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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:50 am    Post subject: 2013 Senior bowl Reply with quote

I figure we could use a thread for the senior bowl talk.

Also, after a lot of extensive research, I think I figured out the most telling stat for "athleticism" when it comes to a qb's ability to elude passers (not just straight line speed, but the ability to move in the pocket fluidly and avoid rushers)

The 3 cone drill. Yup, thats right. This shows the ability to change direction and step up, side to side and back to avoid a hit, or sack. I will be paying attention to this at the combine, just thought Id share it here.

What is Matt Schaubs, you say? 7.65 I have yet to find a starting qb who is worse than him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brady and Manning are both horrible runners as well. Last night Brady pulled a Schuab on 4th down

im looking forward to the Senior Bowl this year. Lots of top rated QBs playing, too bad they are all on the same team
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pastor Dillon wrote:
Brady and Manning are both horrible runners as well. Last night Brady pulled a Schuab on 4th down

im looking forward to the Senior Bowl this year. Lots of top rated QBs playing, too bad they are all on the same team


there are 6 big time qbs we could be interested in


Ryan Nassib, Mike Glennon, Zac Dysert, Tyler Wilson, EJ Manuel AND Landry Jones, that could be the best lineup of qbs EVER at the senior bowl.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everybody on this forum is faster than Matt Schaub.....seriously. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DreDay80 wrote:
Everybody on this forum is faster than Matt Schaub.....seriously. Laughing


Im not Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.sbnation.com/2013-nfl-draft/2013/1/21/3899916/2013-senior-bowl-weigh-in-results

Weigh in results link.


And WTF why are Texas players on the North but Michigan players on the South. That makes ZERO sense.
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lumberjackchris wrote:
http://www.sbnation.com/2013-nfl-draft/2013/1/21/3899916/2013-senior-bowl-weigh-in-results

Weigh in results link.


And WTF why are Texas players on the North but Michigan players on the South. That makes ZERO sense.

Obviously they did it to give the North a chance.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amazingandre wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
Everybody on this forum is faster than Matt Schaub.....seriously. Laughing


Im not Shocked


Not to kick a guy when he is down, BUT... of the STARTING QB's in the league this year, only one had negative yardage (-9)...

The only QB with double digit runs and negative yardage? Yep, that too.

His longest run was for 0 yards... IJS... I'm gonna need you to fall forward for at least 1/2 a yard if you are 6'5" and not trip over your own fee for negative yardage
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amazingandre wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
Everybody on this forum is faster than Matt Schaub.....seriously. :lol:


Im not :shock:


Some of us are faster than half the team :D
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jch1911 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
Everybody on this forum is faster than Matt Schaub.....seriously. Laughing


Im not Shocked


Not to kick a guy when he is down, BUT... of the STARTING QB's in the league this year, only one had negative yardage (-9)...

The only QB with double digit runs and negative yardage? Yep, that too.

His longest run was for 0 yards... IJS... I'm gonna need you to fall forward for at least 1/2 a yard if you are 6'5" and not trip over your own fee for negative yardage


Oh god, here it comes, because some running QBs have some success, now that's what we all have to have. Never mind that Joe Flacco is also in the Super Bowl. Never mind that Michael Vick is a $15 million albatross that was outplayed by a statue in Nick Foles. Wasn't "mobile" Vince Young let go as his backup and passed over by all 32 teams all season? Never mind that Cam Newton has won 13 games in 2 seasons which is less than the 4 immobile QBs of AFC Division winners (Manning, Brady, Schuab, Flacco) won this year alone. What did mobility do for Locker, Tannehill, Tebow, Terrelle Pryor etc this year? Hell, why not just go get Tyrod Taylor, Joe Webb, Zac Robinson, Pat White, Stephen McGee, Dennis Dixon, Troy Smith, or Tavaris Jackson as they can all run and will come cheap, because they SUCK just like the 6th round quality QBs that will get overdrafted this year because they think they'll be getting the next Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson, or Kaepernick. The Dolphins taking Pat White in the 2nd round in 09 makes no more sense today than it did then, but I'm all for teams drafting ahead of us each round thinking it does as it leaves more boring Right Tackles and Nose Tackles for us, not to mention better Qbs. Already preparing histerical laughter when some dumb reactionary team like the Bills or Jets grab Geno Atkins in the top 10 in an absurd overreaction to a trend that ignores the once in a decade talents of Luck/Griffin or other factors that made SF/Seattle great like their defenses, o-lines, and running game.

Personally, I'm not even sold on Wilson or Kaepernick being nearly as effective next year as there are some pretty bright defensive minds in the NFC who are sitting at home right now with an entire offseason scripting up ways to exploit the flaws in their game covered up by their legs. Everyone expected the 2 TE offense to lay waste to the league this year, but it turns out it's really just about Gronk and even Gronk isn't Gronk anymore.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish the coverage from NFLN was longer today. From that limited look, the QBs seemed off with their accuracy with clear over and under throws. Eric Fisher looks to be a top-15 lock as a starting LT from day one. Long (Oregon) looked like a better fit at LG than at RT. Ricky Wagner will probably start at RT and while he looked ok there will be plenty of questions about him being a RT at best keeping his stock to the middle rounds. Poyer and Trufant looked really good at CB. Finally, Kevin Reddick did a fine job filling running lanes on the 11on11.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jch1911 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
Everybody on this forum is faster than Matt Schaub.....seriously. Laughing


Im not Shocked


Not to kick a guy when he is down, BUT... of the STARTING QB's in the league this year, only one had negative yardage (-9)...

The only QB with double digit runs and negative yardage? Yep, that too.

His longest run was for 0 yards... IJS... I'm gonna need you to fall forward for at least 1/2 a yard if you are 6'5" and not trip over your own fee for negative yardage


To further the proof on my theory

Player / 40 time / 3 cone time
Josh Johnson / 4.53 / 7.56
Derek Anderson / 5.03 / 7.67
Matt Schaub / 5.04 / 7.65
Tom Brady / 5.28 / 7.20
Tony Romo / 5.01 / 7.11
Drew Brees / 4.89 / 7.09
TJ Yates / 5.06 / 6.96

Even if you are really athletic, if youre 3 cone (change of direction) is bad, you suck in the pocket. On the flip side, if you are slow as hell but the 3 cone is good, youre good in the pocket.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To help prove Ax2 point, Joe Flacco's 3 cone drill is 6.82 and Nick Foles was 7.14.
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Apollo Stallion wrote:
jch1911 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
Everybody on this forum is faster than Matt Schaub.....seriously. Laughing


Im not Shocked


Not to kick a guy when he is down, BUT... of the STARTING QB's in the league this year, only one had negative yardage (-9)...

The only QB with double digit runs and negative yardage? Yep, that too.

His longest run was for 0 yards... IJS... I'm gonna need you to fall forward for at least 1/2 a yard if you are 6'5" and not trip over your own fee for negative yardage


Oh god, here it comes, because some running QBs have some success, now that's what we all have to have. Never mind that Joe Flacco is also in the Super Bowl. Never mind that Michael Vick is a $15 million albatross that was outplayed by a statue in Nick Foles. Wasn't "mobile" Vince Young let go as his backup and passed over by all 32 teams all season? Never mind that Cam Newton has won 13 games in 2 seasons which is less than the 4 immobile QBs of AFC Division winners (Manning, Brady, Schuab, Flacco) won this year alone. What did mobility do for Locker, Tannehill, Tebow, Terrelle Pryor etc this year? Hell, why not just go get Tyrod Taylor, Joe Webb, Zac Robinson, Pat White, Stephen McGee, Dennis Dixon, Troy Smith, or Tavaris Jackson as they can all run and will come cheap, because they SUCK just like the 6th round quality QBs that will get overdrafted this year because they think they'll be getting the next Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson, or Kaepernick. The Dolphins taking Pat White in the 2nd round in 09 makes no more sense today than it did then, but I'm all for teams drafting ahead of us each round thinking it does as it leaves more boring Right Tackles and Nose Tackles for us, not to mention better Qbs. Already preparing histerical laughter when some dumb reactionary team like the Bills or Jets grab Geno Atkins in the top 10 in an absurd overreaction to a trend that ignores the once in a decade talents of Luck/Griffin or other factors that made SF/Seattle great like their defenses, o-lines, and running game.

Personally, I'm not even sold on Wilson or Kaepernick being nearly as effective next year as there are some pretty bright defensive minds in the NFC who are sitting at home right now with an entire offseason scripting up ways to exploit the flaws in their game covered up by their legs. Everyone expected the 2 TE offense to lay waste to the league this year, but it turns out it's really just about Gronk and even Gronk isn't Gronk anymore.


First, chill out... Laughing

Second, I was referring to the fact that people were talking about Schaub's 40 time. I thought it was telling that his longest run was for 0 yards.

Third, I am quite aware that running QB's are all the rage and that our offense is not built for a running QB.

But even YOU have to admit that it would be nice on one of those play action, roll outs that are our bread & butter, it would be nice to see a QB run for the first down if the pass is not there (not chuck the ball into the sidelines)

That being said.... do you need a hug buddy?? Still love you Apollo Dancing
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apollo Stallion wrote:
jch1911 wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
DreDay80 wrote:
Everybody on this forum is faster than Matt Schaub.....seriously. Laughing


Im not Shocked


Not to kick a guy when he is down, BUT... of the STARTING QB's in the league this year, only one had negative yardage (-9)...

The only QB with double digit runs and negative yardage? Yep, that too.

His longest run was for 0 yards... IJS... I'm gonna need you to fall forward for at least 1/2 a yard if you are 6'5" and not trip over your own fee for negative yardage


Oh god, here it comes, because some running QBs have some success, now that's what we all have to have. Never mind that Joe Flacco is also in the Super Bowl. Never mind that Michael Vick is a $15 million albatross that was outplayed by a statue in Nick Foles. Wasn't "mobile" Vince Young let go as his backup and passed over by all 32 teams all season? Never mind that Cam Newton has won 13 games in 2 seasons which is less than the 4 immobile QBs of AFC Division winners (Manning, Brady, Schuab, Flacco) won this year alone. What did mobility do for Locker, Tannehill, Tebow, Terrelle Pryor etc this year? Hell, why not just go get Tyrod Taylor, Joe Webb, Zac Robinson, Pat White, Stephen McGee, Dennis Dixon, Troy Smith, or Tavaris Jackson as they can all run and will come cheap, because they SUCK just like the 6th round quality QBs that will get overdrafted this year because they think they'll be getting the next Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson, or Kaepernick. The Dolphins taking Pat White in the 2nd round in 09 makes no more sense today than it did then, but I'm all for teams drafting ahead of us each round thinking it does as it leaves more boring Right Tackles and Nose Tackles for us, not to mention better Qbs. Already preparing histerical laughter when some dumb reactionary team like the Bills or Jets grab Geno Atkins in the top 10 in an absurd overreaction to a trend that ignores the once in a decade talents of Luck/Griffin or other factors that made SF/Seattle great like their defenses, o-lines, and running game.

Personally, I'm not even sold on Wilson or Kaepernick being nearly as effective next year as there are some pretty bright defensive minds in the NFC who are sitting at home right now with an entire offseason scripting up ways to exploit the flaws in their game covered up by their legs. Everyone expected the 2 TE offense to lay waste to the league this year, but it turns out it's really just about Gronk and even Gronk isn't Gronk anymore.


For as smart as you are, sometimes I feel you are like Sheldon from Big Bang Theory and you don't understand certain things. No one here is clamoring for RG3 or Tim Tebow or Vince Young or Mike Vick, we're simply asking for a guy who isn't a sloth or a statue in the pocket. Like JCH said, when a qb rolls out and no one is around for a few seconds and no one is open, run the damn ball for a few yards, don't just throw it away. Schaub is losing his pocket awareness and its painfully obvious. Its beginning to look like Carr again, someone gets close and he falls down. Maybe its the injuries playing a role in his mind, but whatever it is, its unacceptable for an already slow qb to just roll over and play dead.

Guys like Brady, Ryan, Peyton, Eli, Joe Flacco, Romo, Cutler, Luck aren't these super star running qbs who run the option, but they can scramble a bit, and get a few yards when a play breaks down. Its not expected to never take a sack, but good lord, sometimes getting positive yards is just expected.

For all the negative you bring down on AJ, Quin, Jackson and others, you sure seem to elude the criticism for Matt and never seem to point out his flaws. The least you could do is be consistent in your pessimistic view of the team.
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