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palmy50


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with ya and like Ball a great deal in fit. If he runs that sub 4.6 I'll like him even more. No issue with that speed at style. Nice when you have seen them play in the weather also! Very easy tape grade right there. Ya know what you are going to get there.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ball is a slowpoke.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Combine list:
http://www.nflcombine.net/players/official-invite-list

snubs IMO:
Sudfeld, Wes Horton, Juszczyk
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW these are the cuts I've made in the past two weeks

Shrine Game cuts:
Zac Stacy (RB Vanderbilt): http://youtu.be/t34WJhKzC-Q
AJ Klein (LB Iowa State): http://youtu.be/5oYctiUT_FU
Terry Hawthorne (CB Illinois): http://youtu.be/-Lmfnt6dREE
Devin Taylor (DE South Carolina), Mike Catapano (DE Princeton), Joe Vellano (DT Maryland): http://youtu.be/g0-WeCHApmQ
Colin Klein (QB Kansas State): http://youtu.be/ID64nRw4k6I
Matt Scott (QB Arizona): http://youtu.be/jR-7vIeLyso
Christine Michael (RB Texas A&M): http://youtu.be/d2BbDZytXvw

Senior Bowl cuts:
Kyle Juszczyk (FB, former TE, Harvard): http://youtu.be/rtgc6hgjN28
Brandon Williams (NT Missouri Southern): http://youtu.be/qEJeUILylZQ
Sylvester Williams (DT UNC): http://youtu.be/eM7N-7fPVT4
Phillip Thomas (S Fresno State): http://youtu.be/BGrdjWd2SGA
Alex Okafor (DE Texas): http://youtu.be/l5Cw0VbX4vc
Robert Alford (CB Southeast Louisiana): http://youtu.be/fHdnD850l6g
BW Webb (CB William & Mary): http://youtu.be/3-uNJDnVZaY
Quinton Patton (WR Louisiana Tech): http://youtu.be/rokLPGLwHs8

Upcoming:
David Quessenberry (OT SJSU)
Lane Johnson (OT Oklahoma)
Sean Porter (LB TAMU)
Kevin Riddick (LB UNC)
Trevardo Williams (LB UConn)
Ziggy Ansah (DE BYU)
Eric Fisher (OT CMU)
Michael Buchanan (DE Illinois)
Hughe Thornton (OG Illinois)
Josh Boyd (DT Mississippi State)
Sio Moore (LB UConn both Senior/Shrine)
Baccari Rambo (S UGA)
Jordan Poyer (CB Oregon State)

If you got requests, make them.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathan Cyprien would be an interesting one.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just watched Brandon Williams senior bowl tape seemed like he was alot better in drills than in the game. Swim, spin, and bull in practice then nuthin in the game Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cpnesdude41 wrote:
Just watched Brandon Williams senior bowl tape seemed like he was alot better in drills than in the game. Swim, spin, and bull in practice then nuthin in the game Confused


That's what they mean when you see scouting reports that say "raw" and "lacks a feel for the game."
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCPackFan wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
spilltray wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
How is Ball a 'classic' Badgers RB? What is a classic Badgers RB?


How is he not? He plays behind an absolutely stacked OL and I think there is a very real concern on if he's a product of his line.


You made the claim that he is, so I'd like to hear why you think so.

Playing behind a similar offensive line doesn't make him a similar prospect.


I think what he's trying to get at is the fact that Wisconsin RB's have found very little success in the NFL. Here's the run-down since Dayne:

Ron Dayne was a Heisman winner, then drafted to a team that went to the Super Bowl, but didn't have the speed to become an elite NFL back.

Michael Bennett had the speed but just couldn't adjust to the NFL game and if I recall correctly, he had a fumble problem.

Anthony Davis goes to the Colts and does bupkis behind Edgerrin James and gets replaced by Joseph Addai following Edge's departure to Arizona.

Brian Calhoun went to Detroit and, once again, did nothing behind a crap O-line in Detroit.

Now you've got Monte Ball who is a finesse back with a 4.57 40(yuck) who looked horrible at the beginning of last season because his line played like crap and then he got a concussion. He can't push the line, he can't take a hit, he gets his yards by dodging players and often times gets ridden down by one tackler.


That is not a good analysis of Ball at all. You need to watch some more tape or watch the games.

If Ball runs under a 4.55, he would definitely be on my want list in Titletown. As long as he does not go over 4.6, I would still want him. Very good player there that can do everything and is probably light years ahead of a lot of other prospects at the same position in terms of maturity.

Precombine, I like Taylor, Gillislee, and Bernard better in Titletown over Ball, but that is it. I will with hold judgement on Randle, Jamison and Graham until I see them run as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmy50 wrote:
I Am Rodgers wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
I have Fluker on there to push Bulaga to the left side. Same with Wagner and a couple others.
IMO even if we had Fluker our best line would be Sherrod-Lang-EDS-Sitton-Bulaga this is still a pass first team and that is easily our best pass pro line. Let Harris have his chance behind that line while healthy before we give up on them run blocking.


Not sure on Fluker vs Lang at LG. I may lean Fluker. Lang has some nasty to him, but Fluker is someone I feel could hold his own better vs the DTs in our division. (Fairley, Suh, Melton, etc). Maybe not as a rook, but year 2 and on.


WOW do I ever disagree. Fluker would be a RTO in this system all day long. There is just no way he could pull of some of the block fits inside in this system. Don't get me wrong, that's a damn good football player right there. Just a real bad fit outside of the RT position. Last huge OL that came out that could pull them all in fit was Big Andre a few years back. Highly doubt TT holds that kids high board though.

Also, I feel TT has done a great job of finding G's to play the matchup game in division. Those three above are going to get theirs every now and again on any of them! Very happy with the Lang/Sitton combo though. Even more so when you look at the money ties at grade. Guards are getting paid in todays NFL. Know what I mean?


Forgot we run a ZBS. Yeah Fluker wouldn't be able to pull off the blocking assignemnts. However, if we were to change to more of a man/power scheme, I'd absolutely take Fluker.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inside Linebackers

1. Kevin Minter, LSU. Mid 1st.
2. Manti Te'o, Notre Dame. Late 1st.
3. Alec Ogletree, Early 2nd.
4. Chase Thomas, Late 2nd.
5. Kevin Reddick, North Carolina. Late 2nd.
6. Kiko Alonso, Oregon. Late 3rd.
7. Jon Bostic, Florida. Late 4th.
8. AJ Klein, Iowa State. Late 5th.
9. Vince Williams, Florida State. Early 6th.
9. Nico Johnson, Alabama. Late 6th.
10. Dan Molls, Toledo. Late 7th.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait. Ball is a finesse back? Completely disagree. Balanced back, superior vision. Nose for the end zone. James White will be a better NFL back.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChaRisMa wrote:
Wait. Ball is a finesse back? Completely disagree. Balanced back, superior vision. Nose for the end zone. James White will be a better NFL back.

No he won't. White is a soft runner. Likely he doesn't even start next year over Melvin Gordon.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since we're talking about the RB position, I'm very curious as to what you all think about Mike Gillislee. To me, he's my favorite running back in the draft.

I really like his breakaway speed and he was really impressive at the senior bowl. Looks the part of a three down back in the NFL. There were questions about his ability to block, but from reports I read he was very good at blitz pick ups. He looks like a potential playmaker, which is what we need.

What I like most about Gillislee is the fact that he has 'low mileage.' Only a starter for one season, he hasn't taken the normal toll a back would take heading in to his rookie season. His best football is ahead of him and he's natural at catching the ball out of the backfield.

I'm curious as to what you guys think about Gillislee as a prospect for the Packers.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2Bigby0 wrote:
Since we're talking about the RB position, I'm very curious as to what you all think about Mike Gillislee. To me, he's my favorite running back in the draft.

I really like his breakaway speed and he was really impressive at the senior bowl. Looks the part of a three down back in the NFL. There were questions about his ability to block, but from reports I read he was very good at blitz pick ups. He looks like a potential playmaker, which is what we need.

What I like most about Gillislee is the fact that he has 'low mileage.' Only a starter for one season, he hasn't taken the normal toll a back would take heading in to his rookie season. His best football is ahead of him and he's natural at catching the ball out of the backfield.

I'm curious as to what you guys think about Gillislee as a prospect for the Packers.

Love Gillislee, my favorite RB in the Draft. Reminds me a lot of Jamaal Charles to be honest, I was very close to putting him in my last mock.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gillislee is better in space. Reminds me some of Reggie Bush in that regard. Not the pounder I want, but a nice back nonetheless
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