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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KC, I was going to ask about whether or not this included the CAP friendly Bowe number this year. Then I read your last sentence. I was really hopeful that we'd get some more wiggle room. The nice thing is, and I'm almost certain you posted this, that next year Tamba's contract counts something like 6 million less against the cap?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DT58_lives_on wrote:
KC, I was going to ask about whether or not this included the CAP friendly Bowe number this year. Then I read your last sentence. I was really hopeful that we'd get some more wiggle room. The nice thing is, and I'm almost certain you posted this, that next year Tamba's contract counts something like 6 million less against the cap?


Depending on which website you believe 4-6 M$ - but Bowe's goes up by 6 M$, Berry's by 1.5 M$, and so on. The Chiefs won't have any rollover (14 M$ this year) and thus will be approx. 15 M$ OVER the cap after the season - unless the allocated cap explodes.
Well, Albert comes off the books - that saves 10 M$ - but leaves a gaping hole at LT.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KC yeah, I think if we don't extent Albert, we are really playing the let's see what Stephenson develops into game right now. I certainly don't see us tagging him again. I'm also, really hopeful that Smith will come in, maybe extend to a 3rd year, and give us some cap relief. Not that 9 million for a starting QB is a super high salary or anything.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooopss .. forgot one element:

The 12 M$ dead money won't be a factor next year - thus the Chiefs will only be THREE M$ OVER the cap ... sorry for the confusion.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

where do we stand with the new jackson deal? How much cap room?
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can we afford greg jennings and keenan lewis?
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can we afford greg jennings and keenan lewis?


They maxxed it out. May have to find options to even re-sign their own guys. No big fish in FA - isn't Dorsey's way anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scanned the roster for options to save some cap without putting an additional strain on the 2014 numbers. Relasing two guys with limited impact might help some. Numbers behind each name are: current cap/dead money if released/2013 gross savings/2013 net savings. None of the moves would impact on the 2014 cap:

Studebaker (2055 k$/0 k$/2055 k$/1565 k$)
Copper (915 k$/50 k$/865 k$/385 K$)

The net savings area bout 480 k$ less per players, as other players (with a lower salary) would count against the cap instead. That's the reason why releasing other players I originally thought about (Gray, Powe) doesn't make sense under a cap aspect.

In Studebaker's case re-negotiating/extending may be an option, however, that would provide less relief in 2013 and impact the 2014 cap situation.

Other than that only re-negotiating contracts will help, with Berry, Flowers, and Hali being the top of the list.
Trading off Albert also would help (and make a lot of sense from a cap perspective) as he would not create any cap hit in that case.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KC_Guy wrote:
Trading off Albert also would help (and make a lot of sense from a cap perspective) as he would not create any cap hit in that case.

That's a big 10-4. I am now almost expecting us to move Albert. Probably won't happen until a few weeks before the draft though, after UFA has played out, and some team is left out of a decent vet, and is low enough in the first to not believe they can get a rookie good enough.

I'm thinking Chicago (Emery would be familiar with him, and they definitely have the need).
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I'm thinking Chicago (Emery would be familiar with him, and they definitely have the need).


I think Chicago is gonna go hard for one of the FA, let's just hope they don't get him. Not that I want to move Albert. Then we're back to adding a LT...because. I'd rather see us clear cap room and extend him, but that is just me.
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DT58_lives_on wrote:
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I'm thinking Chicago (Emery would be familiar with him, and they definitely have the need).


I think Chicago is gonna go hard for one of the FA, let's just hope they don't get him. Not that I want to move Albert. Then we're back to adding a LT...because. I'd rather see us clear cap room and extend him, but that is just me.


DT,
I think the wildcard could be Donald Stephenson. He was raw coming out of Oklahoma and IIRC, had some character concerns that caused him to likely drop to the third round but he definitely blew up the comine so the raw physical talent is definitely there.

Height : 6054
Weight : 312 lbs.
Arm length : 34-7/8"
Hand size : 9-7/8"
40 yard dash : 4.94
20 yard dash : 2.83
10 yard dash : 1.68
225 lb. bench press reps : 19
Vertical jump : 35-1/2"
Broad jump : 9'-6"
20 yard shuttle : 4.78
3 cone drill : 7.52

Obviously raw measurables are not the complete story, but the physical foundation is there. His biggest knocks (besides some of the character flags) were his inexperience and the need to improve strength.

He has had a full season of being in an NFL weight training and strength program not to mention a year of receiving coaching on the fundamentals and technique associated with the position. I can't speak to the type of veteran impact that Eric Winston brings, but he could have provided some help to Stephenson as Winston is largely known as being a technically sound offensive tackle as opposed to a physically dominant one.

It all comes down to if this regime is willing to take the "risk" of trading a "known" quantity in Albert for a relatively "unknown" quanity at this point in Stephenson. If Stephenson is ready, we could save a significant amount of salary by riding ourselves of the OL franchise tag.

Just a thought on Stephenson as a wildcard.

Yeah, it is hard for me to justify trading a known like Albert and spending a premium pick on a replacement.
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Here is another thing to consider. Many times, the number 1 pick is signed before the draft. If we're trying to trade out, which I think everyone at least assumes we'll try, then maybe we don't take those steps. Especially because of the contract brackets now in place.

Here is what I envision,

If we trade Albert for less than a 2, I'll be upset. BUT I don't see that happening until the draft. Because to move the first overall pick, we need to appear to have all options on the table. UNLESS of course, our FO truly thinks we can roll with Stephenson. Even then however, I think the assumption would be we're going LT.

Again, we need to see the Geno is really impressing us angle. Hard, like talk about contracts etc.
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Player Cap Figure
Tamba Hali $15,500,000
Eric Berry $10,211,700
Brandon Albert $9,828,000
Matt Cassel $9,825,000
Brandon Flowers $9,600,000
Alex Smith $8,500,000
Eric Winston $7,000,000
Tyson Jackson $5,200,000
Jamaal Charles $4,333,333
Dwayne Bowe $4,000,000
Derrick Johnson $3,500,000
Dontari Poe $2,572,728
Ryan Succop $2,400,000
Jonathan Baldwin $2,059,528
Andy Studebaker $2,055,000
Jon Asamoah $1,551,030
Tony Moeaki $1,494,662
Dexter McCluster $1,400,000
Kendrick Lewis $1,374,725
Jeff Allen $1,055,415
Javier Arenas $1,003,750
Rodney Hudson $956,209
Terrance Copper $915,000
Justin Houston $747,812
Allen Bailey $718,986
Daniel Muir $715,000
Husain Abdullah $715,000
Jalil Brown $682,325
Donald Stephenson $664,375
Cory Greenwood $656,250
Ricky Stanzi $619,763
Devon Wylie $613,850
Jerrell Powe $583,170
Mardy Gilyard $555,000
Anthony Toribio $555,000
Cyrus Gray $506,918
Junior Hemingway $480,000
Jamar Newsome $480,000
Patrick DiMarco $480,000
Ryan Durand $480,000
Nate Eachus $480,000
Neiko Thorpe $480,000
Shaun Draughn $480,000
Josh Bellamy $480,000
Tysyn Hartman $480,000
Rich Ranglin $480,000
De'Quan Menzie $464,613
Steven Baker $405,000
Alex Tanney $405,000
Dustin Waldron $405,000
Matt Szymanski $405,000

Here is a listing of the top 51 contracts for the Chiefs as of right now. I don't have the details for the Dustin Colquitt contract yet and what his total 2013 cap charge is yet so he would bump Matt Szymanski from the list.

I also read that Tyson Jackson can earn a total of $5,200,000 in 2013.

The total amount for the players listed above is $121,554,142 and that includes players like Matt Cassel, Andy Studebaker, and Terrance Copper. This also doesn't take into account the money saved from cutting Kevin Boss and Steve Breaston or any of the reported $14,000,000 we have in 2012 cap rollover.

According to these numbers, cutting Cassel and Studebaker would save us an additional $11,880,000.

Thoughts on the numbers? Does this look right?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's if Jackson meets all of his incentives which probably isn't all that likely. Cassel leaving will clear like 5 more, maybe more if he's traded. Gotta think Stud will be cut or his deal will be changed. May also get deal done with Brandon that lowers his salary for this season
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt Cassel $9,825,000
Eric Winston $7,000,000
Derrick Johnson $3,500,000
Andy Studebaker $2,055,000


If they were going to make any cuts, the Top 2 are the most logical to me. Followed by Studebaker. I don't see them cutting Johnson but the only reason I have him listed here is his age (30). He provides Leadership and still plays at a very high level. Honestly, of the rest of the list, I don't think they'd make any cuts. I cannot imagine that they will not cut or trade Matt Cassell.
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