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Matts4313
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 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:13 am Post subject: ****Breaking News*** Kelly to Eagles!! |
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| GOGRIESE wrote: | Chris Mortensen @mortreport
Chip Kelly is the new coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, according to league sources. No announcement yet.
https://twitter.com/mortreport |
| Matts4313 wrote: | | Quote: | #eagles HC situation is crazy. Source just told me Gus Bradley coming to Phila to finalist deal. Think eag could have coach in 24 hrs. Crazy
— Howard Eskin (@howardeskin) January 15, 2013 |
Not confirmed, would be a decent hire if he can get a good staff together. |
| Quote: | With the benefit of hindsight, it's obvious a key part of this difference is a return to a 4-3. But I believe there's more to the Rob-Monte switcheroo than a front seven re-deployment. Let's look at some of the things that weren't working with Dallas' defense in 2012, and how Kiffin and his scheme might offer an improvement:
The Cowboys' best pass rushers need to be rushing the passer, not dropping into coverage: In the 3-4 system, as we all know, the primary pass rushers are the two outside linebackers. This is problematic, however, as opposing offensive coordinators can find ways to scheme players like DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer into coverage - usually by placing multiple receiving threats on one side of the formation.
In 2012, Ware played 896 snaps against passes and was asked to drop into coverage 64 times (seven percent of the time). Spencer went into coverage almost 20 percent of the time (172 out of 872 passing plays). 4-3 defensive ends, on the other hand, almost never drop into coverage (Ware was in coverage once all season from a 4-3 DE position). In other words, in a passing league in which defensive priority one must be to put pressure on a quarterback, a scheme in which the players who are most likely to do that can't be in position to do so is, frankly, suicide.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013/1/14/3876134/why-cowboys-had-to-replace-rob-ryan-part-i-what-wasnt-working |
From another site; second hand information from Mike Fisher:
| Quote: | Said that Callahan wants to call plays but nobody has really ever asked him to. Said he's probably the leader in the clubhouse.
Said Norv was never in there plan. Said it would be too awkward.
Said the USC LB coach is coming here as LB coach. Said Eberflus would most likely join Ryan at Rams.
Said Jerome Henderson has a fantastic interview and is most likely back as secondary coach.
Said Wes Phillips is awesome and the staff loves him. He can coach QB's, Oline, etc. they really like him a lot.
Said Jimmy Robinson might be given a deal where he can retire. (Very interesting if you ask me).
Said deal on JOHN Garrett is Jerry is still ticked about not developing Bennett.
Said that they love Sparano at VR and there is a chance he chance he's back in some capacity.
expect all of these changes to be complete in the next 4 days because they want there staff complete for the Senior Bowl. |
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ThePlaymaker86
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:51 am Post subject: |
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I would hate to lose Jimmy Robinson, he's great for Dez and the rest of our young WR's.
I don't think it's fair to blame John Garrett for Bennett not producing here. Jerry should blame himself for taking him in the 2nd rd. |
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DKDALfan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| God i would hate to see Eberflus go. But I would be glad to retain Henderson. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Eagles new HC, Ryan, Rumors |
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| Matts4313 wrote: | | Matts4313 wrote: | | Quote: | #eagles HC situation is crazy. Source just told me Gus Bradley coming to Phila to finalist deal. Think eag could have coach in 24 hrs. Crazy
— Howard Eskin (@howardeskin) January 15, 2013 |
Not confirmed, would be a decent hire if he can get a good staff together. |
| Quote: | With the benefit of hindsight, it's obvious a key part of this difference is a return to a 4-3. But I believe there's more to the Rob-Monte switcheroo than a front seven re-deployment. Let's look at some of the things that weren't working with Dallas' defense in 2012, and how Kiffin and his scheme might offer an improvement:
The Cowboys' best pass rushers need to be rushing the passer, not dropping into coverage: In the 3-4 system, as we all know, the primary pass rushers are the two outside linebackers. This is problematic, however, as opposing offensive coordinators can find ways to scheme players like DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer into coverage - usually by placing multiple receiving threats on one side of the formation.
In 2012, Ware played 896 snaps against passes and was asked to drop into coverage 64 times (seven percent of the time). Spencer went into coverage almost 20 percent of the time (172 out of 872 passing plays). 4-3 defensive ends, on the other hand, almost never drop into coverage (Ware was in coverage once all season from a 4-3 DE position). In other words, in a passing league in which defensive priority one must be to put pressure on a quarterback, a scheme in which the players who are most likely to do that can't be in position to do so is, frankly, suicide.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013/1/14/3876134/why-cowboys-had-to-replace-rob-ryan-part-i-what-wasnt-working |
From another site; second hand information from Mike Fisher:
| Quote: | Said that Callahan wants to call plays but nobody has really ever asked him to. Said he's probably the leader in the clubhouse.
Said Norv was never in there plan. Said it would be too awkward.
Said the USC LB coach is coming here as LB coach. Said Eberflus would most likely join Ryan at Rams.
Said Jerome Henderson has a fantastic interview and is most likely back as secondary coach.
Said Wes Phillips is awesome and the staff loves him. He can coach QB's, Oline, etc. they really like him a lot.
Said Jimmy Robinson might be given a deal where he can retire. (Very interesting if you ask me).
Said deal on JOHN Garrett is Jerry is still ticked about not developing Bennett.
Said that they love Sparano at VR and there is a chance he chance he's back in some capacity.
expect all of these changes to be complete in the next 4 days because they want there staff complete for the Senior Bowl. |
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....and both sides of the ball sucked huge. The special teams play was just as bad vs Seattle and Joe D keeps his job. If Ryan was fired for sub par performance then Joe should have walked out right beside him. The oc...well him too. And on it goes.
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matt79511
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:36 am Post subject: |
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What, no, not Robinson. The only assistant coach I give a poop about. He seems great.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Eagles new HC, Ryan, Rumors |
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You know, I was on the Robinson train for a while. But can anyone deny the sheer level of frustration over the lack of route understanding by our WR's? I can think of no position that needs as much hand-holding during the game than WR. I am not so sure if keeping Robinson is indeed a positive. This may be a Hudson Houck situation. Great coach that no longer seems able to yield results.
| Football Mensa wrote: | | ....and both sides of the ball sucked huge. The special teams play was just as bad vs Seattle and Joe D keeps his job. If Ryan was fired for sub par performance then Joe should have walked out right beside him. The oc...well him too. And on it goes. |
Given that Coach Joe has been in contention for a Head Coaching job, there was no way Dallas would fire him before other teams made their decisions. That would have been incredibly petty and crude.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Eagles new HC, Ryan, Rumors |
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | You know, I was on the Robinson train for a while. But can anyone deny the sheer level of frustration over the lack of route understanding by our WR's? I can think of no position that needs as much hand-holding during the game than WR. I am not so sure if keeping Robinson is indeed a positive. This may be a Hudson Houck situation. Great coach that no longer seems able to yield results.
| Football Mensa wrote: | | ....and both sides of the ball sucked huge. The special teams play was just as bad vs Seattle and Joe D keeps his job. If Ryan was fired for sub par performance then Joe should have walked out right beside him. The oc...well him too. And on it goes. |
Given that Coach Joe has been in contention for a Head Coaching job, there was no way Dallas would fire him before other teams made their decisions. That would have been incredibly petty and crude. |
He was able to get the most out of Laurent Robinson and Harris really came on strong toward the end of the season, I'd really hate to lose him.
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Texas_OutLaw7
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Eagles new HC, Ryan, Rumors |
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| Desperado82 wrote: | | He was able to get the most out of Laurent Robinson and Harris really came on strong toward the end of the season, I'd really hate to lose him. |
From Dallas
Positives:
-Dez Finally Developing
-Robinson being a great #3 (Although, I think Romo deserves credit for broken play magic).
-Harris/Beasley being somewhat effective.
-Miles going from UDFA to #1 and then #2 WR.
Negatives:
After all these years, I still see Romo have to explain in-game situations what they should be doing.
Let's just say, I am open to the idea he doesn't walk on water.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
| Quote: | | Chargers are nearing a deal to make Mike McCoy their head coach. Looks like it will be finalized today. More ahead @CBSSports |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Eagles new HC, Ryan, Rumors |
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | You know, I was on the Robinson train for a while. But can anyone deny the sheer level of frustration over the lack of route understanding by our WR's? I can think of no position that needs as much hand-holding during the game than WR. I am not so sure if keeping Robinson is indeed a positive. This may be a Hudson Houck situation. Great coach that no longer seems able to yield results.
| Football Mensa wrote: | | ....and both sides of the ball sucked huge. The special teams play was just as bad vs Seattle and Joe D keeps his job. If Ryan was fired for sub par performance then Joe should have walked out right beside him. The oc...well him too. And on it goes. |
Given that Coach Joe has been in contention for a Head Coaching job, there was no way Dallas would fire him before other teams made their decisions. That would have been incredibly petty and crude. |
Sure last year and the beginning of this year Dez was running the wrong routes and didnt know where he had to be, but its Dez---i think we can all agree he isnt very smart. Im not sure who got in Dez's head the second half of this season, but he wasnt making mistakes like that anymore.
Other guys that Robinson could receive credit for: Laurent Robinson last year, Dwayne Harris' development was incredible---many people didnt think he would make the team this year, cole beasley--not sure if he deserves much with him or not, but he did seem to improve a bit.
The second half of the season there were minimal mistakes by our wide receivers, and even when there are a coach can only do so much. Especially a position coach such as Robinson. In the end it is up to the players. I personally want Robinson to be around a couple more years and see how other receivers develop before we get rid of him. |
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Texas_OutLaw7
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Matts, I just checked Fisher's twitter. He makes no mention of any of the information presented. Where did Fisher say this? [I know you said another site - but I meant where did they get this info?]
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Would wager we now see Ray Horton as head coach of #Cardinals. Was believed AZ's top choice = Mike McCoy. Top fallback = Horton. |
Seems like Chicago and Jacksonville are the only two left. And Chicago is in the final process. I am shocked Lovie didn't land on his feet.
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | Matts, I just checked Fisher's twitter. He makes no mention of any of the information presented. Where did Fisher say this? [I know you said another site - but I meant where did they get this info?] |
He stated all this on the radio yesterday around 5:00, because i heard it also driving home from work yesterday.
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Matts4313
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| Quote: | According to Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune, Toub is “definitely,” leaving the Bears, and is expected to take a lateral move to the Chiefs though no announcement has been made on that front.
Toub also interviewed with the Panthers for a special teams job, but is thought to be leaning toward joining Andy Reid instead. Reid gave Toub his first NFL job in Philadelphia, and the two worked together in the college ranks as well
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/15/toub-on-his-way-out-of-chicago-after-head-coach-interview/
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Eagles new HC, Ryan, Rumors |
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[quote="Texas_OutLaw7"]You know, I was on the Robinson train for a while. But can anyone deny the sheer level of frustration over the lack of route understanding by our WR's? I can think of no position that needs as much hand-holding during the game than WR. I am not so sure if keeping Robinson is indeed a positive. This may be a Hudson Houck situation. Great coach that no longer seems able to yield results.
| Football Mensa wrote: | | ....and both sides of the ball sucked huge. The special teams play was just as bad vs Seattle and Joe D keeps his job. If Ryan was fired for sub par performance then Joe should have walked out right beside him. The oc...well him too. And on it goes. |
Given that Coach Joe has been in contention for a Head Coaching job, there was no way Dallas would fire him before other teams made their decisions. That would have been incredibly petty and crude.[/quote]
Wouldn't be petty at all. It's business just like with Ryan. One of Jerry's problems is loyalty. Joe should have in fact been fired immediately following the Hawks game.
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