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DaMike


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm probably the only one but I could see us going with Webb and Carimi as our OTs next season.
if Carimi is at OT next year, Jay should seriously hold out. The kid CAN NOT play in space. He's proven it.
I'm not saying it should happen. I've never been high on Carimi but if our scheme is about getting the ball out quickly I could see them going that route and sticking with him.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/16/tim-tebow-chicago-bears-marc-trestman/1839161/

I can't lie I'm all for this. We need a backup QB.

I also want Teo in the 1st.


Wait a minute did you just say you want Tebow and Te'o for the Bears in the same post?

Where's the common sense in that?
Not sure I understand that question?
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/16/tim-tebow-chicago-bears-marc-trestman/1839161/

I can't lie I'm all for this. We need a backup QB.

I also want Teo in the 1st.


Tebow isn't the backup QB we want. I won't argue that Tebow has no place in this league, even as QB, but he's certainly not a Trestman guy, scheme-wise.

Te'o, however, would be a great pick up for us, particularly if he falls because he's either a fraud or a clown, but a) he probably won't fall very far, and b) as soon as he goes into an "all-out fall" every single team in the league will be willing to steal him. He's a long shot.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd much rather have Ogletree or Minter over Te'o
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd much rather have Ogletree or Minter over Te'o
Yep, both fit better w/ what we want to do athletically.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaMike wrote:
topwop1 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/16/tim-tebow-chicago-bears-marc-trestman/1839161/

I can't lie I'm all for this. We need a backup QB.

I also want Teo in the 1st.


Wait a minute did you just say you want Tebow and Te'o for the Bears in the same post?

Where's the common sense in that?
Not sure I understand that question?


Umm well let's see...Tebow is not an NFL quarterback and Te'o is currently under investigation for lying about a relationship he had with a girlfriend that never existed.

He is a phenomenal talent no doubt, but you have to question his sanity. I know the whole innocent until proven guilty thing, but it's not looking good at the moment for Manti.

So my question is do you think Emery is dumb enough to consider adding these two guys to the roster given those facts?
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I don't have Ogletree on the same level as Teo and Minter. I think Teo is a much more complete player.
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topwop1 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
topwop1 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/16/tim-tebow-chicago-bears-marc-trestman/1839161/

I can't lie I'm all for this. We need a backup QB.

I also want Teo in the 1st.


Wait a minute did you just say you want Tebow and Te'o for the Bears in the same post?

Where's the common sense in that?
Not sure I understand that question?


Umm well let's see...Tebow is not an NFL quarterback and Te'o is currently under investigation for lying about a relationship he had with a girlfriend that never existed.

He is a phenomenal talent no doubt, but you have to question his sanity. I know the whole innocent until proven guilty thing, but it's not looking good at the moment for Manti.

So my question is do you think Emery is dumb enough to consider adding these two guys to the roster given those facts?
yes I think he's smart enough to do that. We need a backup QB. Our new head coach is high on Tebow and we wouldn't have to invest much if anything to get him. We need a backup who can win football games.
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I don't have Ogletree on the same level as Teo and Minter. I think Teo is a much more complete player.
I think T'eo is strictly a 3-4 ILB. He's not going to be able to run sideline to sideline in the NFL. And this is not factoring the MAJOR red flag he has right now. Either he is extremely gullible and not intelligent (not good for his draft status) or he is a manipulative liar who will do anything to get what he wants (not good for his draft status). We just saw Vontaze Burfict who was every bit the player on the field that T'eo is, and similar athletically, go undrafted b/c of his lack of personal accountability. Unless Te'o can really come up w/ some tough answers and evidence to support it, I can't see a team touching him before the 4th right now.
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Ahah Okay first of all Gamble was lost to IR this year but when healthy he proved to be 2nd only to Revis last season.
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
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I don't have Ogletree on the same level as Teo and Minter. I think Teo is a much more complete player.
I think T'eo is strictly a 3-4 ILB. He's not going to be able to run sideline to sideline in the NFL. And this is not factoring the MAJOR red flag he has right now. Either he is extremely gullible and not intelligent (not good for his draft status) or he is a manipulative liar who will do anything to get what he wants (not good for his draft status). We just saw Vontaze Burfict who was every bit the player on the field that T'eo is, and similar athletically, go undrafted b/c of his lack of personal accountability. Unless Te'o can really come up w/ some tough answers and evidence to support it, I can't see a team touching him before the 4th right now.


Yeah let’s not go overboard here…Te’o is a better player than Taze ever was…will run better than Taze did and even with this situation whatever the outcome is will still not be the headcase on the field Taze was.
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I don't have Ogletree on the same level as Teo and Minter. I think Teo is a much more complete player.
I think T'eo is strictly a 3-4 ILB. He's not going to be able to run sideline to sideline in the NFL. And this is not factoring the MAJOR red flag he has right now. Either he is extremely gullible and not intelligent (not good for his draft status) or he is a manipulative liar who will do anything to get what he wants (not good for his draft status). We just saw Vontaze Burfict who was every bit the player on the field that T'eo is, and similar athletically, go undrafted b/c of his lack of personal accountability. Unless Te'o can really come up w/ some tough answers and evidence to support it, I can't see a team touching him before the 4th right now.
How is he a better fit as a 3-4 ILB? His best fit is in a scheme similar to ours. After he lost weight his athleticism went up. He's a really good athlete with good long speed. Not elite but good enough. He makes plays sideline to sideline now. The field isn't any wider in the NFL. He's better in zone then in man.

If you think Burfict and Teo are similar you don't know what you're talking about. They're closer to polar opposites.


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Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
DaMike wrote:
I don't have Ogletree on the same level as Teo and Minter. I think Teo is a much more complete player.
I think T'eo is strictly a 3-4 ILB. He's not going to be able to run sideline to sideline in the NFL. And this is not factoring the MAJOR red flag he has right now. Either he is extremely gullible and not intelligent (not good for his draft status) or he is a manipulative liar who will do anything to get what he wants (not good for his draft status). We just saw Vontaze Burfict who was every bit the player on the field that T'eo is, and similar athletically, go undrafted b/c of his lack of personal accountability. Unless Te'o can really come up w/ some tough answers and evidence to support it, I can't see a team touching him before the 4th right now.


Yeah let’s not go overboard here…Te’o is a better player than Taze ever was…will run better than Taze did and even with this situation whatever the outcome is will still not be the headcase on the field Taze was.
Taze was an outstanding player, people forget before his senior year he was looked at as a top 5 pick. And we've seen that talent translate to the NFL this year. He's shown every bit the talent we all saw on Saturdays. Everywhere I've looked Te'o is projected to run around a 4.9, that ain't much better than Taze.
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DaMike wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
DaMike wrote:
I don't have Ogletree on the same level as Teo and Minter. I think Teo is a much more complete player.
I think T'eo is strictly a 3-4 ILB. He's not going to be able to run sideline to sideline in the NFL. And this is not factoring the MAJOR red flag he has right now. Either he is extremely gullible and not intelligent (not good for his draft status) or he is a manipulative liar who will do anything to get what he wants (not good for his draft status). We just saw Vontaze Burfict who was every bit the player on the field that T'eo is, and similar athletically, go undrafted b/c of his lack of personal accountability. Unless Te'o can really come up w/ some tough answers and evidence to support it, I can't see a team touching him before the 4th right now.
How is he a better fit as a 3-4 ILB? His best fit is in a scheme similar to ours. After he lost weight his athleticism went up. He's a really good athlete with good long speed. Not elite but good enough. He makes plays sideline to sideline now. The field isn't any wider in the NFL. He's better in zone then in man.

If you think Burfict and Teo are similar you don't know what you're talking about. They're closer to polar opposites.
As a 3-4 ILB he'll be moving downhill, not sideline to sideline. Think Ray Lewis vs. Brian Urlacher
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
DaMike wrote:
I don't have Ogletree on the same level as Teo and Minter. I think Teo is a much more complete player.
I think T'eo is strictly a 3-4 ILB. He's not going to be able to run sideline to sideline in the NFL. And this is not factoring the MAJOR red flag he has right now. Either he is extremely gullible and not intelligent (not good for his draft status) or he is a manipulative liar who will do anything to get what he wants (not good for his draft status). We just saw Vontaze Burfict who was every bit the player on the field that T'eo is, and similar athletically, go undrafted b/c of his lack of personal accountability. Unless Te'o can really come up w/ some tough answers and evidence to support it, I can't see a team touching him before the 4th right now.


Yeah let’s not go overboard here…Te’o is a better player than Taze ever was…will run better than Taze did and even with this situation whatever the outcome is will still not be the headcase on the field Taze was.
Taze was an outstanding player, people forget before his senior year he was looked at as a top 5 pick. And we've seen that talent translate to the NFL this year. He's shown every bit the talent we all saw on Saturdays. Everywhere I've looked Te'o is projected to run around a 4.9, that ain't much better than Taze.


Taze was never a potential top 5 player...1st round pick sure...top 5 no way...and Te'o will run faster than 4.9...easily.
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DaMike wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
DaMike wrote:
I don't have Ogletree on the same level as Teo and Minter. I think Teo is a much more complete player.
I think T'eo is strictly a 3-4 ILB. He's not going to be able to run sideline to sideline in the NFL. And this is not factoring the MAJOR red flag he has right now. Either he is extremely gullible and not intelligent (not good for his draft status) or he is a manipulative liar who will do anything to get what he wants (not good for his draft status). We just saw Vontaze Burfict who was every bit the player on the field that T'eo is, and similar athletically, go undrafted b/c of his lack of personal accountability. Unless Te'o can really come up w/ some tough answers and evidence to support it, I can't see a team touching him before the 4th right now.
How is he a better fit as a 3-4 ILB? His best fit is in a scheme similar to ours. After he lost weight his athleticism went up. He's a really good athlete with good long speed. Not elite but good enough. He makes plays sideline to sideline now. The field isn't any wider in the NFL. He's better in zone then in man.

He's average athletically and he does not have sideline to sideline range.
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