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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfinley88 wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Offensive Tackle Rankings

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M. Top 3.
2. Jake Mathews, Texas A&M. Top 10.
3. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan. Mid 1st.
4. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma. Mid 1st.
5. Dallas Thomas, Tennessee. Late 1st.
5. Oday Aboushi, Virginia. Late 2nd.
6. DJ Fluker, Alabama. Late 2nd.
8. Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin. Mid 3rd.
9. Brennan Williams, North Carolina. Mid 3rd.
10. David Bakhtiari, Colorado. Mid 3rd.
11. Kyle Long, Oregon. Late 3rd.
12. Menelik Watson, Florida State. Late 3rd.
13. David Quessenberry, San Jose State. Late 3rd.
14. Chris Faulk, LSU. Early 4th.
15. Xavier Nixon, Florida. Early 4th.
16. Justin Pugh, Syracuse. Early 4th.
17. Reid Fragel, Ohio State. Mid 4th.
18. Brian Winters, Kent State. Mid 4th.
19. Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Late 4th.
20. Zack Martin, Notre Dame. Mid 5th.
21. Braden Brown, BYU. Late 6th.
22. Tanner Hawkinson, Kansas. Mid 7th.


I agree for the most part. Smile

Sadly no Matthews this year.... Crying or Very sad

Not a fan of Mark Jackson?
No love for Jordan Mills either
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HyponGrey wrote:
jfinley88 wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Offensive Tackle Rankings

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M. Top 3.
2. Jake Mathews, Texas A&M. Top 10.
3. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan. Mid 1st.
4. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma. Mid 1st.
5. Dallas Thomas, Tennessee. Late 1st.
5. Oday Aboushi, Virginia. Late 2nd.
6. DJ Fluker, Alabama. Late 2nd.
8. Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin. Mid 3rd.
9. Brennan Williams, North Carolina. Mid 3rd.
10. David Bakhtiari, Colorado. Mid 3rd.
11. Kyle Long, Oregon. Late 3rd.
12. Menelik Watson, Florida State. Late 3rd.
13. David Quessenberry, San Jose State. Late 3rd.
14. Chris Faulk, LSU. Early 4th.
15. Xavier Nixon, Florida. Early 4th.
16. Justin Pugh, Syracuse. Early 4th.
17. Reid Fragel, Ohio State. Mid 4th.
18. Brian Winters, Kent State. Mid 4th.
19. Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Late 4th.
20. Zack Martin, Notre Dame. Mid 5th.
21. Braden Brown, BYU. Late 6th.
22. Tanner Hawkinson, Kansas. Mid 7th.


I agree for the most part. Smile

Sadly no Matthews this year.... Crying or Very sad

Not a fan of Mark Jackson?
No love for Jordan Mills either

This is why I post this. Now I get to look harder at Mills and look into Mark Jackson.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChaRisMa wrote:
HyponGrey wrote:
jfinley88 wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Offensive Tackle Rankings

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M. Top 3.
2. Jake Mathews, Texas A&M. Top 10.
3. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan. Mid 1st.
4. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma. Mid 1st.
5. Dallas Thomas, Tennessee. Late 1st.
5. Oday Aboushi, Virginia. Late 2nd.
6. DJ Fluker, Alabama. Late 2nd.
8. Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin. Mid 3rd.
9. Brennan Williams, North Carolina. Mid 3rd.
10. David Bakhtiari, Colorado. Mid 3rd.
11. Kyle Long, Oregon. Late 3rd.
12. Menelik Watson, Florida State. Late 3rd.
13. David Quessenberry, San Jose State. Late 3rd.
14. Chris Faulk, LSU. Early 4th.
15. Xavier Nixon, Florida. Early 4th.
16. Justin Pugh, Syracuse. Early 4th.
17. Reid Fragel, Ohio State. Mid 4th.
18. Brian Winters, Kent State. Mid 4th.
19. Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Late 4th.
20. Zack Martin, Notre Dame. Mid 5th.
21. Braden Brown, BYU. Late 6th.
22. Tanner Hawkinson, Kansas. Mid 7th.


I agree for the most part. Smile

Sadly no Matthews this year.... Crying or Very sad

Not a fan of Mark Jackson?
No love for Jordan Mills either

This is why I post this. Now I get to look harder at Mills and look into Mark Jackson.


Oh yes... have fun. You'll surely fall in love with Mark Jackson... Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChaRisMa wrote:
Offensive Tackle Rankings

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M. Top 3.
2. Jake Mathews, Texas A&M. Top 10.
3. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan. Mid 1st.
4. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma. Mid 1st.
5. Dallas Thomas, Tennessee. Late 1st.
5. Oday Aboushi, Virginia. Late 2nd.
6. DJ Fluker, Alabama. Late 2nd.
8. Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin. Mid 3rd.
9. Brennan Williams, North Carolina. Mid 3rd.
10. David Bakhtiari, Colorado. Mid 3rd.
11. Kyle Long, Oregon. Late 3rd.
12. Menelik Watson, Florida State. Late 3rd.
13. David Quessenberry, San Jose State. Late 3rd.
14. Chris Faulk, LSU. Early 4th.
15. Xavier Nixon, Florida. Early 4th.
16. Justin Pugh, Syracuse. Early 4th.
17. Reid Fragel, Ohio State. Mid 4th.
18. Brian Winters, Kent State. Mid 4th.
19. Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Late 4th.
20. Zack Martin, Notre Dame. Mid 5th.
21. Braden Brown, BYU. Late 6th.
22. Tanner Hawkinson, Kansas. Mid 7th.
I have Fisher at #1 and I like Faulk a lot more, as long as the knee checks out.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MNPackfan32 wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Offensive Tackle Rankings

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M. Top 3.
2. Jake Mathews, Texas A&M. Top 10.
3. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan. Mid 1st.
4. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma. Mid 1st.
5. Dallas Thomas, Tennessee. Late 1st.
5. Oday Aboushi, Virginia. Late 2nd.
6. DJ Fluker, Alabama. Late 2nd.
8. Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin. Mid 3rd.
9. Brennan Williams, North Carolina. Mid 3rd.
10. David Bakhtiari, Colorado. Mid 3rd.
11. Kyle Long, Oregon. Late 3rd.
12. Menelik Watson, Florida State. Late 3rd.
13. David Quessenberry, San Jose State. Late 3rd.
14. Chris Faulk, LSU. Early 4th.
15. Xavier Nixon, Florida. Early 4th.
16. Justin Pugh, Syracuse. Early 4th.
17. Reid Fragel, Ohio State. Mid 4th.
18. Brian Winters, Kent State. Mid 4th.
19. Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Late 4th.
20. Zack Martin, Notre Dame. Mid 5th.
21. Braden Brown, BYU. Late 6th.
22. Tanner Hawkinson, Kansas. Mid 7th.
I have Fisher at #1 and I like Faulk a lot more, as long as the knee checks out.


I have Fluker at #4. He has his flaws (can't handle speed well), but if he gets your pads, its over. Nasty sob too. Seems like a great fit for Pitt/SF.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Am Rodgers wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Offensive Tackle Rankings

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M. Top 3.
2. Jake Mathews, Texas A&M. Top 10.
3. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan. Mid 1st.
4. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma. Mid 1st.
5. Dallas Thomas, Tennessee. Late 1st.
5. Oday Aboushi, Virginia. Late 2nd.
6. DJ Fluker, Alabama. Late 2nd.
8. Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin. Mid 3rd.
9. Brennan Williams, North Carolina. Mid 3rd.
10. David Bakhtiari, Colorado. Mid 3rd.
11. Kyle Long, Oregon. Late 3rd.
12. Menelik Watson, Florida State. Late 3rd.
13. David Quessenberry, San Jose State. Late 3rd.
14. Chris Faulk, LSU. Early 4th.
15. Xavier Nixon, Florida. Early 4th.
16. Justin Pugh, Syracuse. Early 4th.
17. Reid Fragel, Ohio State. Mid 4th.
18. Brian Winters, Kent State. Mid 4th.
19. Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Late 4th.
20. Zack Martin, Notre Dame. Mid 5th.
21. Braden Brown, BYU. Late 6th.
22. Tanner Hawkinson, Kansas. Mid 7th.
I have Fisher at #1 and I like Faulk a lot more, as long as the knee checks out.


I have Fluker at #4. He has his flaws (can't handle speed well), but if he gets your pads, its over. Nasty sob too. Seems like a great fit for Pitt/SF.
I have Fluker at Guard on my board for that very reason. Not many pure speed rushers in the middle and Fluker is powerful enough to move those big boys in the middle.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MNPackfan32 wrote:
I Am Rodgers wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Offensive Tackle Rankings

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M. Top 3.
2. Jake Mathews, Texas A&M. Top 10.
3. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan. Mid 1st.
4. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma. Mid 1st.
5. Dallas Thomas, Tennessee. Late 1st.
5. Oday Aboushi, Virginia. Late 2nd.
6. DJ Fluker, Alabama. Late 2nd.
8. Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin. Mid 3rd.
9. Brennan Williams, North Carolina. Mid 3rd.
10. David Bakhtiari, Colorado. Mid 3rd.
11. Kyle Long, Oregon. Late 3rd.
12. Menelik Watson, Florida State. Late 3rd.
13. David Quessenberry, San Jose State. Late 3rd.
14. Chris Faulk, LSU. Early 4th.
15. Xavier Nixon, Florida. Early 4th.
16. Justin Pugh, Syracuse. Early 4th.
17. Reid Fragel, Ohio State. Mid 4th.
18. Brian Winters, Kent State. Mid 4th.
19. Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Late 4th.
20. Zack Martin, Notre Dame. Mid 5th.
21. Braden Brown, BYU. Late 6th.
22. Tanner Hawkinson, Kansas. Mid 7th.
I have Fisher at #1 and I like Faulk a lot more, as long as the knee checks out.


I have Fluker at #4. He has his flaws (can't handle speed well), but if he gets your pads, its over. Nasty sob too. Seems like a great fit for Pitt/SF.
I have Fluker at Guard on my board for that very reason. Not many pure speed rushers in the middle and Fluker is powerful enough to move those big boys in the middle.


Agree. Some team will want him at RT though. I can easily see him going first round. Either Pitt, Cinci, or another team with a power scheme. He's a monster.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Am Rodgers wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
I Am Rodgers wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Offensive Tackle Rankings

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M. Top 3.
2. Jake Mathews, Texas A&M. Top 10.
3. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan. Mid 1st.
4. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma. Mid 1st.
5. Dallas Thomas, Tennessee. Late 1st.
5. Oday Aboushi, Virginia. Late 2nd.
6. DJ Fluker, Alabama. Late 2nd.
8. Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin. Mid 3rd.
9. Brennan Williams, North Carolina. Mid 3rd.
10. David Bakhtiari, Colorado. Mid 3rd.
11. Kyle Long, Oregon. Late 3rd.
12. Menelik Watson, Florida State. Late 3rd.
13. David Quessenberry, San Jose State. Late 3rd.
14. Chris Faulk, LSU. Early 4th.
15. Xavier Nixon, Florida. Early 4th.
16. Justin Pugh, Syracuse. Early 4th.
17. Reid Fragel, Ohio State. Mid 4th.
18. Brian Winters, Kent State. Mid 4th.
19. Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Late 4th.
20. Zack Martin, Notre Dame. Mid 5th.
21. Braden Brown, BYU. Late 6th.
22. Tanner Hawkinson, Kansas. Mid 7th.
I have Fisher at #1 and I like Faulk a lot more, as long as the knee checks out.


I have Fluker at #4. He has his flaws (can't handle speed well), but if he gets your pads, its over. Nasty sob too. Seems like a great fit for Pitt/SF.
I have Fluker at Guard on my board for that very reason. Not many pure speed rushers in the middle and Fluker is powerful enough to move those big boys in the middle.


Agree. Some team will want him at RT though. I can easily see him going first round. Either Pitt, Cinci, or another team with a power scheme. He's a monster.
I agree, I think he is a better prospect than James Carpenter was and IMO a power team will like Fluker because if he fails at RT they could push him inside as a Guard. I just don't really see a place for him in Green Bay, RT, RG, and LG are locked down for a while.
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I have Fluker on there to push Bulaga to the left side. Same with Wagner and a couple others.
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I have Fluker on there to push Bulaga to the left side. Same with Wagner and a couple others.
IMO even if we had Fluker our best line would be Sherrod-Lang-EDS-Sitton-Bulaga this is still a pass first team and that is easily our best pass pro line. Let Harris have his chance behind that line while healthy before we give up on them run blocking.
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I have Fluker on there to push Bulaga to the left side. Same with Wagner and a couple others.
IMO even if we had Fluker our best line would be Sherrod-Lang-EDS-Sitton-Bulaga this is still a pass first team and that is easily our best pass pro line. Let Harris have his chance behind that line while healthy before we give up on them run blocking.


Not sure on Fluker vs Lang at LG. I may lean Fluker. Lang has some nasty to him, but Fluker is someone I feel could hold his own better vs the DTs in our division. (Fairley, Suh, Melton, etc). Maybe not as a rook, but year 2 and on.
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How is Ball a 'classic' Badgers RB? What is a classic Badgers RB?


How is he not? He plays behind an absolutely stacked OL and I think there is a very real concern on if he's a product of his line.


You made the claim that he is, so I'd like to hear why you think so.

Playing behind a similar offensive line doesn't make him a similar prospect.


I think what he's trying to get at is the fact that Wisconsin RB's have found very little success in the NFL. Here's the run-down since Dayne:

Ron Dayne was a Heisman winner, then drafted to a team that went to the Super Bowl, but didn't have the speed to become an elite NFL back.

Michael Bennett had the speed but just couldn't adjust to the NFL game and if I recall correctly, he had a fumble problem.

Anthony Davis goes to the Colts and does bupkis behind Edgerrin James and gets replaced by Joseph Addai following Edge's departure to Arizona.

Brian Calhoun went to Detroit and, once again, did nothing behind a crap O-line in Detroit.

Now you've got Monte Ball who is a finesse back with a 4.57 40(yuck) who looked horrible at the beginning of last season because his line played like crap and then he got a concussion. He can't push the line, he can't take a hit, he gets his yards by dodging players and often times gets ridden down by one tackler.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChaRisMa wrote:
Offensive Tackle Rankings

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M. Top 3.
2. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan. Mid 1st.
3. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma. Mid 1st.
4. Dallas Thomas, Tennessee. Late 1st.
5. Oday Aboushi, Virginia. Late 2nd.
6. DJ Fluker, Alabama. Late 2nd.
7. Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin. Mid 3rd.
8. Brennan Williams, North Carolina. Mid 3rd.
9. David Bakhtiari, Colorado. Mid 3rd.
10. Kyle Long, Oregon. Late 3rd.
11. Menelik Watson, Florida State. Late 3rd.
12. David Quessenberry, San Jose State. Late 3rd.
13. Chris Faulk, LSU. Early 4th.
14. Xavier Nixon, Florida. Early 4th.
15. Justin Pugh, Syracuse. Early 4th.
16. Reid Fragel, Ohio State. Mid 4th.
17. Brian Winters, Kent State. Mid 4th.
18. Jordan Mills, La. Tech. Late 4th.
19. Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff. Late 4th.
20. Zack Martin, Notre Dame. Mid 5th.
21. Mark Jackson, Glenville State. Mid 6th.
22. Braden Brown, BYU. Late 6th.
23. Tanner Hawkinson, Kansas. Mid 7th.



any one of these guys except newhouse and even d. smith
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I Am Rodgers wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
I have Fluker on there to push Bulaga to the left side. Same with Wagner and a couple others.
IMO even if we had Fluker our best line would be Sherrod-Lang-EDS-Sitton-Bulaga this is still a pass first team and that is easily our best pass pro line. Let Harris have his chance behind that line while healthy before we give up on them run blocking.


Not sure on Fluker vs Lang at LG. I may lean Fluker. Lang has some nasty to him, but Fluker is someone I feel could hold his own better vs the DTs in our division. (Fairley, Suh, Melton, etc). Maybe not as a rook, but year 2 and on.


WOW do I ever disagree. Fluker would be a RTO in this system all day long. There is just no way he could pull of some of the block fits inside in this system. Don't get me wrong, that's a damn good football player right there. Just a real bad fit outside of the RT position. Last huge OL that came out that could pull them all in fit was Big Andre a few years back. Highly doubt TT holds that kids high board though.

Also, I feel TT has done a great job of finding G's to play the matchup game in division. Those three above are going to get theirs every now and again on any of them! Very happy with the Lang/Sitton combo though. Even more so when you look at the money ties at grade. Guards are getting paid in todays NFL. Know what I mean?
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NCPackFan wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
spilltray wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
How is Ball a 'classic' Badgers RB? What is a classic Badgers RB?


How is he not? He plays behind an absolutely stacked OL and I think there is a very real concern on if he's a product of his line.


You made the claim that he is, so I'd like to hear why you think so.

Playing behind a similar offensive line doesn't make him a similar prospect.


I think what he's trying to get at is the fact that Wisconsin RB's have found very little success in the NFL. Here's the run-down since Dayne:

Ron Dayne was a Heisman winner, then drafted to a team that went to the Super Bowl, but didn't have the speed to become an elite NFL back.

Michael Bennett had the speed but just couldn't adjust to the NFL game and if I recall correctly, he had a fumble problem.

Anthony Davis goes to the Colts and does bupkis behind Edgerrin James and gets replaced by Joseph Addai following Edge's departure to Arizona.

Brian Calhoun went to Detroit and, once again, did nothing behind a crap O-line in Detroit.

Now you've got Monte Ball who is a finesse back with a 4.57 40(yuck) who looked horrible at the beginning of last season because his line played like crap and then he got a concussion. He can't push the line, he can't take a hit, he gets his yards by dodging players and often times gets ridden down by one tackler.

Lolz, you and I are not watching the same games.

Ball is not finesse, he's just very good at sifting through traffic. I've seen him run plenty of guys right over. He can definetely take a hit, I'm not even sure what you're referring to. Besides getting jumped, he's been unbelievably durable. His jump cut and vision are elite, he's good in pass pro and a very natural receiver. He doesn't have elite straight line speed. Guess who else ran a slow 40... Matt Forte, who woukd be a near ideal fit in this offense.
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