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Went through these videos today. And I must say that first of all
I'm impressed with how incredible of an in-game play call adjuster that Chip Kelly is. One can say it's at the college level but it's still an impressive trait nonetheless
Also, it clearly confirms that the zone read offense although at it's core may be simple, is much more difficult to stop in theory than it's given credit for.
It's not just about his teams being faster than everyone. It's about taking advantage of misdirection and the execution of the Oline
By the way speaking of the offensive line, you may want to consider drafting anything other than offensive line because that is at the core of making these plays successful. Eagles will need those young athletic offensive linemen. Kelce fits that mold and a couple more guys drafted wouldn't hurt.
Lastly, although they don't run the ball 20 times per game with the QB like Florida with Tim Tebow or Auburn with Cam Newton it's clearly a key component in terms of the threat of the run in stretching the field vertically as well horizontally
So ultimately although Chip Kelly may not need a guy who runs a 4.3 40, definitely a guy at least with the mobility of an Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers is what would optimize the effectiveness of his offense. |
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This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL.
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| ninjapirate wrote: | | This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL. |
Dude, some people are just outright idiots and have no clue how things work.
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| birdman0069 wrote: | | ninjapirate wrote: | | This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL. |
Dude, some people are just outright idiots and have no clue how things work. |
This is why I didn't even bother looking at the Chip Kelly thread in NFL General |
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BBIB
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| ninjapirate wrote: | | This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL. |
You would have said the same thing about the Pistol formation of Chris Ault
How's that working out so far for the purists?
About as well as people who thought the west coast offense was a gimmick or the Shotgun was a gimmick, etc |
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| birdman0069 wrote: | | ninjapirate wrote: | | This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL. |
Dude, some people are just outright idiots and have no clue how things work. |
I suppose you're an expert on Xs and Os. Give me an Xs and Os reason why one of those plays wouldn't work in the NFL |
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| BBIB wrote: | | birdman0069 wrote: | | ninjapirate wrote: | | This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL. |
Dude, some people are just outright idiots and have no clue how things work. |
I suppose you're an expert on Xs and Os. Give me an Xs and Os reason why one of those plays wouldn't work in the NFL |
Those plays will work, but he didn't say they won't, he said that offense won't work. You can run this offense every down, the same as the pistol, shotgun, I form, split back, etc.
You obviously take elements from this offense but you just don't run it the entire time |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Please give BBIB a proper response, some of these replies could be getting warnings, and I've edited one or two in regards to responses aimed at BBIB.
If you can't give a respectful response, don't give any at all.
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This is the first time I'm seeing these videos, and they do offer some insight into the philosophy behind it.
The thing is though, we don't really know what Chip's plans are for the NFL. We don't even have a coordinator yet.
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| TRUTH wrote: |
Those plays will work, but he didn't say they won't, he said that offense won't work. You can run this offense every down, the same as the pistol, shotgun, I form, split back, etc.
You obviously take elements from this offense but you just don't run it the entire time |
The 49ers ran the pistol as often as 50% against the Packers. Will be interesting to see how often they run it vs my Falcons
But the shotgun formation that Chip Kelly employs could absolutely be run over 50% of the time because of how many variations there are
So many of those plays look like the same until you see how the intricate ways they are blocked makes them different and all the counters that are there to what a defense does such as the bubble screens, the speed option, and the playaction game etc
It's pick your poison all day long for a defense
Add the uptempo elements and it's big big plays |
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| BBIB wrote: | | TRUTH wrote: |
Those plays will work, but he didn't say they won't, he said that offense won't work. You can run this offense every down, the same as the pistol, shotgun, I form, split back, etc.
You obviously take elements from this offense but you just don't run it the entire time |
The 49ers ran the pistol as often as 50% against the Packers. Will be interesting to see how often they run it vs my Falcons
But the shotgun formation that Chip Kelly employs could absolutely be run over 50% of the time because of how many variations there are
So many of those plays look like the same until you see how the intricate ways they are blocked makes them different and all the counters that are there to what a defense does such as the bubble screens, the speed option, and the playaction game etc
It's pick your poison all day long for a defense
Add the uptempo elements and it's big big plays |
Yes, we obviously didn't get Chip Kelly to line up in a double tight I backfield and run Iso and Power all day, but he will have to add elements like that, and use them, as well as going to a slower tempo at times.
We have a suspect defense and if we go 3 and out and only use 18 seconds, our defense is going to have record numbers put up on it.
It's Chip's task to balance his uptempo spread with traditional/proven NFL tactics and schemes. |
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BBIB Thanks for the links. They "in game adjustment" ones were great. Every time Harbaugh and Vangio tried to stop Chip would counter. Bring the safeties in for the inside zone? We'll bubble screen 2 straight times gaining 16 yards. Pull a LB out to help? While run in the middle where the LB was. The faces of Harbaugh say it all.
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| TRUTH wrote: |
Yes, we obviously didn't get Chip Kelly to line up in a double tight I backfield and run Iso and Power all day, but he will have to add elements like that, and use them, as well as going to a slower tempo at times.
We have a suspect defense and if we go 3 and out and only use 18 seconds, our defense is going to have record numbers put up on it.
It's Chip's task to balance his uptempo spread with traditional/proven NFL tactics and schemes. |
The thing about Chip Kelly's offense is that it's not just one tempo:
When the games do begin, there's no question that the no-huddle makes Oregon's attack more dangerous, but it's a common misconception that they have only one supersonic speed. The Ducks use plenty of their superfast tempo, but they actually have three settings: red light (slow, quarterback looks to sideline for guidance while the coach can signal in a new play), yellow light (medium speed, quarterback calls the play and can make his own audibles at the line, including various check-with-me plays), and green light (superfast).
This change of pace is actually how Oregon constantly keeps defenses off balance. If they only went one pace the entire game the offense would actually be easier to defend. When the defense lines up quickly and is set, Kelly takes his time and picks the perfect play. When the defense is desperate to substitute or identify Oregon's formation, the Ducks sprint to the line and rip off two, three, or four plays in a row — and it rarely takes more than that for them to score.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems |
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