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ChaRisMa


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wait. Ball is a finesse back? Completely disagree. Balanced back, superior vision. Nose for the end zone. James White will be a better NFL back.

No he won't. White is a soft runner. Likely he doesn't even start next year over Melvin Gordon.

Time will tell.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wait. Ball is a finesse back? Completely disagree. Balanced back, superior vision. Nose for the end zone. James White will be a better NFL back.


Agree, and man would I ever like to see those two things in Green Bay again before I die. It's been too damn long!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChaRisMa wrote:
nfldraftguru1 wrote:
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Wait. Ball is a finesse back? Completely disagree. Balanced back, superior vision. Nose for the end zone. James White will be a better NFL back.

No he won't. White is a soft runner. Likely he doesn't even start next year over Melvin Gordon.

Time will tell.

Gordon is a guy to watch. Has more physical talent than any UW back ever.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Combine list:
http://www.nflcombine.net/players/official-invite-list

snubs IMO:
Sudfeld, Wes Horton, Juszczyk


Tremayne Scott.
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Good thing for talky-talk Harbaugh he has an outstanding citizen/player like Aldon Smith on his team and not a classless hooligan like Clay Matthews.
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Does anyone else think Gavin Escobar would be an upgrade at TE?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone else think Gavin Escobar would be an upgrade at TE?


Sure, so would Eifert and Ertz, and possibly a few other guys.
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Does anyone else think Gavin Escobar would be an upgrade at TE?


Sure, so would Eifert and Ertz, and possibly a few other guys.
Kelce is probably the only other one in that tier TBH.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone else think Gavin Escobar would be an upgrade at TE?


Sure, so would Eifert and Ertz, and possibly a few other guys.
Kelce is probably the only other one in that tier TBH.


I think Fauria has the talent to as well

On a completely different subject, I hate seeing how many people reach for RBs trying to put them to the Packers in mocks.

The 2 big ones are Lacy in the 1st, and Christine Michael in the 3rd.

With Lacy, there isn't a RB I think is worth a 1st round pick at all, and I don't really think Lacy is all that good of a RB prospect anyway, especially for the Packers.

With Michael, he's never even been a real #1 RB in college, broke his leg in 2010, tore his ACL in 2011, not to mention is a poor blocker and has some personality red flags as well. It's not that I don't like his ability as a prospect, just 3rd round seems WAY too high.
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So I am all for grabbing Robert Woods this year if we can get a good value on him, but TBH I am alread looking at next year's WR's and with Lee and Watkins most likely way gone before our pick :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVmi_e6B7DU

Can I haz Black Mamba plz???
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Josh Sitton, Mike Daniels

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone else think Gavin Escobar would be an upgrade at TE?

I've seen some big praise for him. May rise into round 2.
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I'm going to do some write ups on this year's "top teir" TE's.
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Tyler Eifert Notre Dame*

Height: 6'6"
Weight: 251
Hand:
Arm:
Wingspan:
*Notre Dame Site Measurables
Age at NFL kickoff: 23
2012: 50 receptions 685 yards 4 touchdowns
2011: 63 receptions 803 yards 5 touchdowns
2010: 27 receptions 352 yards 2 touchdowns
2009: redshirt

Eifert is basically what a team wants in a big catcher. He's a great athlete for his size. Out athlete'd Dee Milliner, who many think is the #1 corner in the class, in the National Championship [1], [2]. He flat out can get up there. Only balls he won't catch are ones that his body can't leap or dive for [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]. Never drops a pass due to his hands. His QB's at Notre Dame were never great [10], but even on bad passes he shows flashes of his athleticism by just getting into a position to make a play [11]. Only problem I have him passing game wise is that he's a straight line guy. He's never going to make a move on a guy in open field, but if you come correct tackling him, he's going to keep rolling without you [12], [13]. I actually think Eifert has potential to be more than just a pass catcher. He's willing to block (more than we can say about some people on the roster), and he is strong. In my opinion he's a better pass blocking tight end than a run blocking tight end, but it's because he can't consistently put himself in position [14], [15]. When he locks on a blockee he's driving them [16], [17], [18]. When he's not, he can look like a fool, standing with empty hands. I think pass blocking is easier for him, because the guys are basically coming to him. That's something that you can coach, though. He's not just a TE, either. He's lined up at WR and some FB type positions [19], [20].

Youtube'd games:
Alabama
BYU
Purdue
Stanford
Florida State (2011)
Pittsburgh (2011)
South Florida (2011)
Stanford (2011)
Army (2010)

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He's not just a TE, either. He's lined up at WR and some FB type positions


This is a really big part for MM's offense IMO and one of the things other than the obvious ability and effort +s that I really like. Flexibility is key and part of what made Cobb such a good fit. To get that in a TE prospect like Eifert could be huge for this offense.
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He's not just a TE, either. He's lined up at WR and some FB type positions


This is a really big part for MM's offense IMO and one of the things other than the obvious ability and effort +s that I really like. Flexibility is key and part of what made Cobb such a good fit. To get that in a TE prospect like Eifert could be huge for this offense.
I like him a lot more than Ertz. Ertz is just a big, strong WR. He runs routes better than Eifert, and makes more difficult catches in contact, but that's just because Eifert jumps over the guys, instead of making contact with them. Ertz also makes some bonehead drops that Eifert doesn't. Idk. When you look at guys that are "complete", I think Eifert has the clear edge over Ertz.
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Zach Ertz Stanford*

Height: 6'6"
Weight: 265
Hand:
Arm:
Wingspan:
*Stanford Site Measurables
Age at NFL kickoff: 22
2012: 69 receptions 898 yards 6 touchdowns
2011: 27 receptions 346 yards 4 touchdowns
2010: 16 receptions 190 yards 5 touchdowns
2009: redshirt

Ertz is a good athlete with a big frame, but is a step behind Eifert. Ertz lacks the leaping ability that Eifert has, which makes catches for him more difficult. Ertz has strong hands, though. He makes a higher percentage of difficult catches in traffic than Eifert does, but I'd still rather have the guy in the passing game that makes it look easy. He also runs good routes. Not too many tight ends run double moves on CBs better than he has, when he's been split wide [1]. Ertz also has made a couple dumb drops that I haven't seen from Eifert [2], [3]. Those drops always seem to be passes he just loses track of mentally. He's actually really good sliding catches that Nunez forced him to go after [4], [5]. Ertz isn't the greatest blocker in the world. He has the same problem getting into position for second level pushes [6], but he doesn't give a strong enough push, when he locks on that you would want from a balanced TE. I think Ertz is like a poor man's Jimmy Graham.

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Notre Dame
Oregon
USC
Washington

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