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Is Weeden an NFL QB?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.


I'll agree that he doesn't look much like an elite QB right now. But I think you're wrong to say that it's a certainty that he won't be. He does have the basic physical tools.

Will you be the first to discuss the disparity between his home and away games with me?
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I think there should have been a "maybe" as one of the options. I am on the fence about what Weeden could do. I am more than willing to see what another year might bring with him as the starting QB.

I think you have to evaluate after this season and look towards next year to possibly draft a possible replacement, if it is obvious that he is not a quality starting QB.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally want to give Weeden another year....he is going to be playing in an offense much better suited to his strengths and although he had some very disappoint moments (Philly and Skins games) he also had some very promising moments too (Cinci games, Indy, Dallas, NYG, Oakland)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.


I'll agree that he doesn't look much like an elite QB right now. But I think you're wrong to say that it's a certainty that he won't be. He does have the basic physical tools.

Will you be the first to discuss the disparity between his home and away games with me?


Sure whatcha wanna know?

I havent looked at the breakdown
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fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.


I'll agree that he doesn't look much like an elite QB right now. But I think you're wrong to say that it's a certainty that he won't be. He does have the basic physical tools.

Will you be the first to discuss the disparity between his home and away games with me?


Sure whatcha wanna know?

I havent looked at the breakdown


First off, I'm not saying that this is any evidence that he's already a great QB, just that it's evidence that he might be pretty damn good.

Weeden on the road (7 games):
155/255 (60.8%) for 1875 yards (7.4 YPA) 9 TDs 5 INTs 87.0 rating

That was against the Ravens (10-6), Bengals (10-6), Giants (9-7), Colts (11-5), Cowboys (8-8 ), Raiders (4-12), and Broncos (13-3).

Weeden’s top 3 receivers were Gordon, Little, and Richardson

Luck on the road (8 games):
170/319 (53.3%) 2229 yards (7.0 YPA) 11 TDs 13 INTs 70.1 rating

That was against the Bears (10-6), Jets (6-10), Titans (6-10), Jags (2-14), Pats (12-4), Lions (4-12), Texans (12-4), and Chiefs (2-14)

Luck’s top 3 receivers were Wayne, Avery, and Hilton

DA on the road in 2007 (8 games):
164/296 (55.4%) 1920 yards (6.5 YPA) 15 TDs 13 INTs 73.9 rating

That was against the Raiders (4-12), Pats (16-0), Rams (3-13), Steelers (10-6), Ravens (7-9), Cards (8-8 ), Jets (4-12), and Bengals(5-11)

DA’s top 3 receivers were Winslow, Edwards, and Jurevicious
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.


I'll agree that he doesn't look much like an elite QB right now. But I think you're wrong to say that it's a certainty that he won't be. He does have the basic physical tools.

Will you be the first to discuss the disparity between his home and away games with me?


Sure whatcha wanna know?

I havent looked at the breakdown


First off, I'm not saying that this is any evidence that he's already a great QB, just that it's evidence that he might be pretty damn good.

Weeden on the road (7 games):
155/255 (60.8%) for 1875 yards (7.4 YPA) 9 TDs 5 INTs 87.0 rating

That was against the Ravens (10-6), Bengals (10-6), Giants (9-7), Colts (11-5), Cowboys (8-8 ), Raiders (4-12), and Broncos (13-3).

Weeden’s top 3 receivers were Gordon, Little, and Richardson

Luck on the road (8 games):
170/319 (53.3%) 2229 yards (7.0 YPA) 11 TDs 13 INTs 70.1 rating

That was against the Bears (10-6), Jets (6-10), Titans (6-10), Jags (2-14), Pats (12-4), Lions (4-12), Texans (12-4), and Chiefs (2-14)

Luck’s top 3 receivers were Wayne, Avery, and Hilton

DA on the road in 2007 (8 games):
164/296 (55.4%) 1920 yards (6.5 YPA) 15 TDs 13 INTs 73.9 rating

That was against the Raiders (4-12), Pats (16-0), Rams (3-13), Steelers (10-6), Ravens (7-9), Cards (8-8 ), Jets (4-12), and Bengals(5-11)

DA’s top 3 receivers were Winslow, Edwards, and Jurevicious


So why did he perform better on the road? Is his wife a bad luck charm? Should we try breaking up his family to see if it improves his game? I'm willing to try to steal her away from him if you think its for the best.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas5737 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.


I'll agree that he doesn't look much like an elite QB right now. But I think you're wrong to say that it's a certainty that he won't be. He does have the basic physical tools.

Will you be the first to discuss the disparity between his home and away games with me?


Sure whatcha wanna know?

I havent looked at the breakdown


First off, I'm not saying that this is any evidence that he's already a great QB, just that it's evidence that he might be pretty damn good.

Weeden on the road (7 games):
155/255 (60.8%) for 1875 yards (7.4 YPA) 9 TDs 5 INTs 87.0 rating

That was against the Ravens (10-6), Bengals (10-6), Giants (9-7), Colts (11-5), Cowboys (8-8 ), Raiders (4-12), and Broncos (13-3).

Weeden’s top 3 receivers were Gordon, Little, and Richardson

Luck on the road (8 games):
170/319 (53.3%) 2229 yards (7.0 YPA) 11 TDs 13 INTs 70.1 rating

That was against the Bears (10-6), Jets (6-10), Titans (6-10), Jags (2-14), Pats (12-4), Lions (4-12), Texans (12-4), and Chiefs (2-14)

Luck’s top 3 receivers were Wayne, Avery, and Hilton

DA on the road in 2007 (8 games):
164/296 (55.4%) 1920 yards (6.5 YPA) 15 TDs 13 INTs 73.9 rating

That was against the Raiders (4-12), Pats (16-0), Rams (3-13), Steelers (10-6), Ravens (7-9), Cards (8-8 ), Jets (4-12), and Bengals(5-11)

DA’s top 3 receivers were Winslow, Edwards, and Jurevicious


So why did he perform better on the road? Is his wife a bad luck charm? Should we try breaking up his family to see if it improves his game? I'm willing to try to steal her away from him if you think its for the best.


Sure, go ahead with my blessing. We'll call it part of the differential diagnosis process. If he still doesn't play better at home, then we can offer her back. Win-win all around I think. Laughing

But seriously, I want to hear other's thought about why he may have done so much better on the road, against pretty good teams, still with the same inexperienced players, and with Richardson only scoring 4 TDs on the road.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.


I'll agree that he doesn't look much like an elite QB right now. But I think you're wrong to say that it's a certainty that he won't be. He does have the basic physical tools.

Will you be the first to discuss the disparity between his home and away games with me?


Sure whatcha wanna know?

I havent looked at the breakdown


First off, I'm not saying that this is any evidence that he's already a great QB, just that it's evidence that he might be pretty damn good.

Weeden on the road (7 games):
155/255 (60.8%) for 1875 yards (7.4 YPA) 9 TDs 5 INTs 87.0 rating

That was against the Ravens (10-6), Bengals (10-6), Giants (9-7), Colts (11-5), Cowboys (8-8 ), Raiders (4-12), and Broncos (13-3).

Weeden’s top 3 receivers were Gordon, Little, and Richardson

Luck on the road (8 games):
170/319 (53.3%) 2229 yards (7.0 YPA) 11 TDs 13 INTs 70.1 rating

That was against the Bears (10-6), Jets (6-10), Titans (6-10), Jags (2-14), Pats (12-4), Lions (4-12), Texans (12-4), and Chiefs (2-14)

Luck’s top 3 receivers were Wayne, Avery, and Hilton

DA on the road in 2007 (8 games):
164/296 (55.4%) 1920 yards (6.5 YPA) 15 TDs 13 INTs 73.9 rating

That was against the Raiders (4-12), Pats (16-0), Rams (3-13), Steelers (10-6), Ravens (7-9), Cards (8-8 ), Jets (4-12), and Bengals(5-11)

DA’s top 3 receivers were Winslow, Edwards, and Jurevicious


Looking at Weeden at home VS away and I see the following:

Home (8 games) 142/262 with 5.8 YPA
Away (7 games) 155/255 with 7.3 YPA

With (1) less game they threw almost the same number of times, and threw downfield more.
I wonder if at home the Browns were managing the game and playing conservative to keep the games close and to keep the fans from booing, and when they went on the road with nothing to lose they opened it up a little more?
Who knows?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas5737 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.


I'll agree that he doesn't look much like an elite QB right now. But I think you're wrong to say that it's a certainty that he won't be. He does have the basic physical tools.

Will you be the first to discuss the disparity between his home and away games with me?


Sure whatcha wanna know?

I havent looked at the breakdown


First off, I'm not saying that this is any evidence that he's already a great QB, just that it's evidence that he might be pretty damn good.

Weeden on the road (7 games):
155/255 (60.8%) for 1875 yards (7.4 YPA) 9 TDs 5 INTs 87.0 rating

That was against the Ravens (10-6), Bengals (10-6), Giants (9-7), Colts (11-5), Cowboys (8-8 ), Raiders (4-12), and Broncos (13-3).

Weeden’s top 3 receivers were Gordon, Little, and Richardson

Luck on the road (8 games):
170/319 (53.3%) 2229 yards (7.0 YPA) 11 TDs 13 INTs 70.1 rating

That was against the Bears (10-6), Jets (6-10), Titans (6-10), Jags (2-14), Pats (12-4), Lions (4-12), Texans (12-4), and Chiefs (2-14)

Luck’s top 3 receivers were Wayne, Avery, and Hilton

DA on the road in 2007 (8 games):
164/296 (55.4%) 1920 yards (6.5 YPA) 15 TDs 13 INTs 73.9 rating

That was against the Raiders (4-12), Pats (16-0), Rams (3-13), Steelers (10-6), Ravens (7-9), Cards (8-8 ), Jets (4-12), and Bengals(5-11)

DA’s top 3 receivers were Winslow, Edwards, and Jurevicious


So why did he perform better on the road? Is his wife a bad luck charm? Should we try breaking up his family to see if it improves his game? I'm willing to try to steal her away from him if you think its for the best.


And what was our record in those road games when he was putting up come from behind numbers when it was he who often put us in holes?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bruceb wrote:
Thomas5737 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.


I'll agree that he doesn't look much like an elite QB right now. But I think you're wrong to say that it's a certainty that he won't be. He does have the basic physical tools.

Will you be the first to discuss the disparity between his home and away games with me?


Sure whatcha wanna know?

I havent looked at the breakdown


First off, I'm not saying that this is any evidence that he's already a great QB, just that it's evidence that he might be pretty damn good.

Weeden on the road (7 games):
155/255 (60.8%) for 1875 yards (7.4 YPA) 9 TDs 5 INTs 87.0 rating

That was against the Ravens (10-6), Bengals (10-6), Giants (9-7), Colts (11-5), Cowboys (8-8 ), Raiders (4-12), and Broncos (13-3).

Weeden’s top 3 receivers were Gordon, Little, and Richardson

Luck on the road (8 games):
170/319 (53.3%) 2229 yards (7.0 YPA) 11 TDs 13 INTs 70.1 rating

That was against the Bears (10-6), Jets (6-10), Titans (6-10), Jags (2-14), Pats (12-4), Lions (4-12), Texans (12-4), and Chiefs (2-14)

Luck’s top 3 receivers were Wayne, Avery, and Hilton

DA on the road in 2007 (8 games):
164/296 (55.4%) 1920 yards (6.5 YPA) 15 TDs 13 INTs 73.9 rating

That was against the Raiders (4-12), Pats (16-0), Rams (3-13), Steelers (10-6), Ravens (7-9), Cards (8-8 ), Jets (4-12), and Bengals(5-11)

DA’s top 3 receivers were Winslow, Edwards, and Jurevicious


So why did he perform better on the road? Is his wife a bad luck charm? Should we try breaking up his family to see if it improves his game? I'm willing to try to steal her away from him if you think its for the best.


And what was our record in those road games when he was putting up come from behind numbers when it was he who often put us in holes?


Hey bruce, if you don't even know what out road record was, what makes you think your assumption that he put us in holes is accurate at all?

Tell you what. Describe how he put us in holes in those 7 games by throwing a combined 9TDs and 5 INTs...we'll wait here for you to sidetrack or ignore instead of answer.

While you're busy thinking up a way to avoid that, you can also think of a way to avoid describing why you think it's so accurate to give the QB so much credit for a win or a loss when football is clearly the most teamwork-driven pro sport in the land.
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e5i50blitz wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.


I'll agree that he doesn't look much like an elite QB right now. But I think you're wrong to say that it's a certainty that he won't be. He does have the basic physical tools.

Will you be the first to discuss the disparity between his home and away games with me?


Sure whatcha wanna know?

I havent looked at the breakdown


First off, I'm not saying that this is any evidence that he's already a great QB, just that it's evidence that he might be pretty damn good.

Weeden on the road (7 games):
155/255 (60.8%) for 1875 yards (7.4 YPA) 9 TDs 5 INTs 87.0 rating

That was against the Ravens (10-6), Bengals (10-6), Giants (9-7), Colts (11-5), Cowboys (8-8 ), Raiders (4-12), and Broncos (13-3).

Weeden’s top 3 receivers were Gordon, Little, and Richardson

Luck on the road (8 games):
170/319 (53.3%) 2229 yards (7.0 YPA) 11 TDs 13 INTs 70.1 rating

That was against the Bears (10-6), Jets (6-10), Titans (6-10), Jags (2-14), Pats (12-4), Lions (4-12), Texans (12-4), and Chiefs (2-14)

Luck’s top 3 receivers were Wayne, Avery, and Hilton

DA on the road in 2007 (8 games):
164/296 (55.4%) 1920 yards (6.5 YPA) 15 TDs 13 INTs 73.9 rating

That was against the Raiders (4-12), Pats (16-0), Rams (3-13), Steelers (10-6), Ravens (7-9), Cards (8-8 ), Jets (4-12), and Bengals(5-11)

DA’s top 3 receivers were Winslow, Edwards, and Jurevicious


Looking at Weeden at home VS away and I see the following:

Home (8 games) 142/262 with 5.8 YPA
Away (7 games) 155/255 with 7.3 YPA

With (1) less game they threw almost the same number of times, and threw downfield more.
I wonder if at home the Browns were managing the game and playing conservative to keep the games close and to keep the fans from booing, and when they went on the road with nothing to lose they opened it up a little more?
Who knows?


I was hoping someone would bring this up. Thanks.

That was pretty much my initial thought. I'd be interested to hear any other possibilities as well.
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Entropy wrote:

I was hoping someone would bring this up. Thanks.

That was pretty much my initial thought. I'd be interested to hear any other possibilities as well.


Well, there's another thing to examine, the teams he played.

Ravens (10-6)- 17th in Pass D (Weeds passer rating: 59.8 )
Bengals (10-6)- 7th in Pass D (PR: 114.9 )
Giants (9-7)- 28th in Pass D (PR: 84.3)
Colts (11-5)- 21st in Pass D (PR: 96.0)
Cowboys (8-8 )- 19th in Pass D (93.7)
Raiders (4-12)- 20th in Pass D (88.2)
Broncos (13-3)- 3rd in Pass D (77.5)

Vs at Home:

vs Phil- 9th in pass D (5.1)
vs Buf- 10th in Pass D (65.8 )
vs Cin- 7th in Pass D (92.7)
vs SD- 18th in Pass D (55.9 )
vs Bal- 17th in Pass D (44.4 )
vs Pitt- 1st in Pass D (78.7)
vs KC- 12th in Pass D (79.4)
vs Was- 30th in Pass D (66.8 )

He played 3 below average defenses at home, he played 5 on the road. I'm sure that helped, especially given that outside of the crazy Bengals performances, the only time he had a rating of 80+ was against those bad defenses.
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bruceb wrote:
Thomas5737 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Entropy wrote:
fsubrowns9510 wrote:
Regarding weeden though... I hope he gets a chance to be coached by Chud and Norv. I think he can come a long ways learning from those 2, but its going to take Lombo and Banner giving him the opportunity to do so.

Will he be elite? Absolutely not, I don't think any of us ever thought that. I was just hoping he could do good enough to win us games, get us in the playoffs and see what happens all while the rest of the team gets built.


I'll agree that he doesn't look much like an elite QB right now. But I think you're wrong to say that it's a certainty that he won't be. He does have the basic physical tools.

Will you be the first to discuss the disparity between his home and away games with me?


Sure whatcha wanna know?

I havent looked at the breakdown


First off, I'm not saying that this is any evidence that he's already a great QB, just that it's evidence that he might be pretty damn good.

Weeden on the road (7 games):
155/255 (60.8%) for 1875 yards (7.4 YPA) 9 TDs 5 INTs 87.0 rating

That was against the Ravens (10-6), Bengals (10-6), Giants (9-7), Colts (11-5), Cowboys (8-8 ), Raiders (4-12), and Broncos (13-3).

Weeden’s top 3 receivers were Gordon, Little, and Richardson

Luck on the road (8 games):
170/319 (53.3%) 2229 yards (7.0 YPA) 11 TDs 13 INTs 70.1 rating

That was against the Bears (10-6), Jets (6-10), Titans (6-10), Jags (2-14), Pats (12-4), Lions (4-12), Texans (12-4), and Chiefs (2-14)

Luck’s top 3 receivers were Wayne, Avery, and Hilton

DA on the road in 2007 (8 games):
164/296 (55.4%) 1920 yards (6.5 YPA) 15 TDs 13 INTs 73.9 rating

That was against the Raiders (4-12), Pats (16-0), Rams (3-13), Steelers (10-6), Ravens (7-9), Cards (8-8 ), Jets (4-12), and Bengals(5-11)

DA’s top 3 receivers were Winslow, Edwards, and Jurevicious


So why did he perform better on the road? Is his wife a bad luck charm? Should we try breaking up his family to see if it improves his game? I'm willing to try to steal her away from him if you think its for the best.


And what was our record in those road games when he was putting up come from behind numbers when it was he who often put us in holes?


Scores at halftime should indicate a pass happy second half and "come from behind" numbers

Here are the halftime scores
Home 8 games: Browns points 70 opponent 86 (4 wins)
Away 7 games: Brown points 66 opponent 84 (1 win)

So, I guess it was not the product of prevent defense and come from behind wins?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Estonianzulu wrote:
Entropy wrote:

I was hoping someone would bring this up. Thanks.

That was pretty much my initial thought. I'd be interested to hear any other possibilities as well.


Well, there's another thing to examine, the teams he played.

Ravens (10-6)- 17th in Pass D (Weeds passer rating: 59.8 )
Bengals (10-6)- 7th in Pass D (PR: 114.9 )
Giants (9-7)- 28th in Pass D (PR: 84.3)
Colts (11-5)- 21st in Pass D (PR: 96.0)
Cowboys (8-8 )- 19th in Pass D (93.7)
Raiders (4-12)- 20th in Pass D (88.2)
Broncos (13-3)- 3rd in Pass D (77.5)

Vs at Home:

vs Phil- 9th in pass D (5.1)
vs Buf- 10th in Pass D (65.8 )
vs Cin- 7th in Pass D (92.7)
vs SD- 18th in Pass D (55.9 )
vs Bal- 17th in Pass D (44.4 )
vs Pitt- 1st in Pass D (78.7)
vs KC- 12th in Pass D (79.4)
vs Was- 30th in Pass D (66.8 )

He played 3 below average defenses at home, he played 5 on the road. I'm sure that helped, especially given that outside of the crazy Bengals performances, the only time he had a rating of 80+ was against those bad defenses.


Games 3 and 4 how many passes did our receivers drop?

I'm not saying the guy is elite; or ever will be but IMO he played good enough for a rookie to warrant another chance this year; with better coaching.
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