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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superman(DH23) wrote:
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I like it in general but the one thing I really dislike is Denard Robinson. Essentially you are replacing a guy who was a long term project to become a NFL receiver with another guy who is a long term project to become a NFL receiver. If you're looking for a speedy mid round receiver I am sure we can do far better. Let's be honest, how many guys who transitioned from QB to WR after playing QB their entire college career have ever amounted to anything? Best case I can think of is Brad Smith and he's what, a #4?
Potential HOFer Hines Ward? Randall Cobb? Anquan Boldin? (although he did play WR for a couple games) They say the transition from QB to WR isn't as big of a deal b/c as a QB they already understand route concepts and timing.

Those guys played almost exclusively WR in college. Quick stat check finds Ward had 149 college receptions, Cobb 144 and Boldin 118. Denard Robinson had just 3.
84 of Cobbs receptions came his junior year. He actually has more rushes than anything else as a spread QB.

True, but my point was that they were all accomplished and experienced college WR coming out and that Robinson has never been a receiver at all. I don't doubt that he could eventually develop into a 3 or 4 but I see that being at least 2 years down the road, and especially in he 4th round I think we could get a guy with similar or more upside who is closer to being a factor on game day at the position.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He reminds me of Lance Briggs because he simply does not miss tackles and he gets guys on the ground.


Minter is a good LB, but don't compare him to Lance Briggs if you are gonna mention missed tackles. I've watched Briggs miss tackles for years now.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/965914-the-worst-tackler-on-every-nfl-team/page/7

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it but as I said in the previous mock; we need to sign a TE in free agency. There are too many that blow Kellen Davis out of the water (not saying much) that could come in and produce just as well as any 2nd rounder. Also, I wouldn't be opposed to spending big bucks on Clady. He's much better then Bushrod and has a good 6 years left. A franchise LT is what we all want. They are far from cheap... Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZBearsFan wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
AZBearsFan wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
AZBearsFan wrote:
I like it in general but the one thing I really dislike is Denard Robinson. Essentially you are replacing a guy who was a long term project to become a NFL receiver with another guy who is a long term project to become a NFL receiver. If you're looking for a speedy mid round receiver I am sure we can do far better. Let's be honest, how many guys who transitioned from QB to WR after playing QB their entire college career have ever amounted to anything? Best case I can think of is Brad Smith and he's what, a #4?
Potential HOFer Hines Ward? Randall Cobb? Anquan Boldin? (although he did play WR for a couple games) They say the transition from QB to WR isn't as big of a deal b/c as a QB they already understand route concepts and timing.

Those guys played almost exclusively WR in college. Quick stat check finds Ward had 149 college receptions, Cobb 144 and Boldin 118. Denard Robinson had just 3.
84 of Cobbs receptions came his junior year. He actually has more rushes than anything else as a spread QB.

True, but my point was that they were all accomplished and experienced college WR coming out and that Robinson has never been a receiver at all. I don't doubt that he could eventually develop into a 3 or 4 but I see that being at least 2 years down the road, and especially in he 4th round I think we could get a guy with similar or more upside who is closer to being a factor on game day at the position.


If it's our 5th pick I don't see the big deal. We drafted Hester in the 2nd and nobody complained. Robinson could very well be a great ST player and have a few packages on offense. I don't think gambling on him in the 5th is a bad idea.
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"I thought even in pass protection this year he did a heck of a job," Kiper Jr. said. "That was the big question mark with him. Got very incredibly long arms, physical, tough player. I thought he held up a lot better in pass protection."

Kiper Jr. ranks Fluker as the No. 1 right tackle available in the 2013 NFL Draft. In his latest mock draft, he has Fluker landing with the St. Louis Rams at No. 22.

Gil Brandt of NFL.com projected Fluker to go 13th overall to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/01/mel_kiper_jr_alabamas_dj_fluke.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bears2308 wrote:
I like it but as I said in the previous mock; we need to sign a TE in free agency. There are too many that blow Kellen Davis out of the water (not saying much) that could come in and produce just as well as any 2nd rounder. Also, I wouldn't be opposed to spending big bucks on Clady. He's much better then Bushrod and has a good 6 years left. A franchise LT is what we all want. They are far from cheap... Wink


Clady and Albert are getting tagged.

Bushrod might be the best available.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
bears2308 wrote:
I like it but as I said in the previous mock; we need to sign a TE in free agency. There are too many that blow Kellen Davis out of the water (not saying much) that could come in and produce just as well as any 2nd rounder. Also, I wouldn't be opposed to spending big bucks on Clady. He's much better then Bushrod and has a good 6 years left. A franchise LT is what we all want. They are far from cheap... Wink


Clady and Albert are getting tagged.

Bushrod might be the best available.
Albert is far from a sure thing from getting tagged, for 1, there's still the issue of getting Dwayne Bowe resigned, #2 Albert's backup played really well in Albert's absence, and even Chiefs fans are saying that Albert could get kicked inside to guard, #3 Andy Reid loves his early linemen, and the best player in this draft is Joeckel.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
"I thought even in pass protection this year he did a heck of a job," Kiper Jr. said. "That was the big question mark with him. Got very incredibly long arms, physical, tough player. I thought he held up a lot better in pass protection."

Kiper Jr. ranks Fluker as the No. 1 right tackle available in the 2013 NFL Draft. In his latest mock draft, he has Fluker landing with the St. Louis Rams at No. 22.

Gil Brandt of NFL.com projected Fluker to go 13th overall to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/01/mel_kiper_jr_alabamas_dj_fluke.html
He has the makings of a pro bowl OG.
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DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
"I thought even in pass protection this year he did a heck of a job," Kiper Jr. said. "That was the big question mark with him. Got very incredibly long arms, physical, tough player. I thought he held up a lot better in pass protection."

Kiper Jr. ranks Fluker as the No. 1 right tackle available in the 2013 NFL Draft. In his latest mock draft, he has Fluker landing with the St. Louis Rams at No. 22.

Gil Brandt of NFL.com projected Fluker to go 13th overall to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/01/mel_kiper_jr_alabamas_dj_fluke.html
He has the makings of a pro bowl OG.

Way too high for a RT. Or a guard for that matter.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMike84 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
"I thought even in pass protection this year he did a heck of a job," Kiper Jr. said. "That was the big question mark with him. Got very incredibly long arms, physical, tough player. I thought he held up a lot better in pass protection."

Kiper Jr. ranks Fluker as the No. 1 right tackle available in the 2013 NFL Draft. In his latest mock draft, he has Fluker landing with the St. Louis Rams at No. 22.

Gil Brandt of NFL.com projected Fluker to go 13th overall to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/01/mel_kiper_jr_alabamas_dj_fluke.html
He has the makings of a pro bowl OG.

Way too high for a RT. Or a guard for that matter.
No it's not. OGs and RTs have and will go in the 1st round.
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