Discuss football with over 60,000 fans. Free Membership. Join now!

 FAQFAQ  RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

FootballsFuture.com Forum Index
FootballsFuture.com Home

Chip Kelly Staple Plays and Offensive Philosophy
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    FootballsFuture.com Forum Index -> Philadelphia Eagles
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
BBIB


Joined: 20 Jan 2008
Posts: 8771
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:05 pm    Post subject: Chip Kelly Staple Plays and Offensive Philosophy Reply with quote

Staple Plays
Oregon Spread Offense Tutorial #1: The Inside Zone Read
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekf3RGWwqMQ

Fish Oregon Spread Offense Tutorial #2: The Outside Zone Read
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69NBg_ZDixE

Fish Oregon Spread Offense Tutorial #3: The Power Play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L1x5u1mNH0

Fish Oregon Spread Offense Tutorial #4: The Straddled Triple Option
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvM2KDn5yCo

The Fish Tutorial #5: Oregon's New Universal Formation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq-q4nPhnbc

Oregon's Most Important Offensive Play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9_x9JAzb2E&list=UUZG5WxnkptyNJTNIOJuK0Zw&index=1

The Fish Report: Oregon's New "Sweep Read"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eWXJsLDpU0

No Huddle
The FishDuck Minute #9: Oregon's Best No-Huddle Plays of 2010-2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1VvpEqLw-0


==
Game Planning & In-Game Adjustments
How Chip Kelly Game Plans for Opponents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Orn6Yq0Q8

How Chip Kelly Game Plans For Opponents II (Introducing Surprise)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIOxaiott5o

The Fish Report: The Great Spread Offense Laboratory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VorOLsrydcU

The FishDuck Minute #16: Combatting the Scrape Exchange
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zha8NxKPaZE

==


Misc
The Fish Report: Passing Game Reads...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76kviJ2Kc2w

The FishDuck Minute #2: Oregon's New "Dart" Play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OdbfzpAO3Y&list=PL9C64048E47AAE62D

The FishDuck Minute #11: The Oregon Spread Offense Has A Trap Play!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLve37a-htQ

The FishDuck Minute #8: Oregon's Pulling Center Changes the Spread Offense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=808GlP-7AKQ

The FishDuck Minute #14: Oregon's Mid-Level Read
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRUsqWL9MeE

The Fish Report: More Than a Point After
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH7ml3XIXQQ&list=UUZfv0SBbFWcs8YUv8rmkLow&index=13


----------------------------


TheDrake wrote:
Chip may not use a lot of these plays but you can bet he will bring innovation to Philly


http://fishduck.com/2013/01/what-every-nfl-fan-should-know-about-chip-kelly/


Last edited by BBIB on Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:51 pm; edited 4 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
BBIB


Joined: 20 Jan 2008
Posts: 8771
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went through these videos today. And I must say that first of all
I'm impressed with how incredible of an in-game play call adjuster that Chip Kelly is. One can say it's at the college level but it's still an impressive trait nonetheless

Also, it clearly confirms that the zone read offense although at it's core may be simple, is much more difficult to stop in theory than it's given credit for.

It's not just about his teams being faster than everyone. It's about taking advantage of misdirection and the execution of the Oline

By the way speaking of the offensive line, you may want to consider drafting anything other than offensive line because that is at the core of making these plays successful. Eagles will need those young athletic offensive linemen. Kelce fits that mold and a couple more guys drafted wouldn't hurt.

Lastly, although they don't run the ball 20 times per game with the QB like Florida with Tim Tebow or Auburn with Cam Newton it's clearly a key component in terms of the threat of the run in stretching the field vertically as well horizontally

So ultimately although Chip Kelly may not need a guy who runs a 4.3 40, definitely a guy at least with the mobility of an Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers is what would optimize the effectiveness of his offense.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ninjapirate


Joined: 14 Jan 2005
Posts: 34125
Location: Vegas
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL.
_________________


RainbowCarebear wrote:
Small d = pastry
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
birdman0069


Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Posts: 6270
Location: Key West, FL
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninjapirate wrote:
This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL.

Dude, some people are just outright idiots and have no clue how things work.
_________________

Props to Eagles _808 on the sig.
PE, the new poster child for birth control.

Birdman, slowest to 10K
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
TRUTH


Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 2619
Location: Mechanicsburg, OH
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

birdman0069 wrote:
ninjapirate wrote:
This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL.

Dude, some people are just outright idiots and have no clue how things work.


This is why I didn't even bother looking at the Chip Kelly thread in NFL General
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
BBIB


Joined: 20 Jan 2008
Posts: 8771
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninjapirate wrote:
This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL.


You would have said the same thing about the Pistol formation of Chris Ault

How's that working out so far for the purists?

About as well as people who thought the west coast offense was a gimmick or the Shotgun was a gimmick, etc
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
BBIB


Joined: 20 Jan 2008
Posts: 8771
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

birdman0069 wrote:
ninjapirate wrote:
This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL.

Dude, some people are just outright idiots and have no clue how things work.


I suppose you're an expert on Xs and Os. Give me an Xs and Os reason why one of those plays wouldn't work in the NFL
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RandyMossIsBoss


Joined: 01 Jun 2012
Posts: 18753
Location: Can't talk
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


_________________


~Bird Watch 2014 | Nick Foles~
1,628 yards, 10 TDs, 7 INTs, 82.0 Passer Rating
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
TRUTH


Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 2619
Location: Mechanicsburg, OH
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBIB wrote:
birdman0069 wrote:
ninjapirate wrote:
This is the NFL. Who cares what he did in college. He most likely won't and shouldn't attempt that offense in the NFL.

Dude, some people are just outright idiots and have no clue how things work.


I suppose you're an expert on Xs and Os. Give me an Xs and Os reason why one of those plays wouldn't work in the NFL


Those plays will work, but he didn't say they won't, he said that offense won't work. You can run this offense every down, the same as the pistol, shotgun, I form, split back, etc.

You obviously take elements from this offense but you just don't run it the entire time
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Phire


Moderator
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 49599
Location: #FSU #championchip #2012BirdsHoF #2012GoldStnd #YAKtoseIntolerant #Merica #TrollyRangers #Danes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please give BBIB a proper response, some of these replies could be getting warnings, and I've edited one or two in regards to responses aimed at BBIB.

If you can't give a respectful response, don't give any at all.
_________________
theuntouchable wrote:
Think about this phire. I am the real chow.

RainbowCarebear wrote:
Only for the quick and lucky.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Phire


Moderator
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 49599
Location: #FSU #championchip #2012BirdsHoF #2012GoldStnd #YAKtoseIntolerant #Merica #TrollyRangers #Danes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the first time I'm seeing these videos, and they do offer some insight into the philosophy behind it.

The thing is though, we don't really know what Chip's plans are for the NFL. We don't even have a coordinator yet.
_________________
theuntouchable wrote:
Think about this phire. I am the real chow.

RainbowCarebear wrote:
Only for the quick and lucky.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
BBIB


Joined: 20 Jan 2008
Posts: 8771
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRUTH wrote:

Those plays will work, but he didn't say they won't, he said that offense won't work. You can run this offense every down, the same as the pistol, shotgun, I form, split back, etc.

You obviously take elements from this offense but you just don't run it the entire time


The 49ers ran the pistol as often as 50% against the Packers. Will be interesting to see how often they run it vs my Falcons

But the shotgun formation that Chip Kelly employs could absolutely be run over 50% of the time because of how many variations there are

So many of those plays look like the same until you see how the intricate ways they are blocked makes them different and all the counters that are there to what a defense does such as the bubble screens, the speed option, and the playaction game etc

It's pick your poison all day long for a defense

Add the uptempo elements and it's big big plays
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
TRUTH


Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 2619
Location: Mechanicsburg, OH
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBIB wrote:
TRUTH wrote:

Those plays will work, but he didn't say they won't, he said that offense won't work. You can run this offense every down, the same as the pistol, shotgun, I form, split back, etc.

You obviously take elements from this offense but you just don't run it the entire time


The 49ers ran the pistol as often as 50% against the Packers. Will be interesting to see how often they run it vs my Falcons

But the shotgun formation that Chip Kelly employs could absolutely be run over 50% of the time because of how many variations there are

So many of those plays look like the same until you see how the intricate ways they are blocked makes them different and all the counters that are there to what a defense does such as the bubble screens, the speed option, and the playaction game etc

It's pick your poison all day long for a defense

Add the uptempo elements and it's big big plays


Yes, we obviously didn't get Chip Kelly to line up in a double tight I backfield and run Iso and Power all day, but he will have to add elements like that, and use them, as well as going to a slower tempo at times.

We have a suspect defense and if we go 3 and out and only use 18 seconds, our defense is going to have record numbers put up on it.

It's Chip's task to balance his uptempo spread with traditional/proven NFL tactics and schemes.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
skatebeanz


Joined: 13 Apr 2009
Posts: 19315
Location: Jamison. on the Sweet-sig.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBIB Thanks for the links. They "in game adjustment" ones were great. Every time Harbaugh and Vangio tried to stop Chip would counter. Bring the safeties in for the inside zone? We'll bubble screen 2 straight times gaining 16 yards. Pull a LB out to help? While run in the middle where the LB was. The faces of Harbaugh say it all.
_________________

Sig bet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
BBIB


Joined: 20 Jan 2008
Posts: 8771
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRUTH wrote:

Yes, we obviously didn't get Chip Kelly to line up in a double tight I backfield and run Iso and Power all day, but he will have to add elements like that, and use them, as well as going to a slower tempo at times.

We have a suspect defense and if we go 3 and out and only use 18 seconds, our defense is going to have record numbers put up on it.

It's Chip's task to balance his uptempo spread with traditional/proven NFL tactics and schemes.


The thing about Chip Kelly's offense is that it's not just one tempo:


When the games do begin, there's no question that the no-huddle makes Oregon's attack more dangerous, but it's a common misconception that they have only one supersonic speed. The Ducks use plenty of their superfast tempo, but they actually have three settings: red light (slow, quarterback looks to sideline for guidance while the coach can signal in a new play), yellow light (medium speed, quarterback calls the play and can make his own audibles at the line, including various check-with-me plays), and green light (superfast).

This change of pace is actually how Oregon constantly keeps defenses off balance. If they only went one pace the entire game the offense would actually be easier to defend. When the defense lines up quickly and is set, Kelly takes his time and picks the perfect play. When the defense is desperate to substitute or identify Oregon's formation, the Ducks sprint to the line and rip off two, three, or four plays in a row and it rarely takes more than that for them to score.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   

Post new topic   Reply to topic    FootballsFuture.com Forum Index -> Philadelphia Eagles All times are GMT - 4 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Page 1 of 6

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group