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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I'm wondering if Monte is going to remain Chip's female dog or if he'll figure out how to slow his offense down finally.
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So I'm wondering if Monte is going to remain Chip's female dog or if he'll figure out how to slow his offense down finally.


Monte will destroy Chip. That offense will not have sustained success at the NFL level. They will have to find 2 QB's to run it. Foles will likely be traded, because he can't run that offense. So, if they keep Vick, who is backing him up? Tebow? OMG, I hope that happens!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So I'm wondering if Monte is going to remain Chip's female dog or if he'll figure out how to slow his offense down finally.


Monte will destroy Chip. That offense will not have sustained success at the NFL level. They will have to find 2 QB's to run it. Foles will likely be traded, because he can't run that offense. So, if they keep Vick, who is backing him up? Tebow? OMG, I hope that happens!


Patriots employed a strong emphasis of Kelly's offense and rode it to the AFCC. Atleast 4 teams are currently running a large amount of read-option based offense and while it may get figured out and shutdown like the Wildcat, it may not. Granted not everyone can find a Russell Wilson or a RGIII but nobody really saw RW as a great threat either and look at him now.
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Redskins defensive backs coach Raheem Morris will interview Friday with the Cleveland Browns for their defensive coordinator job.


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MaddHatter wrote:
htfryar wrote:
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So I'm wondering if Monte is going to remain Chip's female dog or if he'll figure out how to slow his offense down finally.


Monte will destroy Chip. That offense will not have sustained success at the NFL level. They will have to find 2 QB's to run it. Foles will likely be traded, because he can't run that offense. So, if they keep Vick, who is backing him up? Tebow? OMG, I hope that happens!


Patriots employed a strong emphasis of Kelly's offense and rode it to the AFCC. Atleast 4 teams are currently running a large amount of read-option based offense and while it may get figured out and shutdown like the Wildcat, it may not. Granted not everyone can find a Russell Wilson or a RGIII but nobody really saw RW as a great threat either and look at him now.


And don't forget Kaepernick and Newton. Then there are several QBs entering the NFL over the next two years that are mobile and can run, such as Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Johnny Manziel, etc.

And I don't think the read-option offence will be solved like the Wildcat. The Wildcat was a run-only offence and there were only two options - an inside handoff or the RB keeping the ball and running on the edge. It's easy to defend.

But in the read-option, there are several options - a handoff to the FB, a handoff to the RB, a pitch to the RB, QB keeps and runs, the QB keeps and throws, or the QB rolls out to create a run-pass option.

To stop it, defences need excellent secondary and LB play, specifically being able to cover man-to-man and with no safety help. Safeties would then drop into the box to take away lanes. But in this day and age of complex passing offences, huge WRs, and athletic TEs, it's virtually impossible to drop both safeties into the box.
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@KING_in_MEMPHIS: @BryanBroaddus will Cowboys hold on to Miles Austin. Let Ogletree walk. Yes I believe they keep Austin and let KO walk


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MAJOR NEWS ANNOUNCEMENT!

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@KING_in_MEMPHIS: @BryanBroaddus will Cowboys hold on to Miles Austin. Let Ogletree walk. Yes I believe they keep Austin and let KO walk


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MaddHatter wrote:
htfryar wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
So I'm wondering if Monte is going to remain Chip's female dog or if he'll figure out how to slow his offense down finally.


Monte will destroy Chip. That offense will not have sustained success at the NFL level. They will have to find 2 QB's to run it. Foles will likely be traded, because he can't run that offense. So, if they keep Vick, who is backing him up? Tebow? OMG, I hope that happens!


Patriots employed a strong emphasis of Kelly's offense and rode it to the AFCC. Atleast 4 teams are currently running a large amount of read-option based offense and while it may get figured out and shutdown like the Wildcat, it may not. Granted not everyone can find a Russell Wilson or a RGIII but nobody really saw RW as a great threat either and look at him now.


And don't forget Kaepernick and Newton. Then there are several QBs entering the NFL over the next two years that are mobile and can run, such as Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Johnny Manziel, etc.

And I don't think the read-option offence will be solved like the Wildcat. The Wildcat was a run-only offence and there were only two options - an inside handoff or the RB keeping the ball and running on the edge. It's easy to defend.

But in the read-option, there are several options - a handoff to the FB, a handoff to the RB, a pitch to the RB, QB keeps and runs, the QB keeps and throws, or the QB rolls out to create a run-pass option.

To stop it, defences need excellent secondary and LB play, specifically being able to cover man-to-man and with no safety help. Safeties would then drop into the box to take away lanes. But in this day and age of complex passing offences, huge WRs, and athletic TEs, it's virtually impossible to drop both safeties into the box.


Star it can be stopped. Ware took the wrong approach vs the Skins. How many times did we not see a blocker on Ware and he just stood there ? Ryan should have had Ware blitzing when there wasn't a blocker on him and he should have hit the qb and rb at the same time. It disrupts every thing even if he doesn't make the tackle. Even if the qb keeps the ball and runs to Ware's side he will have to loop back to get around him which allows the lb's or db's to come up and tackle him.

There seemed to be a lot of read and react in Ryans d. That was one of my main issues with his d. In the 4-3 Ware will be moving forward every play.
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Jacksonville Jaguars officially have hired Gus Bradley to become the fifth head coach in franchise history.


Nice hire for Jags. Begs the question though, where has Mike Mularkey gone?
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Star it can be stopped. Ware took the wrong approach vs the Skins. How many times did we not see a blocker on Ware and he just stood there ? Ryan should have had Ware blitzing when there wasn't a blocker on him and he should have hit the qb and rb at the same time. It disrupts every thing even if he doesn't make the tackle. Even if the qb keeps the ball and runs to Ware's side he will have to loop back to get around him which allows the lb's or db's to come up and tackle him.

There seemed to be a lot of read and react in Ryans d. That was one of my main issues with his d. In the 4-3 Ware will be moving forward every play.


I'm not saying that the read-option is unstoppable. Rather, I'm saying it's not going to fall by the wayside like the Wildcat because the read-option has many more options available. And as MH pointed out, there are other ways to incorporate the read-option into an offensive game plan, which teams like NE and Green Bay have done.
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Jacksonville Jaguars officially have hired Gus Bradley to become the fifth head coach in franchise history.


Nice hire for Jags. Begs the question though, where has Mike Mularkey gone?


He better be in Valley Ranch interviewing for hte OC position
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WizardHawk wrote:
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Jacksonville Jaguars officially have hired Gus Bradley to become the fifth head coach in franchise history.


Nice hire for Jags. Begs the question though, where has Mike Mularkey gone?


He better be in Valley Ranch interviewing for hte OC position


My thoughts exactly. I wonder if this is one of those situations like Lovie Smith's. He is stilled owed money so he is going to take a year off,relax and recharge.
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From 1966-95, the Cowboys played in 18 conference title games. In the 17 years since, zero. To recap: 18 in 30 yrs. followed by 0 in 17 yrs.


That's both impressive the sheer amount of success we had early on and equally disparaging how little we have had as of late.


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Multiple media outlets are reporting that Kelly, who officially left Oregon Wednesday for the Philadelphia Eagles, is interested in Georgia defensive coordinator Todd Grantham for the same position with the NFL club. In fact, a CSNPhilly.com report from Wednesday evening hints that Grantham is the front-runner for the job.


http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/17/nfl-teams-eyeing-pair-of-sec-east-defensive-coordinators/

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Star it can be stopped. Ware took the wrong approach vs the Skins. How many times did we not see a blocker on Ware and he just stood there ? Ryan should have had Ware blitzing when there wasn't a blocker on him and he should have hit the qb and rb at the same time. It disrupts every thing even if he doesn't make the tackle. Even if the qb keeps the ball and runs to Ware's side he will have to loop back to get around him which allows the lb's or db's to come up and tackle him.

There seemed to be a lot of read and react in Ryans d. That was one of my main issues with his d. In the 4-3 Ware will be moving forward every play.


I'm not saying that the read-option is unstoppable. Rather, I'm saying it's not going to fall by the wayside like the Wildcat because the read-option has many more options available. And as MH pointed out, there are other ways to incorporate the read-option into an offensive game plan, which teams like NE and Green Bay have done.


The Pats don't run a read option at all in the run formation and neither does Green Bay. Green Bay uses Cobb with some misdirection short passes which is the closest thing to Kelly doing with Mariotta and Barner. The Pats put Welker in the slot and throw him short passes hoping he can break one. Technically any time you have 2 backs in to protect the qb on passing downs when he is in a shotgun formation it could be called a read option. Landry used variations with Dorsett because Dorsett was so good on draw plays with Staubach in the shotgun.

Fans think all of this stuff is new. A two back pistol set is the old wing t formation. That is what the Skins do a lot of. The Niners run it a little different. The Niners run a veer pistol. The veer offense is one of the most basic of all offenses. In the nfl though it's imperative that you have a stud rb. Lynch, Gore and Morris are studs.

EDIT : To combat the Niners version I think you will see more delayed blitz packages next season . In their offense the wr's aren't running shallow crossing patterns.
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