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| Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | Entropy wrote: |
People often give too much credit to the QB for wins, losses, TDs, INTs, good throws, bad throws, good decisions, and bad decisions. It's like some think a QB plays in a vacuum or something. |
I don't judge QB's in a vacuum, but you have to use some reliable statistics to judge a QB's success. If not TD's, Int's, Good Throws, Good Decisions... what can it be?
When I watched Weeden I saw a QB who made bad throws, had poor accuracy at times and could not consistently score when he needed to. He had times when he played very well as well, but those poor times well outweighed the good ones.
Good QB play makes all the talent around them better, its the reason Peyton Manning can go from a Indianapolis Colts team a 10-6 team, to a 2-14 team, to a 11-5 team with most of those same receiving talents. Bad QB play makes the team look worse. Outside of perhaps a HC, no one has as great an impact on the performance of a team as a QB.
I've never been a fan of Weeden, I'll admit. While I will root with everything I have for him to improve, I don't expect it to happen. |
Agree.
I am not sure the bigger deficiencies in his game are coachable...I think they are innate.
With all the time the OL gave him to make plays, he should have shown and produced a lot more.
Just imagine how he would have looked in McCoy's place during the previous season: Running for his life at the snap, no running game and lesser WRs. Pretty ugly images. |
Just imagine how Colt would have looked in this offense, running for his life..getting sacked 4 times in 17 attempts, throwing the ball in the dirt 5 times for no reason. Pretty ugly QBing.
But do tell bruce, with all the time the OL gave him, why were so many passes batted and dropped? That's about 57 of his incomplete passes.
I think it because the OLine can't win, but loses games. How many games did the OLine win for us anyway? How many TDs did they block for? not enough to win... |
Re first comment in [b]bold: Huh? That might take non sequitur to a new level!
Re second: They were batted because he stared receivers down, primarily, and the DL saw it and knew when to raise their hands/jump. How did his number of drops compare with McCoy's?
Re third: QBs are referred to as "field generals" for a reason. Weeden didn't make it past Major, or maybe Colonel on his better days.[/b]
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| bruceb wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | Entropy wrote: |
People often give too much credit to the QB for wins, losses, TDs, INTs, good throws, bad throws, good decisions, and bad decisions. It's like some think a QB plays in a vacuum or something. |
I don't judge QB's in a vacuum, but you have to use some reliable statistics to judge a QB's success. If not TD's, Int's, Good Throws, Good Decisions... what can it be?
When I watched Weeden I saw a QB who made bad throws, had poor accuracy at times and could not consistently score when he needed to. He had times when he played very well as well, but those poor times well outweighed the good ones.
Good QB play makes all the talent around them better, its the reason Peyton Manning can go from a Indianapolis Colts team a 10-6 team, to a 2-14 team, to a 11-5 team with most of those same receiving talents. Bad QB play makes the team look worse. Outside of perhaps a HC, no one has as great an impact on the performance of a team as a QB.
I've never been a fan of Weeden, I'll admit. While I will root with everything I have for him to improve, I don't expect it to happen. |
Agree.
I am not sure the bigger deficiencies in his game are coachable...I think they are innate.
With all the time the OL gave him to make plays, he should have shown and produced a lot more.
Just imagine how he would have looked in McCoy's place during the previous season: Running for his life at the snap, no running game and lesser WRs. Pretty ugly images. |
Just imagine how Colt would have looked in this offense, running for his life..getting sacked 4 times in 17 attempts, throwing the ball in the dirt 5 times for no reason. Pretty ugly QBing.
But do tell bruce, with all the time the OL gave him, why were so many passes batted and dropped? That's about 57 of his incomplete passes.
I think it because the OLine can't win, but loses games. How many games did the OLine win for us anyway? How many TDs did they block for? not enough to win... |
Denial is more than a river in Africa, Entropy.
You can make every excuse you want to for Weeden while others of us point out his obvious flaws/failures or, perhaps more importantly, different points of view from yours.
Let's just let time tell.
Let's start by watching a legitimate QB competition play out in camp and preseason this year. |
When did you point out flaws? You just reported your opinions and conclusion over and over. Use some evidence and others can discuss it with you.
And when did I make a single excuse?
You denied that he played well on the road. You denied the impact of all of the inexperience. You denied the impact of the batted and dropped passes. You denied the impact of penalties that had nothing to do with Weeden.
Sir, you are the one in denial. I am merely pointing it out to you.
Weeden is neither great nor does he suck. The evidence is right there, but you refuse to see it.
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bruceb
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| Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | Entropy wrote: |
People often give too much credit to the QB for wins, losses, TDs, INTs, good throws, bad throws, good decisions, and bad decisions. It's like some think a QB plays in a vacuum or something. |
I don't judge QB's in a vacuum, but you have to use some reliable statistics to judge a QB's success. If not TD's, Int's, Good Throws, Good Decisions... what can it be?
When I watched Weeden I saw a QB who made bad throws, had poor accuracy at times and could not consistently score when he needed to. He had times when he played very well as well, but those poor times well outweighed the good ones.
Good QB play makes all the talent around them better, its the reason Peyton Manning can go from a Indianapolis Colts team a 10-6 team, to a 2-14 team, to a 11-5 team with most of those same receiving talents. Bad QB play makes the team look worse. Outside of perhaps a HC, no one has as great an impact on the performance of a team as a QB.
I've never been a fan of Weeden, I'll admit. While I will root with everything I have for him to improve, I don't expect it to happen. |
Agree.
I am not sure the bigger deficiencies in his game are coachable...I think they are innate.
With all the time the OL gave him to make plays, he should have shown and produced a lot more.
Just imagine how he would have looked in McCoy's place during the previous season: Running for his life at the snap, no running game and lesser WRs. Pretty ugly images. |
Just imagine how Colt would have looked in this offense, running for his life..getting sacked 4 times in 17 attempts, throwing the ball in the dirt 5 times for no reason. Pretty ugly QBing.
But do tell bruce, with all the time the OL gave him, why were so many passes batted and dropped? That's about 57 of his incomplete passes.
I think it because the OLine can't win, but loses games. How many games did the OLine win for us anyway? How many TDs did they block for? not enough to win... |
Denial is more than a river in Africa, Entropy.
You can make every excuse you want to for Weeden while others of us point out his obvious flaws/failures or, perhaps more importantly, different points of view from yours.
Let's just let time tell.
Let's start by watching a legitimate QB competition play out in camp and preseason this year. |
When did you point out flaws? You just reported your opinions and conclusion over and over. Use some evidence and others can discuss it with you.
And when did I make a single excuse?
You denied that he played well on the road. You denied the impact of all of the inexperience. You denied the impact of the batted and dropped passes. You denied the impact of penalties that had nothing to do with Weeden.
Sir, you are the one in denial. I am merely pointing it out to you.
Weeden is neither great nor does he suck. The evidence is right there, but you refuse to see it. |
Let's leave it at this: I am right and you are wrong, as time will tell.
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| bruceb wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | Entropy wrote: |
People often give too much credit to the QB for wins, losses, TDs, INTs, good throws, bad throws, good decisions, and bad decisions. It's like some think a QB plays in a vacuum or something. |
I don't judge QB's in a vacuum, but you have to use some reliable statistics to judge a QB's success. If not TD's, Int's, Good Throws, Good Decisions... what can it be?
When I watched Weeden I saw a QB who made bad throws, had poor accuracy at times and could not consistently score when he needed to. He had times when he played very well as well, but those poor times well outweighed the good ones.
Good QB play makes all the talent around them better, its the reason Peyton Manning can go from a Indianapolis Colts team a 10-6 team, to a 2-14 team, to a 11-5 team with most of those same receiving talents. Bad QB play makes the team look worse. Outside of perhaps a HC, no one has as great an impact on the performance of a team as a QB.
I've never been a fan of Weeden, I'll admit. While I will root with everything I have for him to improve, I don't expect it to happen. |
Agree.
I am not sure the bigger deficiencies in his game are coachable...I think they are innate.
With all the time the OL gave him to make plays, he should have shown and produced a lot more.
Just imagine how he would have looked in McCoy's place during the previous season: Running for his life at the snap, no running game and lesser WRs. Pretty ugly images. |
Just imagine how Colt would have looked in this offense, running for his life..getting sacked 4 times in 17 attempts, throwing the ball in the dirt 5 times for no reason. Pretty ugly QBing.
But do tell bruce, with all the time the OL gave him, why were so many passes batted and dropped? That's about 57 of his incomplete passes.
I think it because the OLine can't win, but loses games. How many games did the OLine win for us anyway? How many TDs did they block for? not enough to win... |
Re first comment in [b]bold: Huh? That might take non sequitur to a new level!
Re second: They were batted because he stared receivers down, primarily, and the DL saw it and knew when to raise their hands/jump. How did his number of drops compare with McCoy's?
Re third: QBs are referred to as "field generals" for a reason. Weeden didn't make it past Major, or maybe Colonel on his better days.[/b] |
Sorry bruce, I assumed you actually watched Colt play...my bad.
Here's a play by play from his game against the Broncos.
Now wait, so when a QB moves his arm to throw, the QB should be looking somewhere other than were he is going to throw the ball in case the DLineman in front of him jumps up with his arms in the air? WOW bruce, you should be a QB coach...
Anyway, the answers we were looking for were pump fakes, less predictable 3 step drops, and more physical pass blocking
Is there a football point in that last part? What does what those who are neither players nor coaches call the QB have to do with anything? Does someone calling a QB a "field general" make the players around him not play like rookies or 2nd year players on a team with a poor secondary?
Is that what you're trying to say? Shall we get a group together and chant "QBs are field generals" to improve the performance of inexperienced players that we deny are inexperienced? Will that make us win and not lose?
How many games have we won doing that?
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Let's leave it at this: I am right and you are wrong, as time will tell. |
Even better, let's leave it at this: I showed evidence of my opinion and you didn’t show evidence of your opinion --so even if you turn out to be right, it will simply be a coincidence.
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bruceb
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| Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | Entropy wrote: |
People often give too much credit to the QB for wins, losses, TDs, INTs, good throws, bad throws, good decisions, and bad decisions. It's like some think a QB plays in a vacuum or something. |
I don't judge QB's in a vacuum, but you have to use some reliable statistics to judge a QB's success. If not TD's, Int's, Good Throws, Good Decisions... what can it be?
When I watched Weeden I saw a QB who made bad throws, had poor accuracy at times and could not consistently score when he needed to. He had times when he played very well as well, but those poor times well outweighed the good ones.
Good QB play makes all the talent around them better, its the reason Peyton Manning can go from a Indianapolis Colts team a 10-6 team, to a 2-14 team, to a 11-5 team with most of those same receiving talents. Bad QB play makes the team look worse. Outside of perhaps a HC, no one has as great an impact on the performance of a team as a QB.
I've never been a fan of Weeden, I'll admit. While I will root with everything I have for him to improve, I don't expect it to happen. |
Agree.
I am not sure the bigger deficiencies in his game are coachable...I think they are innate.
With all the time the OL gave him to make plays, he should have shown and produced a lot more.
Just imagine how he would have looked in McCoy's place during the previous season: Running for his life at the snap, no running game and lesser WRs. Pretty ugly images. |
Just imagine how Colt would have looked in this offense, running for his life..getting sacked 4 times in 17 attempts, throwing the ball in the dirt 5 times for no reason. Pretty ugly QBing.
But do tell bruce, with all the time the OL gave him, why were so many passes batted and dropped? That's about 57 of his incomplete passes.
I think it because the OLine can't win, but loses games. How many games did the OLine win for us anyway? How many TDs did they block for? not enough to win... |
Re first comment in [b]bold: Huh? That might take non sequitur to a new level!
Re second: They were batted because he stared receivers down, primarily, and the DL saw it and knew when to raise their hands/jump. How did his number of drops compare with McCoy's?
Re third: QBs are referred to as "field generals" for a reason. Weeden didn't make it past Major, or maybe Colonel on his better days.[/b] |
Sorry bruce, I assumed you actually watched Colt play...my bad.
Here's a play by play from his game against the Broncos.
Now wait, so when a QB moves his arm to throw, the QB should be looking somewhere other than were he is going to throw the ball in case the DLineman in front of him jumps up with his arms in the air? WOW bruce, you should be a QB coach...
Anyway, the answers we were looking for were pump fakes, less predictable 3 step drops, and more physical pass blocking
Is there a football point in that last part? What does what those who are neither players nor coaches call the QB have to do with anything? Does someone calling a QB a "field general" make the players around him not play like rookies or 2nd year players on a team with a poor secondary?
Is that what you're trying to say? Shall we get a group together and chant "QBs are field generals" to improve the performance of inexperienced players that we deny are inexperienced? Will that make us win and not lose?
How many games have we won doing that? |
I will be putting a website up in the next 3-4 months. It will be called "Jawsuit".
You will be the defendant in the first "case", and will lose, because I am right and you are wrong.
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I'm not sure I buy it EZ. It doesn't seem like you're rooting for Weeden at all. |
Disagree with me all you want about if I think a player will succeed, but never question my desire to see them succeed. I will gladly and with great joy eat crow if Brandon Weeden turns it around. I want to see him turn into a DA+ under Chud's tutelage. I'm just not convinced he will
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| bruceb wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | Entropy wrote: |
People often give too much credit to the QB for wins, losses, TDs, INTs, good throws, bad throws, good decisions, and bad decisions. It's like some think a QB plays in a vacuum or something. |
I don't judge QB's in a vacuum, but you have to use some reliable statistics to judge a QB's success. If not TD's, Int's, Good Throws, Good Decisions... what can it be?
When I watched Weeden I saw a QB who made bad throws, had poor accuracy at times and could not consistently score when he needed to. He had times when he played very well as well, but those poor times well outweighed the good ones.
Good QB play makes all the talent around them better, its the reason Peyton Manning can go from a Indianapolis Colts team a 10-6 team, to a 2-14 team, to a 11-5 team with most of those same receiving talents. Bad QB play makes the team look worse. Outside of perhaps a HC, no one has as great an impact on the performance of a team as a QB.
I've never been a fan of Weeden, I'll admit. While I will root with everything I have for him to improve, I don't expect it to happen. |
Agree.
I am not sure the bigger deficiencies in his game are coachable...I think they are innate.
With all the time the OL gave him to make plays, he should have shown and produced a lot more.
Just imagine how he would have looked in McCoy's place during the previous season: Running for his life at the snap, no running game and lesser WRs. Pretty ugly images. |
Just imagine how Colt would have looked in this offense, running for his life..getting sacked 4 times in 17 attempts, throwing the ball in the dirt 5 times for no reason. Pretty ugly QBing.
But do tell bruce, with all the time the OL gave him, why were so many passes batted and dropped? That's about 57 of his incomplete passes.
I think it because the OLine can't win, but loses games. How many games did the OLine win for us anyway? How many TDs did they block for? not enough to win... |
Re first comment in [b]bold: Huh? That might take non sequitur to a new level!
Re second: They were batted because he stared receivers down, primarily, and the DL saw it and knew when to raise their hands/jump. How did his number of drops compare with McCoy's?
Re third: QBs are referred to as "field generals" for a reason. Weeden didn't make it past Major, or maybe Colonel on his better days.[/b] |
Sorry bruce, I assumed you actually watched Colt play...my bad.
Here's a play by play from his game against the Broncos.
Now wait, so when a QB moves his arm to throw, the QB should be looking somewhere other than were he is going to throw the ball in case the DLineman in front of him jumps up with his arms in the air? WOW bruce, you should be a QB coach...
Anyway, the answers we were looking for were pump fakes, less predictable 3 step drops, and more physical pass blocking
Is there a football point in that last part? What does what those who are neither players nor coaches call the QB have to do with anything? Does someone calling a QB a "field general" make the players around him not play like rookies or 2nd year players on a team with a poor secondary?
Is that what you're trying to say? Shall we get a group together and chant "QBs are field generals" to improve the performance of inexperienced players that we deny are inexperienced? Will that make us win and not lose?
How many games have we won doing that? |
I will be putting a website up in the next 3-4 months. It will be called "Jawsuit".
You will be the defendant in the first "case", and will lose, because I am right and you are wrong. |
I already proved you and every premise of that website wrong...dismissed
It was determined that the website loses and doesn't win, like you're points...how many points has either ever won? none
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I'm not sure I buy it EZ. It doesn't seem like you're rooting for Weeden at all. |
Disagree with me all you want about if I think a player will succeed, but never question my desire to see them succeed. I will gladly and with great joy eat crow if Brandon Weeden turns it around. I want to see him turn into a DA+ under Chud's tutelage. I'm just not convinced he will |
Well I sure aint convinced either 
But I'm hopeful and I think it's rather likely that he'll look like a different player, a better one.
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| Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | Entropy wrote: |
People often give too much credit to the QB for wins, losses, TDs, INTs, good throws, bad throws, good decisions, and bad decisions. It's like some think a QB plays in a vacuum or something. |
I don't judge QB's in a vacuum, but you have to use some reliable statistics to judge a QB's success. If not TD's, Int's, Good Throws, Good Decisions... what can it be?
When I watched Weeden I saw a QB who made bad throws, had poor accuracy at times and could not consistently score when he needed to. He had times when he played very well as well, but those poor times well outweighed the good ones.
Good QB play makes all the talent around them better, its the reason Peyton Manning can go from a Indianapolis Colts team a 10-6 team, to a 2-14 team, to a 11-5 team with most of those same receiving talents. Bad QB play makes the team look worse. Outside of perhaps a HC, no one has as great an impact on the performance of a team as a QB.
I've never been a fan of Weeden, I'll admit. While I will root with everything I have for him to improve, I don't expect it to happen. |
Agree.
I am not sure the bigger deficiencies in his game are coachable...I think they are innate.
With all the time the OL gave him to make plays, he should have shown and produced a lot more.
Just imagine how he would have looked in McCoy's place during the previous season: Running for his life at the snap, no running game and lesser WRs. Pretty ugly images. |
Just imagine how Colt would have looked in this offense, running for his life..getting sacked 4 times in 17 attempts, throwing the ball in the dirt 5 times for no reason. Pretty ugly QBing.
But do tell bruce, with all the time the OL gave him, why were so many passes batted and dropped? That's about 57 of his incomplete passes.
I think it because the OLine can't win, but loses games. How many games did the OLine win for us anyway? How many TDs did they block for? not enough to win... |
Re first comment in [b]bold: Huh? That might take non sequitur to a new level!
Re second: They were batted because he stared receivers down, primarily, and the DL saw it and knew when to raise their hands/jump. How did his number of drops compare with McCoy's?
Re third: QBs are referred to as "field generals" for a reason. Weeden didn't make it past Major, or maybe Colonel on his better days.[/b] |
Sorry bruce, I assumed you actually watched Colt play...my bad.
Here's a play by play from his game against the Broncos.
Now wait, so when a QB moves his arm to throw, the QB should be looking somewhere other than were he is going to throw the ball in case the DLineman in front of him jumps up with his arms in the air? WOW bruce, you should be a QB coach...
Anyway, the answers we were looking for were pump fakes, less predictable 3 step drops, and more physical pass blocking
Is there a football point in that last part? What does what those who are neither players nor coaches call the QB have to do with anything? Does someone calling a QB a "field general" make the players around him not play like rookies or 2nd year players on a team with a poor secondary?
Is that what you're trying to say? Shall we get a group together and chant "QBs are field generals" to improve the performance of inexperienced players that we deny are inexperienced? Will that make us win and not lose?
How many games have we won doing that? |
I will be putting a website up in the next 3-4 months. It will be called "Jawsuit".
You will be the defendant in the first "case", and will lose, because I am right and you are wrong. |
I already proved you and every premise of that website wrong...dismissed
It was determined that the website loses and doesn't win, like you're points...how many points has either ever won? none |
Who wins/loses will be determined by a jury of our peers. Hoping to empanel members of this forum.
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Who wins/loses will be determined by a jury of our peers. Hoping to empanel members of this forum. |
But bruce, the decision was already made. You offered no evidence of your opinion that Weeden is trash, I offered evidence of my opinion that he has the potential to be good.
Did you ignore that too or something?
And by the way, juries don't decide whose opinion is correct, they actually form their own opinion based on evidence.
You offered none, so what's the point?
And if you intend to offer some evidence during this “trial” why not just offer it now?
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| Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: |
Who wins/loses will be determined by a jury of our peers. Hoping to empanel members of this forum. |
But bruce, the decision was already made. You offered no evidence of your opinion that Weeden is trash, I offered evidence of my opinion that he has the potential to be good.
Did you ignore that too or something?
And by the way, juries don't decide whose opinion is correct, they actually form their own opinion based on evidence.
You offered none, so what's the point?
And if you intend to offer some evidence during this “trial” why not just offer it now? |
Perfect subject matter for a "Jawsuit", with a final determination of the dispute, in your favor or mine. Bwahaa!
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| Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: |
Who wins/loses will be determined by a jury of our peers. Hoping to empanel members of this forum. |
But bruce, the decision was already made. You offered no evidence of your opinion that Weeden is trash, I offered evidence of my opinion that he has the potential to be good.
Did you ignore that too or something?
And by the way, juries don't decide whose opinion is correct, they actually form their own opinion based on evidence.
You offered none, so what's the point?
And if you intend to offer some evidence during this “trial” why not just offer it now? |
Somehow I donna think the "complaint" will cast your comments in as favorable a light as you see them.
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| bruceb wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: |
Who wins/loses will be determined by a jury of our peers. Hoping to empanel members of this forum. |
But bruce, the decision was already made. You offered no evidence of your opinion that Weeden is trash, I offered evidence of my opinion that he has the potential to be good.
Did you ignore that too or something?
And by the way, juries don't decide whose opinion is correct, they actually form their own opinion based on evidence.
You offered none, so what's the point?
And if you intend to offer some evidence during this “trial” why not just offer it now? |
Somehow I donna think the "complaint" will cast your comments in as favorable a light as you see them. |
bruce, that's 2 post in a row where you did nothing to advance the discussion about Weeden.
Let me make my stance clear...
I don't believe Weeden is a bad QB and you do.
I actually looked at his individual performance and tried to weight it with the circumstances he was subject to.
You looked at the win/loss record of the Browns and tried to explain how a QB is a field general and therefore is directly responsible for the win/loss record.
I pointed out that a QB has more impact on a game than any other individual, but you seem to think he has more impact than every other individual combined.
Do I have all that right so far?
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| Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | bruceb wrote: |
Who wins/loses will be determined by a jury of our peers. Hoping to empanel members of this forum. |
But bruce, the decision was already made. You offered no evidence of your opinion that Weeden is trash, I offered evidence of my opinion that he has the potential to be good.
Did you ignore that too or something?
And by the way, juries don't decide whose opinion is correct, they actually form their own opinion based on evidence.
You offered none, so what's the point?
And if you intend to offer some evidence during this “trial” why not just offer it now? |
Somehow I donna think the "complaint" will cast your comments in as favorable a light as you see them. |
bruce, that's 2 post in a row where you did nothing to advance the discussion about Weeden.
Let me make my stance clear...
I don't believe Weeden is a bad QB and you do.
I actually looked at his individual performance and tried to weight it with the circumstances he was subject to.
You looked at the win/loss record of the Browns and tried to explain how a QB is a field general and therefore is directly responsible for the win/loss record.
I pointed out that a QB has more impact on a game than any other individual, but you seem to think he has more impact than every other individual combined.
Do I have all that right so far? |
Hey, Entropy, I love reading your posts and appreciate the amount of thought you put into them, but you have taken this one to the point of an apologia for Weeden's [inappropriate/removed] poor play.
Time for a "Jawsuit"!
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