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Is Weeden an NFL QB?
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No
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bruceb


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas5737 wrote:
bruceb wrote:
Rookie shmookie. So were Luck, Griffin, Wilson, etc.

He sucked!

Can't do progressions...stares down receivers...throws balls into DL's hands...feet of clay and is horribly inaccurate on the only thing he can do well, which is throw a long ball.


He also throws a good short ball, better than D.A., Colt, Quinn etc... His accuracy isn't bad on any throw in my opinion.

Weeden's biggest flaw last year from what I saw was missing his window. He wasn't up to game speed or he wasn't finding his open receiver quick enough, which could be rookie flaws or just a QB flaw, hard to tell.

He does many things well, which is why a lot of people want to see him in year 2. He also had a lot of time to sit in the pocket, which made his job easier, which I understand frustrates his detractors.

Bottom line...undetermined.

Can't prove he can't do it, can't prove he can. Remember that when discussing him, we are all entitled to our opinions. You just can't say with certainty that he will or won't.

His "supporters" want to see if he succeeds/fails while in a Browns uniform. His detractors want to see him fail/succeed in another uniform.

3 lines beneath bottom line... I hope we see him succeed in a Browns uniform, and one that I recognize. Darn Haslem and his Obama like changes.


Very thoughtful post. ty
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good or not
whatever
i dont care

what i do care about

WHY SO MANY GDAMN TIPPED BALLS

SO ANGERING
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistakebytehlak wrote:
good or not
whatever
i dont care

what i do care about

WHY SO MANY GDAMN TIPPED BALLS

SO ANGERING


Weeden likes have his balls tipped by 300 pound men.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hornbybrown wrote:
mistakebytehlak wrote:
good or not
whatever
i dont care

what i do care about

WHY SO MANY GDAMN TIPPED BALLS

SO ANGERING


Weeden likes have his balls tipped by 300 pound men.


Post of the week. Funny.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Physically? Absolutely. Weeden is a big guy with a big arm. He has NFL size and measurables.

Mentally? I don't think he is. He shys away from the big moment. He isn't a leader. He doesn't take ownership of his faults (I still remember him saying "I'm only a rookie"), and he makes the same mistakes over and over again.

I think Weeden is a back-up in the NFL. He just doesn't have it upstairs, I don't think.

Just my opinion, but that's the way I see it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I hope the new FO does is stand pat at the QB position, maybe a late rd develop QB would be ok. Lets ride the Weeden/Colt for at least a year & find out what we have. IF we do add a QB it should be in FA. Our early draft picks should be on the D side.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistakebytehlak wrote:
good or not
whatever
i dont care

what i do care about

WHY SO MANY GDAMN TIPPED BALLS

SO ANGERING


I have never seen a 6'4 have so many problems as him. It's all about angles.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
mistakebytehlak wrote:
good or not
whatever
i dont care

what i do care about

WHY SO MANY GDAMN TIPPED BALLS

SO ANGERING


I have never seen a 6'4 have so many problems as him. It's all about angles.



I know I should not say this, but at 5'11" Wilson didnt have a single tipped ball this season from what I heard...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dropkick_pride wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
mistakebytehlak wrote:
good or not
whatever
i dont care

what i do care about

WHY SO MANY GDAMN TIPPED BALLS

SO ANGERING


I have never seen a 6'4 have so many problems as him. It's all about angles.



I know I should not say this, but at 5'11" Wilson didnt have a single tipped ball this season from what I heard...


Weeden had 21 batted passes, most in the league.

Wilson had 7, 21st in the league (along with Flacco)

Luck was 4th most, and Tannehill was 6th most.

Dalton was 3rd most. Big Ben was tied for 6th most.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
mistakebytehlak wrote:
good or not
whatever
i dont care

what i do care about

WHY SO MANY GDAMN TIPPED BALLS

SO ANGERING


I have never seen a 6'4 have so many problems as him. It's all about angles.



I know I should not say this, but at 5'11" Wilson didnt have a single tipped ball this season from what I heard...


Weeden had 21 batted passes, most in the league.

Wilson had 7, 21st in the league (along with Flacco)

Luck was 4th most, and Tannehill was 6th most.

Dalton was 3rd most. Big Ben was tied for 6th most.


well, im glad it wasnt zero. that would be embarrassing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bruceb wrote:
Thomas5737 wrote:
bruceb wrote:
Rookie shmookie. So were Luck, Griffin, Wilson, etc.

He sucked!

Can't do progressions...stares down receivers...throws balls into DL's hands...feet of clay and is horribly inaccurate on the only thing he can do well, which is throw a long ball.


He also throws a good short ball, better than D.A., Colt, Quinn etc... His accuracy isn't bad on any throw in my opinion.

Weeden's biggest flaw last year from what I saw was missing his window. He wasn't up to game speed or he wasn't finding his open receiver quick enough, which could be rookie flaws or just a QB flaw, hard to tell.

He does many things well, which is why a lot of people want to see him in year 2. He also had a lot of time to sit in the pocket, which made his job easier, which I understand frustrates his detractors.

Bottom line...undetermined.

Can't prove he can't do it, can't prove he can. Remember that when discussing him, we are all entitled to our opinions. You just can't say with certainty that he will or won't.

His "supporters" want to see if he succeeds/fails while in a Browns uniform. His detractors want to see him fail/succeed in another uniform.

3 lines beneath bottom line... I hope we see him succeed in a Browns uniform, and one that I recognize. Darn Haslem and his Obama like changes.


Very thoughtful post. ty


Bruce,

In terms of pure numbers Luck was just as bad as Weeden. Also with Wilson and RG3 they didn't throw the ball all that much (393 attempts) vs 627 for Luck and 517 for Weeden.

I think RG3 and Wilson were good this year because their coaches took the ball out of their hands more often than they wanted them to throw.

Also RG3 and Wilson averaged way less passing per game as well. Of the top 10 highest rated QBs in the NFL only RG3 and Wilson averaged under 250 yards per game. They really aren't as good (this past season) as everyone is making them out to be. I think next year they will struggle.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dropkick_pride wrote:
bulldog wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
mistakebytehlak wrote:
good or not
whatever
i dont care

what i do care about

WHY SO MANY GDAMN TIPPED BALLS

SO ANGERING


I have never seen a 6'4 have so many problems as him. It's all about angles.



I know I should not say this, but at 5'11" Wilson didnt have a single tipped ball this season from what I heard...


Weeden had 21 batted passes, most in the league.

Wilson had 7, 21st in the league (along with Flacco)

Luck was 4th most, and Tannehill was 6th most.

Dalton was 3rd most. Big Ben was tied for 6th most.


well, im glad it wasnt zero. that would be embarrassing.


and just to build on that, RGIII and Wilson rank 3rd and 7th in passing attempts off PA.

Both of them are ranked 1st and 2nd in percent of their throws being off PA.

They run a ton of bootlegs and whatnot. easy to avoid tips that way...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
bulldog wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
mistakebytehlak wrote:
good or not
whatever
i dont care

what i do care about

WHY SO MANY GDAMN TIPPED BALLS

SO ANGERING


I have never seen a 6'4 have so many problems as him. It's all about angles.



I know I should not say this, but at 5'11" Wilson didnt have a single tipped ball this season from what I heard...


Weeden had 21 batted passes, most in the league.

Wilson had 7, 21st in the league (along with Flacco)

Luck was 4th most, and Tannehill was 6th most.

Dalton was 3rd most. Big Ben was tied for 6th most.


well, im glad it wasnt zero. that would be embarrassing.


and just to build on that, RGIII and Wilson rank 3rd and 7th in passing attempts off PA.

Both of them are ranked 1st and 2nd in percent of their throws being off PA.

They run a ton of bootlegs and whatnot. easy to avoid tips that way...


Not many drags and crossing routes from outside receivers in their playbooks, either. I think that's the biggest thing that caused Weeden problems with tips: slow-developing plays over the short middle area of the field that allowed defenders to follow his eyes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
bulldog wrote:
Dropkick_pride wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
mistakebytehlak wrote:
good or not
whatever
i dont care

what i do care about

WHY SO MANY GDAMN TIPPED BALLS

SO ANGERING


I have never seen a 6'4 have so many problems as him. It's all about angles.



I know I should not say this, but at 5'11" Wilson didnt have a single tipped ball this season from what I heard...


Weeden had 21 batted passes, most in the league.

Wilson had 7, 21st in the league (along with Flacco)

Luck was 4th most, and Tannehill was 6th most.

Dalton was 3rd most. Big Ben was tied for 6th most.


well, im glad it wasnt zero. that would be embarrassing.


and just to build on that, RGIII and Wilson rank 3rd and 7th in passing attempts off PA.

Both of them are ranked 1st and 2nd in percent of their throws being off PA.

They run a ton of bootlegs and whatnot. easy to avoid tips that way...


I think that Weeden should have done a better job finding throwing lanes, but I also think he still would have had plenty of tipped passes.

When I look back at the few games I still have on DVR I see some batted passes coming from pretty frequent 3 step drops (out of a single back formation) on first and second down. The 3 step drop in the WCO is all about timing, and when the defense picks this up, they know exactly when the ball is coming out.

I also noticed that had the balls not been tipped, they were generally being thrown to open receivers for decent gains. Still, this needs fixed (improved) and I think it can be fairly easy to do so.

Now, let's look at how Weeden did in 7 away games:
155/255 (60.8%) for 1875 yards (7.4 YPA) 9TDs 5 INTs 87.0 rating

That was against the Ravens , Bengals , Giants, Colts, Cowboys, Raiders, and Broncos.

How can people explain this? I means besides ignoring it.

Also, Weeden had 32 passes dropped, a few were TDs, many were first downs. Let's not ignore this either.
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Also with a more vertical attacking offense Weeden will have a higher release and a higher arc on his passes leading to less tipped passes. The WCO had him throwing short and medium passes over the middle at a high rate so IMO defenders knew if it was a pass they should throw their hands up and get lucky
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