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mcmurtry86


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This team CAN do better next season. But that means addressing all the issues that keep popping up - pass rush, receivers, getting a good corner, poor play calling in important games - and why can we EXPECT those things to change?
Well it doesn't help that the Pats were without their best pass rusher, their best "receiver," and their best corner.


Injuries happen. Most Super Bowl winning teams lose numerous starters and key pieces along the way.

Not saying they don't have an effect and can cause a loss like this, but it's very tough to hoist a Lombardi and not have a number of starters out.
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That can all be true, and do you still think the casual fan wants to see Baltimore? I mean, do you enjoy watching the style they play? I find it hard to believe anyone but their fans could enjoy such aesthetically displeasing football. The only thing worse than this would have been if Atlanta had stolen that game at the end. Then we would have had two garbage teams competing for a trophy neither deserves. I'm pulling real, real hard for San Francisco, they'll be a deserving champion.
I think you vastly underestimate how much people hate the Patriots.
I'm not talking about whether they'd rather see Baltimore make the Super Bowl versus the Patriots. Take the Patriots completely out of it. Do you think the average fan wants to see Baltimore play on that stage, based on their own merits and how aesthetically pleasing their style of play is? I don't.
The average fan probably doesn't want to see us back in it. The average fan loves Ray Lewis, and the average fan eats up this brother vs brother nonsense. I'm sure ratings for the Super Bowl will be through the roof.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are the trolls?
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Where are the trolls?
Probably in NFL General, which I will avoid for the next 7 months.
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This offseason has to be about the Welker decision and (once again) improving that DL.

What decision? He's Terrell Owens-level unreliable at this point. For all his positives, he just can't be counted on to make important catches because of how suspect his hands are. Let him walk, spend the cap space on defense.


For you and me, it's an easy decision.

I don't think it's going to be that easy for Belichick. Especially with how fussy Brady is with his WR's.

To be honest, I think Belichick would come to the same "easy decision" conclusion as you and I if it weren't for the lack of other realistic options and I expect Brady to have some sway.

I think they franchise tag him and force him to come back on the tag or a short deal. If they give him a multi-year contract, I'll be furious.

Brady can be as fussy as he likes; I don't care if he doesn't like it, and I don't care if the offense takes a hit, if it means bolstering the defense significantly. That will go further towards making this team succeed in the postseason, versus maintaining a powerful but unreliable offense. Do they really need to score 35 points a game? I'll take the downgrade to Edelman if they can drop their points against by 3+ points a game, and come up with key stops against quality opponents.
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Why did it take so long to incorporate Vereen into the passing game tonight? He was a non-factor until the 4th quarter.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
This offseason has to be about the Welker decision and (once again) improving that DL.

What decision? He's Terrell Owens-level unreliable at this point. For all his positives, he just can't be counted on to make important catches because of how suspect his hands are. Let him walk, spend the cap space on defense.


For you and me, it's an easy decision.

I don't think it's going to be that easy for Belichick. Especially with how fussy Brady is with his WR's.

To be honest, I think Belichick would come to the same "easy decision" conclusion as you and I if it weren't for the lack of other realistic options and I expect Brady to have some sway.

I think they franchise tag him and force him to come back on the tag or a short deal. If they give him a multi-year contract, I'll be furious.

Brady can be as fussy as he likes; I don't care if he doesn't like it, and I don't care if the offense takes a hit, if it means bolstering the defense significantly. That will go further towards making this team succeed in the postseason, versus maintaining a powerful but unreliable offense. Do they really need to score 35 points a game? I'll take the downgrade to Edelman if they can drop their points against by 3+ points a game, and come up with key stops against quality opponents.


Should probably take it to the off-season thread but I'm curious as to where the defensive upgrade comes from realistically. I know people fawn over Melton but that seems like a pipe dream. Other than that, I don't see much out there that seems like an obvious allocation of Welker's money.
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samgurl775 wrote:
Richter wrote:
samgurl775 wrote:
Richter wrote:
That can all be true, and do you still think the casual fan wants to see Baltimore? I mean, do you enjoy watching the style they play? I find it hard to believe anyone but their fans could enjoy such aesthetically displeasing football. The only thing worse than this would have been if Atlanta had stolen that game at the end. Then we would have had two garbage teams competing for a trophy neither deserves. I'm pulling real, real hard for San Francisco, they'll be a deserving champion.
I think you vastly underestimate how much people hate the Patriots.
I'm not talking about whether they'd rather see Baltimore make the Super Bowl versus the Patriots. Take the Patriots completely out of it. Do you think the average fan wants to see Baltimore play on that stage, based on their own merits and how aesthetically pleasing their style of play is? I don't.
The average fan probably doesn't want to see us back in it. The average fan loves Ray Lewis, and the average fan eats up this brother vs brother nonsense. I'm sure ratings for the Super Bowl will be through the roof.

Again, I'm not talking about the storyline stuff, or the rooting interests. Based on how they play football, and how badly the 49ers should dominate them, do you think people are really going to be pleased seeing the Ravens there? I just can't see it. Maybe they lap up the storyline stuff, but when it comes time for the game to be played, I expect the watercooler talk to be about how the game sucked.
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Also, the Ravens going to the Super Bowl is making the NFL jump the shark so hard, it'll be saying "ayyy!" for months.


Why? They've played very well this post-season.

Because the league is so watered down now, every year some garbage team gets hot around playoff time and gets to the Superbowl, killing the actual interesting matchups. Take the Pats out of the equation, does anyone really want to see the Harbaugh bowl? The rules changes, the epidemic of free agency and the small sample size of the post-season all add up to a big bunch of blah. I long for the days of powerhouse teams crushing upstarts in the postseason.


^^ is this guy serious?? Mad the underdog won? It's football Bro most people cheer for underdogs
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Tzimisce wrote:
Why did it take so long to incorporate Vereen into the passing game tonight? He was a non-factor until the 4th quarter.


McDaniels is an idiot?

The offense looks brilliant when the RB's (including Woodhead) get involved heavily. It sputters most often when Brady/McDaniels fixate on the WR's.
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Why did it take so long to incorporate Vereen into the passing game tonight? He was a non-factor until the 4th quarter.

Josh McDaniels is a fool, plain and simple. He abandons the run at the first opportunity, no matter how effective it is.
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mddeckie wrote:
Richter wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Richter wrote:
Also, the Ravens going to the Super Bowl is making the NFL jump the shark so hard, it'll be saying "ayyy!" for months.


Why? They've played very well this post-season.

Because the league is so watered down now, every year some garbage team gets hot around playoff time and gets to the Superbowl, killing the actual interesting matchups. Take the Pats out of the equation, does anyone really want to see the Harbaugh bowl? The rules changes, the epidemic of free agency and the small sample size of the post-season all add up to a big bunch of blah. I long for the days of powerhouse teams crushing upstarts in the postseason.


^^ is this guy serious?? Mad the underdog won? It's football Bro most people cheer for underdogs

Most people are stupid, what's your point? I'd rather watch actual greatness, not watered down garbage like your team. Have fun watching them lose in the Super Bowl, I can tell you from personal experience that it isn't so bad.
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Richter wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Richter wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
This offseason has to be about the Welker decision and (once again) improving that DL.

What decision? He's Terrell Owens-level unreliable at this point. For all his positives, he just can't be counted on to make important catches because of how suspect his hands are. Let him walk, spend the cap space on defense.


For you and me, it's an easy decision.

I don't think it's going to be that easy for Belichick. Especially with how fussy Brady is with his WR's.

To be honest, I think Belichick would come to the same "easy decision" conclusion as you and I if it weren't for the lack of other realistic options and I expect Brady to have some sway.

I think they franchise tag him and force him to come back on the tag or a short deal. If they give him a multi-year contract, I'll be furious.

Brady can be as fussy as he likes; I don't care if he doesn't like it, and I don't care if the offense takes a hit, if it means bolstering the defense significantly. That will go further towards making this team succeed in the postseason, versus maintaining a powerful but unreliable offense. Do they really need to score 35 points a game? I'll take the downgrade to Edelman if they can drop their points against by 3+ points a game, and come up with key stops against quality opponents.


I have to agree. Welker has been one of my favorite players but I think its time to let him go. If he would come back cheap take him but otherwise let him walk.
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Richter wrote:
mddeckie wrote:
Richter wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Richter wrote:
Also, the Ravens going to the Super Bowl is making the NFL jump the shark so hard, it'll be saying "ayyy!" for months.


Why? They've played very well this post-season.

Because the league is so watered down now, every year some garbage team gets hot around playoff time and gets to the Superbowl, killing the actual interesting matchups. Take the Pats out of the equation, does anyone really want to see the Harbaugh bowl? The rules changes, the epidemic of free agency and the small sample size of the post-season all add up to a big bunch of blah. I long for the days of powerhouse teams crushing upstarts in the postseason.


^^ is this guy serious?? Mad the underdog won? It's football Bro most people cheer for underdogs

Most people are stupid, what's your point? I'd rather watch actual greatness, not watered down garbage like your team. Have fun watching them lose in the Super Bowl, I can tell you from personal experience that it isn't so bad.


The salt is strong with this one.. Whatever you say dude I hope San Fran puts up a Billboard like Boston did. Have a great rest of the night. I know I will
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
Injuries happen. Most Super Bowl winning teams lose numerous starters and key pieces along the way.

Not saying they don't have an effect and can cause a loss like this, but it's very tough to hoist a Lombardi and not have a number of starters out.
Yeah, I know. Just frustrating for those injuries to hit the Pats in the three areas (and in 2/3 cases, the three players) that the Pats brought in to fix their problems.
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