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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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McCoy as an OC was frustrating, at times. However, I'm in the camp that believes he will make a fine HC. He is articulate and is not so stubborn as to force players to fit in a "system". He fits his system around what his players can do. He was a very good hire


Also not going to be the playcaller, which could be nice. Obviously will heavily influence it, but still.
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Bad move, why hire this guy when Lovie Smith was still available on the open market? This team needs defense and an offensive line. The Chargers have enough pieces elsewhere to where they can contend again next year...


You are thinking of the 2011 Chargers, the 2012 Chargers actually have a young up-in-coming defense.

The offense, particularly the offensive line sucks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is the first time I Charger story has been at the top of the News Forum. I like this relevant feeling, even if it is just because we hired a new coach to try to fix the mess our last one landed us in.
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Well this was expected, and wanted by most fans. He wasn't quite as bad as McDaniels, but his conservative and questionable play calling had me pulling out my hair at times. I think it's good for the Broncos though. We will get a better OC to replace him.
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Well this was expected, and wanted by most fans. He wasn't quite as bad as McDaniels, but his conservative and questionable play calling had me pulling out my hair at times. I think it's good for the Broncos though. We will get a better OC to replace him.


I doubt it matters who you hire since Peyton essentially runs the O.
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Well this was expected, and wanted by most fans. He wasn't quite as bad as McDaniels, but his conservative and questionable play calling had me pulling out my hair at times. I think it's good for the Broncos though. We will get a better OC to replace him.


I doubt it matters who you hire since Peyton essentially runs the O.


Ehh yes and no. He does, but he's made it clear he wants to learn things from other OCs. Also, whoever we hire will have a hand in the development of Brock Osweiler.
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JammerHammer21 wrote:
Twizlers wrote:
Well this was expected, and wanted by most fans. He wasn't quite as bad as McDaniels, but his conservative and questionable play calling had me pulling out my hair at times. I think it's good for the Broncos though. We will get a better OC to replace him.


I doubt it matters who you hire since Peyton essentially runs the O.


Ehh yes and no. He does, but he's made it clear he wants to learn things from other OCs. Also, whoever we hire will have a hand in the development of Brock Osweiler.


Poor Osweiler. Got to follow the steps of a guy who is one of the greatest ever and he's not Andrew Luck. Laughing
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McCoy made Tebow successful with his limited abilities. I'm sure he can get Rivers back on track if we can get a O line to protect him.
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As the start of the new year McCoy was the guy I wanted the most. Nice hire, let's see who he hires.
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No one likes their offensive coordinator. If you didn't like McCoy, I guarantee you won't like your new one.


People keep saying this but why then do I like our DC? Both coordinate a unit, so where is the difference?

The difference is that the offensive unit has a leader, the QB, and assuming that he hasn't fallen out of favor with the fans, many of them believe that the OC is undermining him with the play-calling. Plus, fans tend to be more invested with the offensive skill players, are are probably more willing to shield them from blame by throwing the OC under the bus.

That's pretty well put. I think it'd make an interesting psychoanalysis, but you probably got it pretty close.

In any case, i would put my entire retirement fund on the bet that more fans like their defensive coordinator than their offensive coordinator. In the cinci forum, everyone loves Mike Zimmer but most are ready to throw Jay Gruden under the bus even though most fans around the NFL would agree that the Bengals are over-matched personnel wise on offense. Doesn't stop the Bengals fans from thinking that Gruden is holding Dalton and the offense back.


That is indeed an interesting take!

I'd also include the fact that the offense by nature is proactive whereas the defense is reactive, hence in a degree constrained playcalling-wise by what the opposing offense does. That perhaps also explains why the general fan usually calls for the OC's head if things go wrong since he presumably could have done better by the nature of his position.

I am not the general fan, however. I have to refer to my original statement. There are various OCs I'd prefer to have in Denver. Whisenhunt, for that matter, is one of those which makes me follow the Eagles HC very closely. Add the previous OCs I mentioned and you can see that I do not simply scapegoat McCoy for the deficiencies of Denver's offense. I am quite aware of the lack of talent of some of our starters. It is that I questioned McCoy's timid and unimaginative playcalling at times which makes me relieved to see him gone.
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^ to add to all of that, it's much easier to discern the play calling on the offensive side as well. Every offensive play, you get an idea of what's going on. On the defensive side, most aren't going to see what's happening other than blitz vs coverage and if a player is out of position to make a tackle unless the commentators point out what's going on. I mean aside from "doesn't blitz enough" or "blitzes too much," how often do you really hear any criticisms?

The defensive lapses often look more player oriented than play calling oriented as a result.
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Not a great hire on paper.

The only reason he became at all notable is because of Peyton Manning.

BUT, ya never know. He could be a great HC. Only time will tell, but definitely the most overrated candidate out there.
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FourThreeMafia wrote:
Not a great hire on paper.

The only reason he became at all notable is because of Peyton Manning.

BUT, ya never know. He could be a great HC. Only time will tell, but definitely the most overrated candidate out there.


Except he was a hot candidate last year........
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FourThreeMafia wrote:
Not a great hire on paper.

The only reason he became at all notable is because of Peyton Manning.

BUT, ya never know. He could be a great HC. Only time will tell, but definitely the most overrated candidate out there.


Except he was a hot candidate last year........


Yeah I mean he put the Tebow offense together.

I think he is a good guy and wish him success. It's gonna be sad not seeing Norv in that pansy blue Crying or Very sad

People call out his "conservative" playcalling, but a lot of the third down runs that ticked people off were Peyton audibles...he is definitely somewhat conservative, but I think that is a little overplayed. He is clearly very adaptable to personnel.
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game3525 wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
Not a great hire on paper.

The only reason he became at all notable is because of Peyton Manning.

BUT, ya never know. He could be a great HC. Only time will tell, but definitely the most overrated candidate out there.


Except he was a hot candidate last year........


Not really. He may have been on the radar, but wasnt "hot" until this year.
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