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bungleodeon
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| Steelerspower wrote: | Marty "WE WANT THE WIND" Mornhinweg
| Quote: | In his first season, Mornhinweg led his Lions to a 2-14 record and developed a reputation as a specimen residing somewhere between "imbecile" and "buffoon." With his bulging eyes, sagging cheeks, rather psychotic cheeriness and, most notable, his whiny, nasally pipsqueak voice -- he sounds like Jackie Martling from the Howard Stern Show -- made him into a league-wide joke in record time. It was difficult to imagine how players could possibly taking this ludicrous little man seriously (NFL Films could always be counted on to show a "Come on, guys, let's go get em'!" highlight as his team failed to suppress giggles at the sight).
But what stuck the most about Mornhinweg was his absolute certainty no move he made was ever wrong, no matter how idiotic; he was the only person who believed his own [inappropriate/removed]. You could just see him smirking to himself after he made a decision: "God, I am a great coach!"
Then came November 25, 2002. The Lions, 3-7 on the season, traveled to Champaign, Ill., to play the Chicago Bears. The game, poorly played by both teams, went into overtime.
All season the NFL has been in the midst of a fierce debate about how it structures its overtimes. Opening possession of the overtime period is decided by a coin toss; whoever wins the toss chooses to go on offense first, and, as anyone can tell you, it's tougher to score when you don't have the ball. Since the first team to score in overtime wins, the perception is that a mere coin flip is unfair; a team could conceivably lose a game in overtime without having the opportunity to touch the ball, giving the winner of the coin toss a disproportionate advantage.
The Bears' and Lions' captains took to midfield in a swirling wind. The referee flipped the coin, called "Heads" in the air by the Lions. It landed heads. Lions' ball, right? Cut to Mornhinweg, headset around his neck, girth busting out of his sweater, pupils the size of saucers, finger in the air, thundering to the heavens, Zeus on the mountaintop, releasing his epic screed for all humans to absorb, admire and pass down from generation to generation:
"WE WANT THE WIND!!!!!!!!"
And it was so. Mornhinweg decided that, rather than taking the ball like a normal person, he would put the wind at his team's back, presumably to make it easier to kick field goals. His players looked at him as if he had a rather large penis growing out of his forehead. He just folded his arms and nodded, infinitely pleased with himself, the only guy who gets it.
It goes without saying: The Bears never relinquished the ball, scoring on their first possession to win. And Marty Mornhinweg's place in history was secure: "We Want the Wind," a new shorthand for "I'm About to Do Something Completely Self-Destructive and Brainless, and Not Only Am I Not Aware of It, I'm Absolutely Certain It's the Best Idea I've Ever Had!" |
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This story is missing the fact that every single point in regulation was scored with the wind. His mistake in that game was not taking the wind in OT, it was accepting a 3rd down holding penalty. Had he declined it and brought up 4th down, there is no way the other team would have went for it or tried the FG, they would have punted. Instead he accepted the penalty, the other team got more than 10 yards on 3rd down, then went for it on 4th down and converted.
He took the wind so the other team couldn't try to win on a FG, the situation popped up where they would have to try a long FG or just punt, and instead of using the advantage of the wind he got greedy and accepted a penalty he had no reason to accept.
I still to this day think accepting the 3rd down penalty was a much worse call than taking the wind.
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Is Norv Turner not available?
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| reckless123 wrote: | | Is Norv Turner not available? |
The Browns snagged him.
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| RaidersAreOne wrote: | | reckless123 wrote: | | Is Norv Turner not available? |
The Browns snagged him. |
Oh Damn! The Browns have a bright future i must say. Theyre a star WR a way from probably competing in the AFC North. The AFC north looks resume its supremacy as the best division in football.
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| The curse of Tebow |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Jets can't do anything right can they. If it wasn't for Rex Ryan's defense, they would be the worst team in the league next year.
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| chris00cm wrote: | | Jets can't do anything right can they. If it wasn't for Rex Ryan's defense, they would be the worst team in the league next year. |
We hired John Idzik. That's doing something right.
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While certainly not my first choice, I think the reaction here is a little over the top. I don't think Rex Ryan is going to allow it to get to the point where the pass/run ratio is where it was in Philly. If we're to believe anything Rex said, he's going to be more involved in all aspects of the Jets.
This hire shows Ryan is serious about ditching ground and pound, but I just can't see him going all the way to the other side of the spectrum either.
This move is secondary to a QB change, really. The Jets could have Bill Walsh calling plays, but it wouldn't matter given who the Jets QBs are at this point. I can't really judge anyone working with Sanchez at QB. It's all going to depend on who they bring in to be the QB. If its Vick, I'll be sorely disappointed. |
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| Jetsman82 wrote: | While certainly not my first choice, I think the reaction here is a little over the top. I don't think Rex Ryan is going to allow it to get to the point where the pass/run ratio is where it was in Philly. If we're to believe anything Rex said, he's going to be more involved in all aspects of the Jets.
This hire shows Ryan is serious about ditching ground and pound, but I just can't see him going all the way to the other side of the spectrum either.
This move is secondary to a QB change, really. The Jets could have Bill Walsh calling plays, but it wouldn't matter given who the Jets QBs are at this point. I can't really judge anyone working with Sanchez at QB. It's all going to depend on who they bring in to be the QB. If its Vick, I'll be sorely disappointed. |
While I wish we had someone else calling plays, I think Marty can do a better job here than he did with the Eagles. The pass/run ratio should be a bit closer to normal than it was when he was under Andy Reid. I think this move can really help Stephen Hill immensely. This offense is built for him to thrive.
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could be wrong, and but thought i thought i saw a show talking about how sanchez does the best when he does play action. so this might be good for him.....since marty doesnt bother to do straight back passing....or running....just play action....every play.
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| Jetsman82 wrote: | While certainly not my first choice, I think the reaction here is a little over the top. I don't think Rex Ryan is going to allow it to get to the point where the pass/run ratio is where it was in Philly. If we're to believe anything Rex said, he's going to be more involved in all aspects of the Jets.
This hire shows Ryan is serious about ditching ground and pound, but I just can't see him going all the way to the other side of the spectrum either.
This move is secondary to a QB change, really. The Jets could have Bill Walsh calling plays, but it wouldn't matter given who the Jets QBs are at this point. I can't really judge anyone working with Sanchez at QB. It's all going to depend on who they bring in to be the QB. If its Vick, I'll be sorely disappointed. |
AJ Feeley needs a job. I don't know that this particularly bodes well for the Jets enticing Alex Smith - though he does have a solid qorking knowledge of several varietal of the WCO. Could see a move for Matt Flynn, though Seattle's sitting in the dirver's seat there with all the leverage (since even eating a $4 million dead money cap hit to trade him, they still end up saving $3 million compared to what Flynn would count against the 2013 cap). I'd say a realistic expectation of what Flynn would cost (since his contract is pretty friendly) would be a 3rd round pick and a swap of 2013 1st's between the Jets and Seattle.
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| The LBC wrote: | | Jetsman82 wrote: | While certainly not my first choice, I think the reaction here is a little over the top. I don't think Rex Ryan is going to allow it to get to the point where the pass/run ratio is where it was in Philly. If we're to believe anything Rex said, he's going to be more involved in all aspects of the Jets.
This hire shows Ryan is serious about ditching ground and pound, but I just can't see him going all the way to the other side of the spectrum either.
This move is secondary to a QB change, really. The Jets could have Bill Walsh calling plays, but it wouldn't matter given who the Jets QBs are at this point. I can't really judge anyone working with Sanchez at QB. It's all going to depend on who they bring in to be the QB. If its Vick, I'll be sorely disappointed. |
AJ Feeley needs a job. I don't know that this particularly bodes well for the Jets enticing Alex Smith - though he does have a solid qorking knowledge of several varietal of the WCO. Could see a move for Matt Flynn, though Seattle's sitting in the dirver's seat there with all the leverage (since even eating a $4 million dead money cap hit to trade him, they still end up saving $3 million compared to what Flynn would count against the 2013 cap). |
We just hired John Idzik as our GM, so I could easily see a trade for Matt Flynn.
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| green24 wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | Jetsman82 wrote: | While certainly not my first choice, I think the reaction here is a little over the top. I don't think Rex Ryan is going to allow it to get to the point where the pass/run ratio is where it was in Philly. If we're to believe anything Rex said, he's going to be more involved in all aspects of the Jets.
This hire shows Ryan is serious about ditching ground and pound, but I just can't see him going all the way to the other side of the spectrum either.
This move is secondary to a QB change, really. The Jets could have Bill Walsh calling plays, but it wouldn't matter given who the Jets QBs are at this point. I can't really judge anyone working with Sanchez at QB. It's all going to depend on who they bring in to be the QB. If its Vick, I'll be sorely disappointed. |
AJ Feeley needs a job. I don't know that this particularly bodes well for the Jets enticing Alex Smith - though he does have a solid qorking knowledge of several varietal of the WCO. Could see a move for Matt Flynn, though Seattle's sitting in the dirver's seat there with all the leverage (since even eating a $4 million dead money cap hit to trade him, they still end up saving $3 million compared to what Flynn would count against the 2013 cap). |
We just hired John Idzik as our GM, so I could easily see a trade for Matt Flynn. |
Yeah, I just updated my post above with what I'd expect Flynn to cost. Just because a guy came from a front office doesn't mean he's going to get a friends and family discount. If anything, as we've seen with Belichick and Pioli, there's a kiss-the-ring sort of deference to the original team with the QB. And since the Jets aren't in a position to take on a salary-dump the way the Chiefs were with taking Vrabel off the Pats' hands (and saving the Pats somewhere between $5-7m that season), the makeup in compensation is very likely in the form of draft picks.
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| The LBC wrote: | | green24 wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | Jetsman82 wrote: | While certainly not my first choice, I think the reaction here is a little over the top. I don't think Rex Ryan is going to allow it to get to the point where the pass/run ratio is where it was in Philly. If we're to believe anything Rex said, he's going to be more involved in all aspects of the Jets.
This hire shows Ryan is serious about ditching ground and pound, but I just can't see him going all the way to the other side of the spectrum either.
This move is secondary to a QB change, really. The Jets could have Bill Walsh calling plays, but it wouldn't matter given who the Jets QBs are at this point. I can't really judge anyone working with Sanchez at QB. It's all going to depend on who they bring in to be the QB. If its Vick, I'll be sorely disappointed. |
AJ Feeley needs a job. I don't know that this particularly bodes well for the Jets enticing Alex Smith - though he does have a solid qorking knowledge of several varietal of the WCO. Could see a move for Matt Flynn, though Seattle's sitting in the dirver's seat there with all the leverage (since even eating a $4 million dead money cap hit to trade him, they still end up saving $3 million compared to what Flynn would count against the 2013 cap). |
We just hired John Idzik as our GM, so I could easily see a trade for Matt Flynn. |
Yeah, I just updated my post above with what I'd expect Flynn to cost. Just because a guy came from a front office doesn't mean he's going to get a friends and family discount. If anything, as we've seen with Belichick and Pioli, there's a kiss-the-ring sort of deference to the original team with the QB. And since the Jets aren't in a position to take on a salary-dump the way the Chiefs were with taking Vrabel off the Pats' hands (and saving the Pats somewhere between $5-7m that season), the makeup in compensation is very likely in the form of draft picks. |
A swap of firsts? 
That's a bit much for a guy that might not even see the field for Seattle. I was thinking maybe a 3rd, Sanchez, and maybe a late conditional 2014 pick for Flynn. That would cost Seattle a few million this year, but save them some money in 2014.
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Lulz Jets. Why didn't you just fire Rex?
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