other teams" comment. And he's not even that good. Seriously, Desmond Bryant is the guy on that DL that we want.

Big yes on Melton, despite how unrealistic it is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sciz wrote:
Donut wrote:
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I wonder if Seymour would come back. Also if for some reason Melton hits the market sign him.
Pretty sure Seymour burned his bridges on the way out. I remember reading about him and Belichick not getting along right before he was traded, and then he had the whole "30 other teams" comment. And he's not even that good. Seriously, Desmond Bryant is the guy on that DL that we want.

I only heard that they were negotiating and then when he got dealt to Oakland he was extremely angry and refused to show up there at first.
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The Welker decision will really tell us how much Brady factors into personnel decisions at receiver. We know he was pissed when they traded Branch, I'd imagine he'd be similarly upset if they let Wes walk. Even though its the right decision to let him go by almost every other metric, the Brady factor might trump all that.

Other than that, re-signing Talib and Vollmer is of paramount importance. And for goodness sake, get Vince a reliable interior d-line partner or two. Re-sign Edelman and draft a shiny new receiver. And last but not least, a safety that can make us forget about Chung and allow Gregory be a nickel/dime player exclusively.


I don't think a RT for $8M+ (unless he's willing to take a decent discount or his injuries scare off every other team) is of paramount importance.

As much as I like Vollmer and as much as his talent is worth big bucks, I just don't know that spending big money on RT is worth it.

Letting Chung go seems like a no-brainer at this point and I really would be surprised if the Pats even extend an offer to him.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eagles will sign Chung.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Eagles will sign Chung.

Chiefs will. Reid loves our DBs for whatever reason. Though I do miss Hobbs.

Also do you think of Grimes. Coming off a serious injury could give a 1 yr show me deal for solid money and he can get his big contract?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Vollmer decision intrigues me, and it's only gotten more interested as he got more healthy.

Pro-resigning:
He's awesome
Solder is cheap for two more years, Connolly and Wendell will never make big money
Even at less than ideal health, he's better than many RTs

Anti-resigning:
He has LT ability and will likely get an offer to do so
That back seems to be a chronic issue even if it's under control now
The Pats could want to use that cap money elsewhere
Cannon has not looked bad in the few games that we've seen him
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Donut wrote:
NinjaZX6R wrote:
Eagles will sign Chung.

Chiefs will. Reid loves our DBs for whatever reason. Though I do miss Hobbs.

Also do you think of Grimes. Coming off a serious injury could give a 1 yr show me deal for solid money and he can get his big contract?


Chung played under Chip Kelly and the Eagles need a S. I think that's where that idea came from.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
Donut wrote:
NinjaZX6R wrote:
Eagles will sign Chung.

Chiefs will. Reid loves our DBs for whatever reason. Though I do miss Hobbs.

Also do you think of Grimes. Coming off a serious injury could give a 1 yr show me deal for solid money and he can get his big contract?


Chung played under Chip Kelly and the Eagles need a S. I think that's where that idea came from.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sciz wrote:
The Vollmer decision intrigues me, and it's only gotten more interested as he got more healthy.

Pro-resigning:
He's awesome
Solder is cheap for two more years, Connolly and Wendell will never make big money
Even at less than ideal health, he's better than many RTs

Anti-resigning:
He has LT ability and will likely get an offer to do so
That back seems to be a chronic issue even if it's under control now
The Pats could want to use that cap money elsewhere
Cannon has not looked bad in the few games that we've seen him


It really comes down to two things:

1. Do the Pats want to sink big bucks into (arguably) the least important position in their starting offense?

2. Will Vollmer take a discount - assuming other teams do not lowball him due to injury concerns

I'd rather see Cannon (or similar) + $8M spent on the defense but it's tough to say without knowing whether or not the Pats can effectively re-allocate that money. If some team swoops in on the first day of free agency and offers Vollmer a big deal, I'd say they would have to let him go.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
dhunt2402 wrote:
The Welker decision will really tell us how much Brady factors into personnel decisions at receiver. We know he was pissed when they traded Branch, I'd imagine he'd be similarly upset if they let Wes walk. Even though its the right decision to let him go by almost every other metric, the Brady factor might trump all that.

Other than that, re-signing Talib and Vollmer is of paramount importance. And for goodness sake, get Vince a reliable interior d-line partner or two. Re-sign Edelman and draft a shiny new receiver. And last but not least, a safety that can make us forget about Chung and allow Gregory be a nickel/dime player exclusively.


I don't think a RT for $8M+ (unless he's willing to take a decent discount or his injuries scare off every other team) is of paramount importance.

As much as I like Vollmer and as much as his talent is worth big bucks, I just don't know that spending big money on RT is worth it.

Letting Chung go seems like a no-brainer at this point and I really would be surprised if the Pats even extend an offer to him.


Not like we're short on cap space, especially if they make the smart move and let Welker go. And they've done this before just last offseason, I don't think anyone in that front office thought Welker was worth 9.5m, but they deemed it an acceptable number because of his importance (perceived or otherwise) and the amount of cap space at their disposal.
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Defense should be number 1 on the list and possible getting a deep threat for Brady. Lloyd is spectacular when making these catches but one more threat is nice.

Got to get to QB's more. That has always been a successful plan and will continue to be successful as its a QB driven league now.
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...Ben Tate for Ryan Mallett? Lemmie know, I'll give Rick Smith a call. Billy-B owes me a few favors, so let's get a deal done. Laughing
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EliteTexan80 wrote:
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Give us Watt....
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Outside receiver has to be top priority
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