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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Man, take away Tom Moore and this is bar none the most despressing coaching staff I've seen in years. 3 of these guys were out of coaching last season....


I won't complain about the offensive staff. We're replacing Mike Miller & Russ Grimm after all...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another hire per CoachingSearch.com:

Arizona Cardinals: Sources tell me Indianapolis Colts special assistant to the head coach James Bettcher has accepted the outside linebackers job at Arizona.

http://coachingsearch.com/coaching-search-ticker.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boise&cards Fan wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
Man, take away Tom Moore and this is bar none the most despressing coaching staff I've seen in years. 3 of these guys were out of coaching last season....


I agree with this. The staff is very weak outside of Moore.


Bruce Arains
Todd Bowles
Tom Moore

these guys basically run the show. and imo thats a good base for the team.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
Man, take away Tom Moore and this is bar none the most despressing coaching staff I've seen in years. 3 of these guys were out of coaching last season....


True but who ever hears about position coaches when they are at a new job, can't always have a staff of ex coordinators and ex HC
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
Man, take away Tom Moore and this is bar none the most despressing coaching staff I've seen in years. 3 of these guys were out of coaching last season....


I won't complain about the offensive staff. We're replacing Mike Miller & Russ Grimm after all...


All I heard from Cards fans, the main one being my grandpa, when we fired Vince Tobin was "Oh we're gonna be better now that we got rid of that idiot". Then we hired David McGinnis and we all realized real quick that we weren't better off. Since that day I've found the whole addition by substraction argument to be invalid.
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stchamp98 wrote:
Man, take away Tom Moore and this is bar none the most despressing coaching staff I've seen in years. 3 of these guys were out of coaching last season....


Completely agree. I was expecting a lot more when the main argument I heard against Horton was the weak staff he had planned.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
Man, take away Tom Moore and this is bar none the most despressing coaching staff I've seen in years. 3 of these guys were out of coaching last season....


I won't complain about the offensive staff. We're replacing Mike Miller & Russ Grimm after all...


All I heard from Cards fans, the main one being my grandpa, when we fired Vince Tobin was "Oh we're gonna be better now that we got rid of that idiot". Then we hired David McGinnis and we all realized real quick that we weren't better off. Since that day I've found the whole addition by substraction argument to be invalid.


This is why these rapid changes can be rough and why continuity can be good if you've got a head coach that's learning. New head coaches have to put together a staff rapidly - so a lot of them just turn to their buddies. There was plenty of time put into due-diligence hiring BA, but very little time put into it by him hiring his staff.

He'll have plenty of time to evaluate them now though - hopefully he'll learn about them and have the cajones to refine his staff over time.
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Thanks for hiring Amos away. That dude was terrible. Good friends with Tomlin, so he wasn't about to fire the guy.

But after firing Al Everest (we still don't know why, possibly personnel issues), our ST went from good, to an abomination under Amos Jones.

Our terrible ST's are a big reason for why we finished so poorly, relative to expectations.
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Great, then again, could have been personel.

ST are hard to gauge by coaches, schemes get torn to shread with one penalty or missed block.
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Great, then again, could have been personel.

ST are hard to gauge by coaches, schemes get torn to shread with one penalty or missed block.

True. And my guess is our old ST coach was fired because he wouldn't give in on some players he wanted to be in his core ST. Tomlin sacrificed ST ability for offense and defense ability. And forced the ST to deal with a bunch of players to round out their squad who weren't capable. Everest wouldn't go along, Amos Jones would.
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@Cardschatter: That's Larry Zierlein, has coached with CLE, BUF, PIT. RT @LanceZierlein: Coach Z headed to Arizona as assistant oline coach.


Scary old man if I've ever seen one. Also, forwarded pornography to most of the league by mistake in 2007.

Welcome aboard Larry!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man this coaching staff is ancient.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should give Kurt a call and promise him Fisher and Warford.
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Mike Jurecki‏@mikejurecki

OC Harold Goodwin will be the running game coordinator & will have an asst. Oline coach RT @John_Venerable need one more line coach correct?


Interesting.
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No surprise, been the rumor for a while now.
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